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 Kanluwen wrote:
That assumes the Sisters of Sigmar are a thing in Age of Sigmar.

We haven't seen mention of them yet(at least I have not seen any), but there's been mention of Battlemages and the like.

There has been a nice variety of priests of Sigmar in the novels and lore - so may well be something similar here - an offshoot of the sect or she might be a Excelsior Warpriest?

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Excelsior_Warpriest

I think my favourite priestess is https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nyoka_Su%27al%27gohl

Sure, but wasn't the whole reason for the Sisters of Sigmar because the priesthood was males only?

GW's been fairly good about getting rid of that within AoS.

The AoS models are giants relative to their older Fantasy cousins. Any guesses on whether this will be normal scale, or the new "40mm" scale that seems popular for AoS figures?

 pancakeonions wrote:
The AoS models are giants relative to their older Fantasy cousins. Any guesses on whether this will be normal scale, or the new "40mm" scale that seems popular for AoS figures?

I'm going to guess it will be the new bigger scale.

 pancakeonions wrote:
The AoS models are giants relative to their older Fantasy cousins. Any guesses on whether this will be normal scale, or the new "40mm" scale that seems popular for AoS figures?

It's going to be in scale with all other AoS figures surely? Like, why would it be in scale with models they made 15 years ago instead?

They still make 40k humans in that scale. Others have said the Sigmarines and the Chaos warriors are "uber humans" are supposed to be 8 feet tall. The skeletons in Underworlds are still "normal" (by which i mean 15 years ago standard, which everyone else more or less sticks to). Aren't some of the new releases also normal? Like the blind, underwater elves? Weren't those guys 30mm?

The big weird thing to me was making the Underworlds skeleton faction "normal" sized, after producing a bunch of newer models that were really tall and bulky.

So, I reckon we just don't know? Does anyone who has their new "cow elves" know if they're much taller than their 10+ year old elves?

 pancakeonions wrote:
The AoS models are giants relative to their older Fantasy cousins. Any guesses on whether this will be normal scale, or the new "40mm" scale that seems popular for AoS figures?

I a not sure where you got the 40mm from. If old Warhammer was roughly 28mm, AoS is 32mm at most. Golden posterboys may be superhumans on 40mm bases but rest of the range is quite reasonable.

If we are basing 40mm on just Stormcast and Chaos Warriors.
I wouldn’t say that’s a new scale. Just some things being bigger?

 pancakeonions wrote:
They still make 40k humans in that scale. Others have said the Sigmarines and the Chaos warriors are "uber humans" are supposed to be 8 feet tall. The skeletons in Underworlds are still "normal" (by which i mean 15 years ago standard, which everyone else more or less sticks to). Aren't some of the new releases also normal? Like the blind, underwater elves? Weren't those guys 30mm?

The big weird thing to me was making the Underworlds skeleton faction "normal" sized, after producing a bunch of newer models that were really tall and bulky.

So, I reckon we just don't know? Does anyone who has their new "cow elves" know if they're much taller than their 10+ year old elves?

The 40k humans you consider normal sized are scaled the same (though better proportioned) as the redone plastic Cadians from twenty years ago that replaced the actual 28mm Cadians and are more like 32mm in size (and as tall as a Space Marine for the better part of those twenty years). That's the scale you are going to see with any human sized models from GW these days. If it's a human or elf, rather than a super soldier, mutant or empowered champion of a god, it's going to be 32mm tall, give or take. GW is pretty consistent in that.

I can't tell you about the AoS proper kits for the elves, but the ones from Diechasm are what you call normal sized. The archer, who stands upright and is easily measured, is the same 32mm as any other normal human or elf. The Slaaneshi spearwoman and archer, for that matter, are the same size as well. The Slaaneshi leader is taller by less than a head once you account for his high heels and helmet crest.

I don't know where you got this 40mm scale idea, but aside from slight variations any model from GW since the plastic Cadians* has been within the boundaries of what is described as 32mm scale. Models from the last twenty years have been reasonably consistent with each other (reasonably since GW doesn't do scale very well but at least broadly manages consistency), whereas mixing those models with ones from the Nineties is where you see actual scale difference.

As such you can be pretty sure that the new Warhammer Quest models will be normal sized by any definition of the term, and not some unprecedented scale that does not fit with the rest of GW's contemporary models.


* Edit: Going to add a small caveat that I'm describing the 40k progression for the most part since I only partially paid attention to Fantasy in the way back when. I can imagine that the newer Empire soldiers were kept backwards compatible in the same way as Space Marines until the short transitional period prior to the release of Primaris. The general point remains.

Yeah, current GW has 'normal' mortals as 32-35mm tall and all kinds of superhuman champions at ~40mm tall. Warcry is a good example, too. The warbands might have a bunch of 'normal' humans, and a couple of taller champions on larger bases. It does feel pretty jarring in comparison to early nineties minis though, my old metal Harlequins don't even reach the shoulders of the plastic Ynnari heroes :p

Normal 'mortals' start on 25mm bases, still. It's just that newer releases like Lumineth have 32mm bases instead as they also have scenic elements and wider poses.

Also: it's the heroes starting on 32mm bases for the 'mortals'. Would not be shocked to see the 28mm base get introduced from WarCry.

Warcry morals are on 28mm bases now, aren't they? In the last releases, I think only gobbos and obr had 25mm basic infantry bases? Idoneth infantry,Lumineth, even for Kharadron it's only the arkanauts that are on 25mm, the rest of units are on 32mms.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That assumes the Sisters of Sigmar are a thing in Age of Sigmar.

We haven't seen mention of them yet(at least I have not seen any), but there's been mention of Battlemages and the like.

There has been a nice variety of priests of Sigmar in the novels and lore - so may well be something similar here - an offshoot of the sect or she might be a Excelsior Warpriest?

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Excelsior_Warpriest

I think my favourite priestess is https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nyoka_Su%27al%27gohl

There are also two other Women Warrior Priests of Sigmar. One in the “Red Hours” and another with a main character role in “Gloomspite”.

Cronch wrote:
Warcry morals are on 28mm bases now, aren't they? In the last releases, I think only gobbos and obr had 25mm basic infantry bases? Idoneth infantry,Lumineth, even for Kharadron it's only the arkanauts that are on 25mm, the rest of units are on 32mms.

It depends on the warband. If it's one of the actual warbands? There's mixed base sizes throughout.

Most have the 'basic' guys on 25mm, the 'midtier' on 28, and the 'big boss' on 32mm with a 'bruiser' on a 40mm.

Cataphract wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That assumes the Sisters of Sigmar are a thing in Age of Sigmar.

We haven't seen mention of them yet(at least I have not seen any), but there's been mention of Battlemages and the like.

There has been a nice variety of priests of Sigmar in the novels and lore - so may well be something similar here - an offshoot of the sect or she might be a Excelsior Warpriest?

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Excelsior_Warpriest

I think my favourite priestess is https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nyoka_Su%27al%27gohl

There are also two other Women Warrior Priests of Sigmar. One in the “Red Hours” and another with a main character role in “Gloomspite”.

There are quiet a few in AOS lore - they even appeared quite early with a female war shaman of Sigmar in the Realmgate Wars novels: https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Alzheer_Nahazim

It was never stated that to be a Priest of Sigmar you had to be male - or at least not to my knowledge - early on most depicitons and lore were medieval / rennasiance influenced so mostly male but female priests (and High Priests/priestesses) of other gods were def shown.

The Sisters of Sigmar were a specific order that happened to be only female and their remain others such as the https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Maids_of_Sigmar

Glad to hear my dramatic cries of "o woes me, 40mm disaster" are largely unfounded. When AoS came out, it seemed the Stormcast Eternals, Chaos Warriors, and Orcs were all absolutely enormous, and looked like ogres (I still have a few really nice Chaos Warriors that indeed double as ogres!) and nothing like their lore (humanoid sized models) should indicate. I even bought Silver Tower, and all the humanoids looked terribl(y large) and I sold them to replace 'em with older or different models.

But then the tiny (read: normal sized humanoid) faction came out for Underworld a few years ago, and I was all confused!

Then I got distracted by the next shiny thing, and haven't given it much more thought until this announcement.

Thanks for clearing this up (as best we know, anyway!)

How often can we expect news about this? My group of friends is getting into board games and I might be able to swindle them into paying part of this so I can play with the miniatures.

Assuming every major character gets an individual reveal, that's 11 weeks worth of previews.

So unless GW teased a Halloween release in January, I'd say a news drop a week is a reasonable expectation.

 Mr Morden wrote:
It was never stated that to be a Priest of Sigmar you had to be male - or at least not to my knowledge - early on most depicitons and lore were medieval / rennasiance influenced so mostly male but female priests (and High Priests/priestesses) of other gods were def shown.

In the really old WHFB fluff, including in Mordheim, the Sigmarite priesthood was not only exclusively male, but also quite explicitly misogynistic. The original reason given for the start of the civil war that precipitated the period of anarchy in which the Mordheim game was set was that the Grand Theogonist had refused to crown the elector counts' choice of emperor specifically because they had chosen a woman (Magritta of Marienburg). This was later retconned to him refusing to crown her because she was an infant, but GW never actually added in any canonical female emperors (despite there definitely being female elector counts from time to time), which suggests at least some strong cultural aversion to the idea.

IIRC, one of the reasons given for the witch-hunters hating the Sisters in Mordheim was that they were women who considered themselves to be as worthy to serve Sigmar as men.

All this is gone as of AoS, of course. The current Grand Theogonist in AoS is a woman (as, coincidentally, is the new Ecclesiarch in 40K post Guilliman's reforms).

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Assuming every major character gets an individual reveal, that's 11 weeks worth of previews.

So unless GW teased a Halloween release in January, I'd say a news drop a week is a reasonable expectation.

That would make sense, too, with the Underworlds roadmap article on upcoming gangs.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-us/latest-news-features/

You’ll notice things are slated to be back on track in May, with two warbands released in one month.

11 weeks or so makes for an April/early May release, where they currently feel like they'll be 'back on track.' And coincide roughly with the Crimson Court.

 Duskweaver wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
It was never stated that to be a Priest of Sigmar you had to be male - or at least not to my knowledge - early on most depicitons and lore were medieval / rennasiance influenced so mostly male but female priests (and High Priests/priestesses) of other gods were def shown.

In the really old WHFB fluff, including in Mordheim, the Sigmarite priesthood was not only exclusively male, but also quite explicitly misogynistic. The original reason given for the start of the civil war that precipitated the period of anarchy in which the Mordheim game was set was that the Grand Theogonist had refused to crown the elector counts' choice of emperor specifically because they had chosen a woman (Magritta of Marienburg). This was later retconned to him refusing to crown her because she was an infant, but GW never actually added in any canonical female emperors (despite there definitely being female elector counts from time to time), which suggests at least some strong cultural aversion to the idea.

IIRC, one of the reasons given for the witch-hunters hating the Sisters in Mordheim was that they were women who considered themselves to be as worthy to serve Sigmar as men.

All this is gone as of AoS, of course. The current Grand Theogonist in AoS is a woman (as, coincidentally, is the new Ecclesiarch in 40K post Guilliman's reforms).

Ottilia I was a canonical Empress in WFB 4th Ed (if a breakaway one) who formed her own dynasty in Talaebehim in 1360 and was backed by Ar Ulric himself.
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ottilia_I

Apparently there is also Bloody Beatrice the Monumentally Cruel but only her name is known.

I don't recall anything specific about the priesthood (going back through stuff now and it seems the SoS were unique) - there is a specific hardline element that refuses to elect a female Emperor (possibly as Ottilia I was favoured by Ulric's Church) - The Sisters of Sigmar were (before the destructon of Mordheim) a powerful and respected order but also with powerful enemies within the Church

As you say the Mortal Realms are very different in some ways - althought the the internal politics in the Church seems just to be as bad if not worse and I like they are exploring this now and again - and politics might be why we have someone thrown out of the Order of Azyr.

and politics might be why we have someone thrown out of the Order of Azyr.

Given that the char's quote was something like "mean like <his name>" I think it's more likely he was a bit too 40k in his approach to handling stuff.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Assuming every major character gets an individual reveal, that's 11 weeks worth of previews.

So unless GW teased a Halloween release in January, I'd say a news drop a week is a reasonable expectation.

Reckon they’ll ramp it up in a week or two - certainly in the run up to pre-orders.

When are we thinking WQ: CC is being released? Has there been any comment on that so far? I was assuming it would be summertime like War Cry was.

I suspect sooner rather than later.

Perhaps Feb or March.

Crispy78 wrote:
When are we thinking WQ: CC is being released? Has there been any comment on that so far? I was assuming it would be summertime like War Cry was.

Towards the end of the stream Adam Troke said that everything shown should be out within three months.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I suspect sooner rather than later.

Perhaps Feb or March.

I don’t think Feb, as there’s only 2 preorder dates in feb and Slaanesh and DoK are coming for AoS already.

I would hope March but am expecting it to go up for pre-orders at end of March / start April with an early April release.

No rush as far as I'm concerned, it could come out in May and I'd still have to time to fully paint it before lockdown ends.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
No rush as far as I'm concerned, it could come out in May and I'd still have to time to fully paint it before lockdown ends.

And all the expansions that come out every 3 months or so probably