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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: That's the JLD character, Madame Consuela Von Bananahammock or whatever she's called.
Yeah, basically their version of Discount Nick Fury for gathering a team, the same one who approached John Walker to become US Agent at the very end of Falcon and Winter Soldier.
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AduroT wrote: I honestly can’t recognize her in that photo, even now knowing who it is.
And David Harbour's pic...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Ahtman wrote: Is the one between Ghost and Nu-Black Widow Red Guardian?
Yes.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Can't say I'm thrilled by the Thunderbolt lineup. Nice to see Ghost back, but Yelena, Red Guardian and Taskmaster? How many reminders of that God-awful Black Widow film do we need? I wonder if Red Guardian will just be useless all film like he was in BW? And what they did with Taskmaster in that film was criminal; the MCU equivalent of what they did to Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Why would we ever want more of that version of the character?
Secret Invasion looks intense, but could just as well be another set of six sub-30 minute episodes that laboriously string together 3 acts worth of of plot in a way that ends mid-scene in most episodes to create artificial "cliffhangers" like a lot of the D+ series. Still, more Sam Jackson, and more Don Cheadle, so that's good.
And on the subject of Don Cheadle, good to see them reconfirming that Armor Wars is a thing. Sweet new logo.
All said though, this was a piss-weak presentation. Last D23 was announcement after announcement after announcement. This time it was "Here's a bunch of stuff you already know about, plus a couple of small things.".
Given the bombs a lot of us were expecting, this is pretty tame overall. I mean, F4 cast was a sure thing... until it wasn't. :(
Yeah, overall this was not the big follow-up to Comic-Con that a lot of people were expecting. But hey, the Leader's coming back, so yay!
Of course, Twitter is going into meltdown because Marvel has the temerity to include an Israeli super-hero in the new Cap film.
Well, since it seems that they're going with established characters in the MCU, who else could they use that's already appeared in a film or television show?
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
This Taskmaster exists and shes going to get some screen time and be fleshed out. Its going to be cool seeing her free from the Red Rooms control doing her own merc thing.
Thunderbolts makes perfect sense for her.
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Yeah I’m really surprised Abomination isn’t on the team, especially with his recent She Hulk appearance.
Taskmaster was definitely the worst part of a Black Widow, a serious character assassination. Hopefully without the mind control they’re less silent drone? It’s not really Red Guardians fault he was made a fool, they had him fight a girl and dudes aren’t generally allowed to win fights vs girls in the MCU.
That and Red Guardian hadn’t been on active duty in a long, long time. Super Soldier or not, you’re gonna get Ring Rust.
This time around? We can reasonably infer from the group shot he’ll have at least sparred with Task Master, letting him dust off and polish up his skills.
Plus with US Agent and Bucky, I reckon we can look forward to more claim he beat up Captain America, and thanks to Falcon Soldier, we’ll likely find out exactly which Cap.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
I’m guessing it’s not our Skrull friends we know, but rather a separate faction of them invading. Definitely Skrull related though given you see one in the trailer, and we hear the voice of our friend one talking to Fury. Although given the MCU’s history with trailer manipulations and the like, I wouldn’t put it past them to have it be a different invading force be revealed in the third, maybe forth episode after the let us assume it was the Skrulls for the first act.
I’m more than ok with Taskmaster and Red Guardian. Ghost however was a complete waste of writing and screen time. I was disappointed that the character was still alive at the end of AatW.
I read quite a few of the ‘70’s Marvel horror comics (or at least the British reprints) so I’m glad to see them return in some form. (J. Jonah Jaimson’s so is a werewolf I seem to remember).
AduroT wrote: Yeah I’m really surprised Abomination isn’t on the team, especially with his recent She Hulk appearance.
Which is most likely why he's not on the team as it seems that (with the exception of Bucky) they're going for those who haven't been in a Disney+ show as of yet.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Utterly baseless speculation, but given Thunderbolts follows very shortly after Cap 4, I wonder if there's a mini End Game/Infinity War in the offing, where Sam will end New World Order in some sort of dire straits, and the reason Bucky is there is because he's leading the team in a near certain suicide mission to rescue his friend and the symbol that is Capt America?
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
AduroT wrote: Ylena was in Hawkeye, both Bucky and USAgent were in Winterfalcon. Boss lady had a cameo in both. Thats over half the team.
I guess I should have more appropriately said that they're using characters that have not been featured in multiple Marvel projects (wasn't Yelena's role in Hawkeye just a cameo basically?).
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
No, she was in multiple episodes and her developing relationship with Kate was an important element to create the new Widow/Hawkeye dynamic.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
AduroT wrote: Had another glaring omission pointed out, Zemo.
Yeah, that was the big one for me. Shocked he's not on the team.
Abomination I'm so so on. He probably would be interesting there, but it depends on what they're up against. Being able to transform at will would definitely make him more fun in the role, but we'll see.
It's definitely looking most like Black Widow 2. I liked Black Widow more than I thought I would, though Taskmaster was a huge letdown as was Ghost. Yelena stole the show, so seeing her and Bucky front and center gives this promise. Red Guardian was fun and memey and why he's on the other flank, but that's the spot I feel Zemo would have fit best. Overall, I'm not unhappy about it, but it's likely to be enjoyable but forgettable.
AduroT wrote: I’m guessing it’s not our Skrull friends we know, but rather a separate faction of them invading. Definitely Skrull related though given you see one in the trailer, and we hear the voice of our friend one talking to Fury.
Given Talos had a relative prominence in the trailer, my theory is that the opposing force of skrulls is led by his daughter, who might be taking the place of the Skrull Queen from the comics.
If I remember right she was... Significantly less chill than him in Captain Marvel.
Thunderbolts seem a bit rubbish no? Like the lineup is spy x2, supersoldier x3, weird cyborg thing, and one member with any sort of variant superpower. Even the original lineup still had a majority of villains with a variety of abilities and skills but this lot is just meh.
