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 Smokestack wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Alongside a horde of ogors bound to his service

This is such a strange statement for me if he happens to be an Ogor himself, wouldn't he just lead the Ogors if he was one himself, rather than 'bounding them to his service' which lets face it, is a bit of a nicer way of saying enslaved to him.

So, I am in the camp who believes he is an ogor... but this is a compelling argument.

It's just words and well, in terms of being crystal clear with phrases etc, it is GW we are talking about here.... The statement adds to the ambiguity if nothing else though.

I think he isn't an Ogor and it was just a case of misspeaking on the stream, but I'm not going to be all too upset if he is an Ogor, I'm not that invested in him being an Ogor Vampire, a Humanoid Vampire, a Half-Ogor Vampire. It just is a little strange at the moment that is is ambiguous what he is and GW isn't making it any clearer.

Honestly, it's just bizarre that everyone thinks there's no small Ogors...or that in the same place we had an explanation of the more 'feral' Vampires looking the way they are(the Vyrkos Blood-Born are not able to "mask" themselves like an older vampire would be able to) that a Vampire could not make himself look more human-like.

Yeah, maybe I'm wrong and the design team/lore team gave the community team the wrong notes. Or maybe the Customer Service team running the Facebook page doesn't have the same information as the preview team. Or maybe GW wants to stress that the Wolf is a Vampire first and foremost, so that the people asking if he's an Ogor can't complain later on that they cannot take him as part of an Ogor Mawtribes force.

Was his quote always there on the Cursed City page? Because that feels a bit more Ogor-y than human-y.

 Crimson wrote:
Old World and AOS are 'same universe' only in pedantic sense. The old world got blown up, some names got recycled and that's about it. There is no continuity in any real sense.

These days I rather like the AOS setting, but I still feel blowing up the old world was such a shame. I really wish that instead of completely destroying it, they would have incorporated it as a part of larger AOS multiverse. At the Endtimes the Realmgates would have opened, and it would have been revealed that the Old World was one of the realms of the AOS setting. It still would have been a colossal tonal shift, but then there at least would have been a legitimate continuity.

I could have accepted that. An expanded universe.

I...just realized that the metal part on The Wolf's hat is just another wolf icon. Combined with his engraved coat sleeves, his ogor's shoulderpads, etc, this dude is dangerously close to being an AOS space wolf

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Yeah, all my eggs are in the not an ogor basket. Especially after the comparison pic. No mention of it being the case in any of the fluff, or articles. And sorry, but even in the mortal realms, humanity is the default race, so they wouldn’t mention that he had been human. It’s only worth noting when a character isn’t human.

What comparison pic? The one that just took a bunch of images and stuck them next to each other with zero actual reference points?

This kind of thing is less helpful than most people who post them think they're being. It makes the big vargthingy look like it's maybe Ogor sized compared to everyone else being roughly the same size. We know the Kurnothi is fairly tall from the actual shots of her with models...and Radukar is taller/on par with her.

Hey now kids. In the reference picture every model is exactly scaled to have their base be 32mm, 40mm, or 50mm. Radukar and the big varghulf monster thing were based on 40mm and 50mm bases respectively, which I can be sure of because they both appear in the trailer next to heroes on 32mm bases. The Photoshop does not lie, those models are all in exact scale with each other. You don't have like it, but accept it.

Found on Reddit, apparently not an ogor.

That’s that then. Good give and take though lads.

Eh. I'll believe it when it's on the Community page, not the Customer Service rep hotline.

Adam Troke posted on the Warcom twitter that he misspoke

You're right, he's not an Ogre! Sorry if I said that Grimacing face.

As for the actual base size, I'm really not sure - but he's certainly a big ol' boy!

https://twitter.com/AdamTroke/status/1364981316089970689?s=20

Well then, that ends it. Bummer. A vampire ogor would have been an interesting concept--especially the idea of an ogor that has gotten intelligent over the years.

Cronch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

As for the statement of Ogors "bound to his service"...vampires aren't known for having Ogors in their service.
We'll have to wait and see for the final note.

Nothing in his lore on the website states he's an ogor. His looks and proportions aren't particularly orgish (he's basically a space-marine body-wise), he's shorter than the ogors in the box it seems, and the FB community team said he's not an ogor.
Vs
Presenter on livestream saying he's an ogor once.
but I suppose it is possible he's a short, lean ogor with un-ogor facial features, and him being the first non-human vampire in the lore (that I know of?) isn't big enough deal to mention it anywhere in writing...

There were some non human vampires in the Warhammer lore - both old (Dracenfels) and End times (Elf Princess Vamp - in a novel but her fate was contradicted in other material) but were very rare.

Nothing in the Soulblight lore that I am aware of states that vampires can only be human - but then it might be in the new book (sadly) - but then there is nothing to say zombies and skeleton models always have to be human (or Dragons!) but thats all GW bothers to do (apart from the Cursed Company long ago) despite lots of non human animated dead in the lore.

I think its heading towards just a big Vampire human leading Ogres :( Oh well - at last the models are cool

 DaveC wrote:
Adam Troke posted on the Warcom twitter that he misspoke

You're right, he's not an Ogre! Sorry if I said that Grimacing face.

As for the actual base size, I'm really not sure - but he's certainly a big ol' boy!

https://twitter.com/AdamTroke/status/1364981316089970689?s=20

Well, just because he's not an Ogre doesn't mean he can't be an Ogor. This matter is still not settled, imho.

Happy that he's not an ogre. Would have been ridiculous for him being so small and un-ogre looking. Must say that i love nerds (myself included). Huge debate on wether a mini is an ogre or not shows how invested we are in this hobby

I’d say that he doesn’t look like an ogre, as the body proportions are just off.

But, people, who wanted him to be one, why not just pretend, that he is? *imagination sponge Bob meme*.
I’m sure no one in their right mind would mind, if you use him as a proxy for an ogre hunter or something.

If anything, a vampire ogor fits more in AOS than it would have in Fantasy. I'm sure it could have worked in a Gotrek story, but AOS has explored more concepts with races outside humans.

Notably in Warcry. It gave us our first plastic chaos ogor (that I can think of), chaos dwarfs (beyond the pointy hat ones), and our first chaos aelf.

Warhammer Fantasy had a Dog of War unit that introduced skeleton dwarfs, lizardmen, orcs, elves, etc. But now we have zombie ogors too. Hopefully GW will explore the concept more in the future, since I am all for ogors, duardin, etc being used in armies outside Order and Destruction

I just realized after looking at the group shot of the skeletons that they look like an undead dance troupe that just finished a routine, and it has completely ruined them for me.

Dread Master wrote:
I just realized after looking at the group shot of the skeletons that they look like an undead dance troupe that just finished a routine, and it has completely ruined them for me.

Thats more a reflection of the necromancer that animated them. He is fabulous, as are his troops.

 Smokestack wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
I just realized after looking at the group shot of the skeletons that they look like an undead dance troupe that just finished a routine, and it has completely ruined them for me.

Thats more a reflection of the necromancer that animated them. He is fabulous, as are his troops.

Exalted! Lmao

 Smokestack wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
I just realized after looking at the group shot of the skeletons that they look like an undead dance troupe that just finished a routine, and it has completely ruined them for me.

Thats more a reflection of the necromancer that animated them. He is fabulous, as are his troops.

My immediate thought was it was a Mardi gras/day of the dead style setup for the Zombies. Very colourful and energetic.

Skellies are generic pop music video material for sure

Nah, it's either Thriller or Everybody (Backstreet's back). Both classics in their own way.

 GaroRobe wrote:
If anything, a vampire ogor fits more in AOS than it would have in Fantasy. I'm sure it could have worked in a Gotrek story, but AOS has explored more concepts with races outside humans.

Ogor vampire would be great, as would an elf vampire etc. Just this boy would make a very disappointing ogre vampire.

I'm just a bit annoyed that they couldn't go full WHF vibe and had to add the KO nonsense thing. Otherwise, I will definitely buy everything once it comes out.

 CragHack wrote:
I'm just a bit annoyed that they couldn't go full WHF vibe and had to add the KO nonsense thing. Otherwise, I will definitely buy everything once it comes out.

I was hoping for a dispossessed personally. I mean, we got an aelf who wasn't sylvaneth, Deepkin, DoK, or Realmlord. But they'd probably have done another fyreslayer if they hadn't opted for a KO. Which could have been cool, since it may have been one of the few good-looking fyreslayers

But since we're in Shyish, why not do those dwarfs that worship Gazul? They're just duardin with a death-fetish. Bells, Irondrakes with skull-shaped helmets, ash coated skin to make them look skeletal, etc. They even have the ability to summon the spirits of the dead to aid them in battle.

We got an Aelf who is Kurnothi, which is a faction that is up in the air right now.

What is Kurnothi? A new loltrademark name for Wood Elfs?

Named after Kuronos, an Elf god from the Old World.

Orion was basically his Avatar equivalent.

 CragHack wrote:
What is Kurnothi? A new loltrademark name for Wood Elfs?

The long and short of it is we don't know.

Beastgrave marked our first look at them, with a strange centauroid and satyr-like aelfs plus a hunting cat.
It sounds like Alarielle might have had a hand in their creation, but they seem to be living flesh and blood rather than sap and bark like the Tree-Revenants that make up the Sylvaneth.

We also know that Kurnoth(the 'renamed' Kurnous) had an entire continent in Ghyran, called "Kurnotheal". It had a Realmgate connecting to Ghur.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Named after Kuronos, an Elf god from the Old World.

He was the Elven God of the Hunt. Tribute would be offered when slaughtering/cleaning kills on the hunt or before embarking upon a hunt.

Orion was basically his Avatar equivalent.

This is a bit of an oversimplification of exactly what Ariel and Orion were when we talk about the Wood Elf stuff. Athel Loren basically made them into Kurnous and Isha but only for the Spring and Summer, with their powers waning in the fall and expiring over winter.

 CragHack wrote:
What is Kurnothi? A new loltrademark name for Wood Elfs?

No, that's wanderers.