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 Mr Morden wrote:
Ottilia I was a canonical Empress in WFB 4th Ed (if a breakaway one) who formed her own dynasty in Talaebehim in 1360 and was backed by Ar Ulric himself.

I should have been more precise in my wording. GW never added a female emperor to the canonical list of "properly chosen by the elector counts, crowned by the Sigmarite church and universally accepted as the legitimate emperor" emperors. Ottilia wasn't elected and had to be crowned by the Ar-Ulric because the Sigmarite church refused to recognise her (though admittedly it wasn't explicitly stated her gender had anything to do with that - unlike with Magritta). Later Imperial history never regarded her as anything other than a pretender.

Apparently there is also Bloody Beatrice the Monumentally Cruel but only her name is known.

Who is mentioned once in a throwaway line in a novel of dubious canonicity, IIRC. She never appeared in any list of emperors in any Empire army book or similar GW publication.

"The Sisters of Sigmar, ancient enemies of the Order of Templars whose fanatical creed denies the divinity of women in Sigmar’s temple" ... "Many of Sigmar’s priests wish to disband the order altogether, claiming that women have no right to teach the holy word of Sigmar."

So, yeah. The Church of Sigmar was explicitly misogynist in older fluff.

 Duskweaver wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Ottilia I was a canonical Empress in WFB 4th Ed (if a breakaway one) who formed her own dynasty in Talaebehim in 1360 and was backed by Ar Ulric himself.

I should have been more precise in my wording. GW never added a female emperor to the canonical list of "properly chosen by the elector counts, crowned by the Sigmarite church and universally accepted as the legitimate emperor" emperors. Ottilia wasn't elected and had to be crowned by the Ar-Ulric because the Sigmarite church refused to recognise her (though admittedly it wasn't explicitly stated her gender had anything to do with that - unlike with Magritta). Later Imperial history never regarded her as anything other than a pretender.

Apparently there is also Bloody Beatrice the Monumentally Cruel but only her name is known.

Who is mentioned once in a throwaway line in a novel of dubious canonicity, IIRC. She never appeared in any list of emperors in any Empire army book or similar GW publication.

"The Sisters of Sigmar, ancient enemies of the Order of Templars whose fanatical creed denies the divinity of women in Sigmar’s temple" ... "Many of Sigmar’s priests wish to disband the order altogether, claiming that women have no right to teach the holy word of Sigmar."

So, yeah. The Church of Sigmar was explicitly misogynist in older fluff.

I am not sure it was quite that simple - Some of the Church was def but up until the destruction of Mordheim the SoS were a well regarded part of the Church of Sigmar - drop me a PM if you want to chat about it further as likely we will drag the thread way of course!

No pre-orders next week. But we’re promised a “deep dive” into the villains of Cursed City next week.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No pre-orders next week. But we’re promised a “deep dive” into the villains of Cursed City next week.

Into ‘some of’ the villains, just to temper expectations a bit.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No pre-orders next week. But we’re promised a “deep dive” into the villains of Cursed City next week.

"some of the villains" probably just an article on Gorslav like Darrock got hopefully more but they might drip feed little bits until the next reveal show which may be around February 20th - New York Toy Fair

I’ll settle for some or all, just not none

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll settle for some or all, just not none

A little is always better then none at all. This new pace by GW to basically have something new every week during the Pandemic has been great! I love it!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No pre-orders next week. But we’re promised a “deep dive” into the villains of Cursed City next week.

The line about "taking a look at some of the upcoming Warhammer board games for 2021" got my interest. Especially as it was after the bits about WHQ and Underworlds.

I'm guessing it will either be the skeleton (who was teased in the New Year video and also has silhouette on the website) or the zomb-pirate guy from the same video.

But I'll be just as happy if they show off some of the goons, like flaming halberd skeleton or parkour vampire

Quite like the picture with the ultramarine feeling left out.

Be interesting to see what Cursed City's baddies are going to look like. The Black Legion cronies felt a little out of place in BSF so I'm hoping they stick mostly to Vamps'n'Wolves for this setting.

SamusDrake wrote:
Quite like the picture with the ultramarine feeling left out.

"Firstborn only! No primaris allowed!"

 GaroRobe wrote:


"Firstborn only! No primaris allowed!"

Omg yes!

New pretty things shown off.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/04/your-first-look-at-warhammer-quest-cursed-citys-skeletal-ulfenwatch/

Oh yeah, they're fantastic. That's me sold.

These are some nice skellies! Also interesting that they're keeping the Deathrattle faction keyword in the article, so maybe they're not being just folded into a new Vampire faction? Ah, and the tactical debris halberd guy is standing on is quite similar to the rumour engine with the paw, so I guess this really belongs to parcours vampire or some other Cursed City champ

Oh, and key raven, too

Great skellies. I just hope there's more than 3 of them in the box.

They look fantastic, I think I might be finally finding a reason to buy AOS-related stuff.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Great skellies. I just hope there's more than 3 of them in the box.

I hope so too. The first is the named character, so obviously just the one of him, but the caption beneath the generic two is troubling.

"While an individual skeleton warrior shouldn’t cause your party much trouble, they will be inspired to fight even harder by their banner bearer, so make sure that you try to take him out first."

Probably not great to comb through the text so literally, but it doesn't sound like they utilize numbers so much as a few individuals get buffed by the banner. Likely to be wrong though, and I really want that to be the case, because they're such gorgeous sculpts

The silhouette of unrevealed characters on the website is definitely a skeleton.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

I hope so too. The first is the named character, so obviously just the one of him, but the caption beneath the generic two is troubling.

"While an individual skeleton warrior shouldn’t cause your party much trouble, they will be inspired to fight even harder by their banner bearer, so make sure that you try to take him out first."

Probably not great to comb through the text so literally, but it doesn't sound like they utilize numbers so much as a few individuals get buffed by the banner. Likely to be wrong though, and I really want that to be the case, because they're such gorgeous sculpts

The map has this to say:

Vharngate wrote:The skeletal legions of the Ulfenwatch fight out of this stronghold.

I'm expecting at least ten, if not twenty of the dang things. It will depend on how heavily packed the sprues are though.

Another interesting note from the map on the Cursed City website: it wasn't Gorslav the Gravekeeper alone who raised the Deathrattle. Sounds like he has a coterie of Necromancers at his command!

I notice the character skeleton is shown as he was in life on the Quest website:

 Insane Ivan wrote:
I notice the character skeleton is shown as he was in life on the Quest website:

So the 2 other people depicted in the middle should be the 2 missing mini-bosses (pre corruption).

With there obviously being 5 undead factions in the box I really don't see any of them getting 20 mooks

I'm gonna guess Parkour vampire will be depicted on a piece of terrain, to match his pose in the video, the angle of his sword in the rumor engine, and if they mimic the arch-regent, it shouldn't be too large or impractical.

As for the wizard man, we saw his skeleton cat in one of the promo art photos, so maybe his schtick will be undead animals?

Also, the skeletons look really good. On par with Wh:U's Selpuchral Guard, if not better. The Underworlds team might be a good way to add some more skeletons to the game (though they lack the proper shields and coin-mail.)

I know we won't get 2 skeleton warriors... Assuming I'm not misremembering that this box contains around as many figs as BSF I greatly doubt we'll get 20... But 8 to 10, that we could get.

I think I know now I'll be getting this, time to start throwing a couple of quid a week aside in preparation

 lord_blackfang wrote:
With there obviously being 5 undead factions in the box I really don't see any of them getting 20 mooks

This seems realistic. 6 or 8 plus captain and banner bearer may be a suitable number. Possibly with the generic skeletons having duplicated sculpts.

Got to consider also that skeletons are not the lowest rank of undead. If the box had 20 skeletons, it would require even more zombies. We'd easily be outside the range of fiftyish models for a Warhammer Quest box without any other adversaries.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm gonna guess Parkour vampire will be depicted on a piece of terrain, to match his pose in the video, the angle of his sword in the rumor engine, and if they mimic the arch-regent, it shouldn't be too large or impractical.

Random thought right now is that the 'Parkour Vampire' is one of a set of twins. There's a female Vampire shown in a similar garb in the intro video for Cursed City, standing near the Lord of Ulfenkarn.

As for the wizard man, we saw his skeleton cat in one of the promo art photos, so maybe his schtick will be undead animals?

Would make sense. If you look at the art on the Cursed City website, he's surrounded by bats and ravens/crows, plus his cat.

Also, the skeletons look really good. On par with Wh:U's Selpuchral Guard, if not better. The Underworlds team might be a good way to add some more skeletons to the game (though they lack the proper shields and coin-mail.)

I'm genuinely thinking that if these skeletons are going to show up 'in the main' for Age of Sigmar? It's as a new unit type.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
With there obviously being 5 undead factions in the box I really don't see any of them getting 20 mooks

I think it's fair to say at this point there's four 'factions', not necessarily five.
There's four 'overlords' surrounding the map on the Cursed City website, with the Lord of Ulfenkarn likely being the fifth Overlord.
Gorslav the Gravekeeper was teased alongside his 'zombies'.
Halgrim was teased today alongside his skeletal Ulfenwatch.

Assuming it continues this trend?
The 'wizard' character will get shown off with the bats and the ravens/crows, I'd guess.
The vampire guy will be shown off with what I think is his twin.

If the Vampire has a twin, maybe it'll be like the skaven deathrunner from Silver Tower? Two things running in tandem. Maybe you have to kill both, or they'll keep coming back or something.

What's worth noting is that we have a silhouette of a "boss" on their website, but it doesn't match the remaining two guys in the art. Plus, we have the big zombie dude with an axe, and I don't think he's the "big boss"

 Kanluwen wrote:

I think it's fair to say at this point there's four 'factions', not necessarily five.
There's four 'overlords' surrounding the map on the Cursed City website, with the Lord of Ulfenkarn likely being the fifth Overlord.

Even so, the Big Bad likely has some unique bodyguards, so it's functionally the same thing, more unique models means fewer copies of each.

Anyway, what I could actually see happening is a 10-man (ETB?) sprue each of skeletons, zombies and ghouls and maybe whatever the fourth faction is like the Chainrasp and Necron Warriors got. That would update a huge swathe of Death all at once and boxing it in a must-have board game would help recoup the costs of tooling resculpts (presumably resculpts sell worse than brand new units). GW has been getting smarter about (not) mixing units on a sprue so we're less likely to see a smorgasbord of units on one sprue like Silver Tower or Deathwatch Overkill.