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So I'm definitely going to have to add some terrain to the side of these boards, just to give it some 3D imagery. Perhaps the mausoleum will be a great piece to start with.

PiñaColada wrote:
How well did the "AI" work in Blackstone? I seem to remember people weren't all that impressed but this game would be more interesting if you and all your friends could play co-op rather than have a GM of sorts IMO. If it squanders the experience however then it's probably better that someone just takes the plunge and plays the bad boys.

Dice roll and flowchart with the usual range from "rush into gunfire" to "fall back for no reason".

Danny76 wrote:
42 enemies..

10 skeletons, 10 zombies.
6 animals, 3 vampire, 2 ogres,
5 characters.
What 6 am I missing..?


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Or is it 6 rats 6 bats?
They might be doubled?


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It’s two sets of 5 for skeletons and zombies, as some poses match..
So likely that..

If you literally just looked at the image you'd see that's not true and all ten have unique poses

To me this looks fantastic. Love all the models, especially the heroes. And the game looks pretty great as well. As mentioned I’m a bit disappointed in the lack of art on some of the cards, but I’ll have to judge it when it’s in my grubby mitts.

I’m currently trying to push $20 bills through my monitor but they’re not going in, and the game is likewise for some reason not coming out. Gonna contact GW customer service and see what’s wrong.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
42 enemies..

10 skeletons, 10 zombies.
6 animals, 3 vampire, 2 ogres,
5 characters.
What 6 am I missing..?


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Or is it 6 rats 6 bats?
They might be doubled?


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It’s two sets of 5 for skeletons and zombies, as some poses match..
So likely that..

If you literally just looked at the image you'd see that's not true and all ten have unique poses

No they don’t. Both the skeletons and zombies are 5 poses with different parts to make them look different. That’s exactly how a lot of these board game sprues work (Blackstone Fortress was exactly the same, 2 repeated sprues for the baddies with extra parts to differentiate them). Glass houses and all that...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
How well did the "AI" work in Blackstone? I seem to remember people weren't all that impressed but this game would be more interesting if you and all your friends could play co-op rather than have a GM of sorts IMO. If it squanders the experience however then it's probably better that someone just takes the plunge and plays the bad boys.

Dice roll and flowchart with the usual range from "rush into gunfire" to "fall back for no reason".

It's not contextual at all? Like, this bruiser is already in melee range so he'll stay there and swing? Are there unique charts for the different datasheets or a one-size fits none situation? If it ends up being that simplistic then that doesn't sound too tempting...

So was it fun to play the GM or did you just feel like you're missing out on the real game?

Skeletons and vampire/werewolf guys are very cool. A couple of the heroes are cool.

Balancing act zombies look stupid.

The rest are pretty meh. The components look downright lazy.

I have zero faith that GW can deliver anything better than a barely passable dice chucker in terms of gameplay experience.

I'll pass unless the price is downright reasonable.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
42 enemies..

10 skeletons, 10 zombies.
6 animals, 3 vampire, 2 ogres,
5 characters.
What 6 am I missing..?


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Or is it 6 rats 6 bats?
They might be doubled?


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It’s two sets of 5 for skeletons and zombies, as some poses match..
So likely that..

If you literally just looked at the image you'd see that's not true and all ten have unique poses

No they don’t. Both the skeletons and zombies are 5 poses with different parts to make them look different. That’s exactly how a lot of these board game sprues work (Blackstone Fortress was exactly the same, 2 repeated sprues for the baddies with extra parts to differentiate them). Glass houses and all that...

Indeed so.

And the 2 sets of 5 was in answer to a post above me.
But yeah see my last post explaining all the poses and how they come together.
With perhaps less attitude too..

I didn't get BSF, though I have watched Ash at GMG play a bunch of it, and seen other reviews, and it's been pretty widely approved of. Silver Tower was tedious and lame, but they've clearly brought the game a long ways. I wasn't sold on the symbol dice at first, but I mean, using a D6 ain't exactly calculus.

Was there any dates announced?

No.
Within three months as always.

But with the full reveal.
I’d say preorder March 13th.
(As we know releases up to then)

Looks fantastic!
I think, sculpt-wise, the heroes have the edge on the baddies (That Ogre Merc...), but there's a lot of gems in the box.

 frankelee wrote:
I didn't get BSF, though I have watched Ash at GMG play a bunch of it, and seen other reviews, and it's been pretty widely approved of. Silver Tower was tedious and lame, but they've clearly brought the game a long ways. I wasn't sold on the symbol dice at first, but I mean, using a D6 ain't exactly calculus.

In silver Tower attack either have fixed damage, or have d3/d6 damage. Which mean hero damage output are different and predictable.

In BSF crit = 3 damage, no crit = 1 damage. if I didn't get crit, I deal damage for ants, and waste several turn. if enemies got a crit on me, it's pretty much became un-fun for the rest of the experdition.

How do we circumvent this ridiculously bad dice base system? Oh yeah put the big robot at the front because he can recover wound from crit attack!!! And all he'll be doing is spending dice (he got less action dice) to heal, and ...wait for it, he need a crit to heal a wound from crit. Whoever controlling the robot sure have a fun time.

It's a garbage and boring mechanic.

I really like the look of the tiles, and the minis are all gorgeous. I didn't pick up Blackstone Fortress in the end because I didn't like the look of the tiles and some of the baddies, but I'm gonna get this. Not that I needed more fantasy dungeon fare or mad detailed heroes.

I am not sold on the zombies, but the skeletons, rats, bats are all great

Why are the zombies nailed to the tombstones on the backs? it looks off to me, personally.

I hope they release these figures seperately for people like myself who are only interested in SOME of the figures.. unless the gameplay is astounding and I must have it.. (who am I kidding)

EDIT- also the objective token with the raven on the pillar, holding a key.. that should solve one of the photos, yes?

We don't know the "whys" of the zombies having their tombstones staked in. Troke brought up some of the superstitions of the real world, where the dead are staked into their graves to prevent them from coming back.

Doesn't seem to work here though.

Chopstick wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
I didn't get BSF, though I have watched Ash at GMG play a bunch of it, and seen other reviews, and it's been pretty widely approved of. Silver Tower was tedious and lame, but they've clearly brought the game a long ways. I wasn't sold on the symbol dice at first, but I mean, using a D6 ain't exactly calculus.

In silver Tower attack either have fixed damage, or have d3/d6 damage. Which mean hero damage output are different and predictable.

In BSF crit = 3 damage, no crit = 1 damage. if I didn't get crit, I deal damage for ants, and waste several turn. if enemies got a crit on me, it's pretty much became un-fun for the rest of the experdition.

How do we circumvent this ridiculously bad dice base system? Oh yeah put the big robot at the front because he can recover wound from crit attack!!! And all he'll be doing is spending dice (he got less action dice) to heal, and ...wait for it, he need a crit to heal a wound from crit. Whoever controlling the robot sure have a fun time.

It's a garbage and boring mechanic.

GW did get a little stuck on that crit damage, Warcry suffers from the same problem. But the fact is symbol dice are just numerical dice with the roll to hit preprogrammed on them. Which is why they use different types of dice to give them different odds. Sounds like variable damage for regular and crits and multiple attack types would solve your problems. Perhaps they'll implement something better for this game.

It is a GW game still, so... we're hoping for a B here at best in terms of rules.

 Kanluwen wrote:
We don't know the "whys" of the zombies having their tombstones staked in. Troke brought up some of the superstitions of the real world, where the dead are staked into their graves to prevent them from coming back.

Doesn't seem to work here though.

I guess it would work if they were vampires haha.

Reminds me of some Warhammer Fantasy lore. In Sylvannia, the dead are buried face down, so if they reanimate, they don't claw their way up

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
We don't know the "whys" of the zombies having their tombstones staked in. Troke brought up some of the superstitions of the real world, where the dead are staked into their graves to prevent them from coming back.

Doesn't seem to work here though.

I guess it would work if they were vampires haha.

Reminds me of some Warhammer Fantasy lore. In Sylvannia, the dead are buried face down, so if they reanimate, they don't claw their way up

Given they have their gravestone on their back, it's clear they were buried face down as well as being staked.

Guess that shows how powerful the necroquake was...or that the help of the Gravedigger boss to open their grave is well needed. I get the feeling from the miniature that's what he actually does - just open the grave so that they can get out, for they seem already reanimated in the ground but can't get out alone...

Either way, this is "small details" like this on the miniatures that suggest a really horrifying setting in the background.

Yeah I think all that lore is taken from the real world. They would cut the heads off the dead, destroy the hearts, bury them facing down, include knots of rope to distract them. Seems like they could pin the dead down with their tomb covering, except these are very strong zombies apparently.

I love the Vermeer homage zombie. Not even shiny pearl earrings protect you from being staked to your grave and ressurrected into undead servitude nonetheless.

Anyone know what the secret envelope is?

 straken619 wrote:
Anyone know what the secret envelope is?

Drugs.

Or a PPE Contract from the U.K. Government.

PiñaColada wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
How well did the "AI" work in Blackstone? I seem to remember people weren't all that impressed but this game would be more interesting if you and all your friends could play co-op rather than have a GM of sorts IMO. If it squanders the experience however then it's probably better that someone just takes the plunge and plays the bad boys.

Dice roll and flowchart with the usual range from "rush into gunfire" to "fall back for no reason".

It's not contextual at all? Like, this bruiser is already in melee range so he'll stay there and swing? Are there unique charts for the different datasheets or a one-size fits none situation?

Each hostile type had their own table of behaviours divided into columns based on relative locations of players. Melee types tended to be more aggressive but all the possible situations still included all possible actions, just that some were more likely than others.
They could have done with special “location” behaviour tables for dudes set to guard a widget.

 straken619 wrote:
Anyone know what the secret envelope is?

Certainly like Blackstone Fortress...a piece of hidden background for every hero when they finally manage to get to the end of their quest.

I don't think the zombies are strong enough to rise from their graves on their own, seeing as they're pinned and facing down, but Gorslav is literally modelled ripping one up so the people probably had the right idea. They just didn't count on the gravekeeper undoing their precautions

PiñaColada wrote:
I don't think the zombies are strong enough to rise from their graves on their own, seeing as they're pinned and facing down, but Gorslav is literally modelled ripping one up so the people probably had the right idea. They just didn't count on the gravekeeper undoing their precautions

Which is certainly why it's important to kill the boss so that the threat in Corpe-gardens is significantly lower.

The miniatures are telling a story already. They really did a great work here.

I loved playing Blackstone Fortress, so this is a must buy for me. From looking at the hero cards in the teasers, looks like the mechanics might be a little different. My only gripe about BSF, was all the dice rolling for the hostiles reaction tables, and then rolling for attacks and then saves. When you had like 16 of the traitor guardsmen on the board, rolling for each individual dude for what he did got tedious fast lol. Otherwise, I really enjoyed it. Very much a Gloomspite-light sort of game.

 straken619 wrote:
Anyone know what the secret envelope is?

Reward lore/gameplay card for beating the core game. Blackstone fortress and all the expansions had a sealed envelope too.

Sarouan wrote:

 straken619 wrote:
Anyone know what the secret envelope is?

Certainly like Blackstone Fortress...a piece of hidden background for every hero when they finally manage to get to the end of their quest.

 jaredb wrote:

 straken619 wrote:
Anyone know what the secret envelope is?

Reward lore/gameplay card for beating the core game. Blackstone fortress and all the expansions had a sealed envelope too.

Yeah I thought it was something like that but i didnt get blackstone fortress so i wasn't sure. Thanks.

 jaredb wrote:
I loved playing Blackstone Fortress, so this is a must buy for me. From looking at the hero cards in the teasers, looks like the mechanics might be a little different. My only gripe about BSF, was all the dice rolling for the hostiles reaction tables, and then rolling for attacks and then saves. When you had like 16 of the traitor guardsmen on the board, rolling for each individual dude for what he did got tedious fast lol. Otherwise, I really enjoyed it. Very much a Gloomspite-light sort of game.

 straken619 wrote:
Anyone know what the secret envelope is?

Reward lore/gameplay card for beating the core game. Blackstone fortress and all the expansions had a sealed envelope too.

Behaviour Tables are optional beyond the single player experience. Just need a spare person to DM.