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Quest 95 certainly wasnt perfect, but to say its only whacky nonsense is ignoring all the goodness in the Roleplay book; add a GM and the game seriously changes. Judging old Quest on the card draw board game is like playing 40k / aos with just the free online rules and saying thats all there is to it.

Sarouan wrote:
Miss customization from Old Quest, but unlike others, I'm not blinded by nostalgia

Now we're blinded by nostalgia, hey?

I can acknowledge the flaws in a game and still think it's fantastic. Old Quest is. That's not nostalgia speaking, that's experience. Old and new.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We really need a control group of people who have never played oldtimey games to determine of Quest is good or not

Me & my buds never played original Quest but had a blast with Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhall, fwiw. Though we definitely hit a point were we felt like we've 'beaten' the replay value and it has lost appeal to play again. But at the end of the day I feel like I got my money's worth out of both games, and I still use the miniatures elsewhere.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sarouan wrote:
Miss customization from Old Quest, but unlike others, I'm not blinded by nostalgia

Now we're blinded by nostalgia, hey?

I can acknowledge the flaws in a game and still think it's fantastic. Old Quest is. That's not nostalgia speaking, that's experience. Old and new.

Yup. Nostalgia is when people exclaim how much better 'old' 40k fluff was, reality is going back and reading it again. And oh boy does that nostalgia die quick when the reality falls short. Nostalgia can make something seem better, but not that much better, and it is pretty easy for even the average person to recognize when they like something because of nostalgia.

To those saying old Quest is actually bad; when was the last time you played it, and why shouldn't I listen to the experience of someone who still is?

Luke82 wrote:
Quest 95 certainly wasnt perfect, but to say its only whacky nonsense is ignoring all the goodness in the Roleplay book; add a GM and the game seriously changes. Judging old Quest on the card draw board game is like playing 40k / aos with just the free online rules and saying thats all there is to it.

Of course, if you change the core rules and decide to make a boardgame into a "true" pen and paper RPG, the experience can be awesome.

That applies to all games, though. Imagine if you add a GM in Monopoly ! Now that is an entirely new experience you will certainly remember amongst the others. Even if it's bad.


After all, I even did that with Hasbro's Heroquest. And I'm old enough to even remember GW's Advanced Heroquest.


The wacky nonsense of Old Quest is just what you remember with a good smile on your face, because it's precisely because it's wacky nonsense that it's burnt in your mind. The more normal, average games tend to be not as marking your mind.

Anyway, I'm fine with keep playing Old Quest as it was and Cursed City as it is. I don't need to turn Cursed City into Old Quest, since it's clearly not the intent behind the game. And I would even add...what's the point, in the end, unless for nostalgia like the Heroquest Kickstarter ? I do remember Heroquest from Hasbro, and yeah I had a ton of fun with it, especially with the expansion when you could make your own maps with stickers...but I also do aknowledge the rules that I enjoyed when I was lot younger wouldn't be as enjoyable to me as the gamer I am now with the experience behind me. And I can see the flaws behind these rules as well.

But no game needs to be the perfect game system to be fun. No one. Which is why Gloomheaven isn't the best seller even if its fans consider it the best rule system. The point of a game is to have fun, and rules are just means to that.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

To those saying old Quest is actually bad; when was the last time you played it, and why shouldn't I listen to the experience of someone who still is?

You don't need that, you can watch Ash's youtube videos on his games with Old Quest. You can see how much fun he has with it.

And I still remember fondly the fun I had too.

But yeah, there were some results with a combination of events and random dungon map cards that were really wacky nonsense. And you can see that on Ash's videos too !

Sarouan wrote:

Luke82 wrote:
Quest 95 certainly wasnt perfect, but to say its only whacky nonsense is ignoring all the goodness in the Roleplay book; add a GM and the game seriously changes. Judging old Quest on the card draw board game is like playing 40k / aos with just the free online rules and saying thats all there is to it.

Of course, if you change the core rules and decide to make a boardgame into a "true" pen and paper RPG, the experience can be awesome.

That applies to all games, though. Imagine if you add a GM in Monopoly ! Now that is an entirely new experience you will certainly remember amongst the others. Even if it's bad.


After all, I even did that with Hasbro's Heroquest. And I'm old enough to even remember GW's Advanced Heroquest.


The wacky nonsense of Old Quest is just what you remember with a good smile on your face, because it's precisely because it's wacky nonsense that it's burnt in your mind. The more normal, average games tend to be not as marking your mind.

Anyway, I'm fine with keep playing Old Quest as it was and Cursed City as it is. I don't need to turn Cursed City into Old Quest, since it's clearly not the intent behind the game. And I would even add...what's the point, in the end, unless for nostalgia like the Heroquest Kickstarter ?


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

To those saying old Quest is actually bad; when was the last time you played it, and why shouldn't I listen to the experience of someone who still is?

You don't need that, you can watch Ash's youtube videos on his games with Old Quest. You can see how much fun he has with it.

And I still remember fondly the fun I had too.

But yeah, there were some results with a combination of events and random dungon map cards that were really wacky nonsense. And you can see that on Ash's videos too !

Well it wasn’t changing the rules, they were in the box from the get go. I had a blast with the whacky nonsense one offs and the detailed campaigns embarked on, back in 95 and more recently, and intend to again.

Luke82 wrote:


Well it wasn’t changing the rules, they were in the box from the get go. I had a blast with the whacky nonsense one offs and the detailed campaigns embarked on, back in 95 and more recently, and intend to again.

Go for it.

That said, I completely understand why GW didn't just copy and paste Old Quest's rules for Cursed City. Because they are aware of the flaws for sure, even if they're clearly aware of the strengths.

Just a thought; While card-stock production maybe a concern, what would hold them back from releasing the hostiles - as they did with BSF - as individual kits in the meantime?

Sigh, just want that Vargskyr to replace the Scooby-Doo werewolf in Ravenloft...

So there will be some shipping delays (to add to the 2 weeks it will just sit in German customs ). I'm half hoping they run out of keys before mine and I get a voucher like I did with Indomitus.

Hello,

We’re getting in touch to let you know that we’re expecting some delays to orders this week.

Rest assured that we have your order details and we’re getting it all ready to send out to you – it might be just a few days later than you would usually expect.

Thanks for your patience.

If you haven’t received your order in 28 days, please let us know – though we'll hopefully get it to you much quicker than that!

Games Workshop Customer Services Team

SamusDrake wrote:
Just a thought; While card-stock production maybe a concern, what would hold them back from releasing the hostiles - as they did with BSF - as individual kits in the meantime?

Sigh, just want that Vargskyr to replace the Scooby-Doo werewolf in Ravenloft...

Bugger all, to be honest

 DaveC wrote:
So there will be some shipping delays (to add to the 2 weeks it will just sit in German customs ). I'm half hoping they run out of keys before mine and I get a voucher like I did with Indomitus.

Hello,

We’re getting in touch to let you know that we’re expecting some delays to orders this week.

Rest assured that we have your order details and we’re getting it all ready to send out to you – it might be just a few days later than you would usually expect.

Thanks for your patience.

If you haven’t received your order in 28 days, please let us know – though we'll hopefully get it to you much quicker than that!

Games Workshop Customer Services Team

I had the same e-mail in regards to the Piety and Pain box I ordered from them a week ago so looks like they are pretty behind at the moment.

Total Cards supposedly have 10+ copies of Cursed City in stock, at a decent discount - https://www.totalcards.net/warhammer-quest-cursed-city

They've been decent the few times I've used them before, but I've no experience with preorders/new releases.

Refused wrote:
Total Cards supposedly have 10+ copies of Cursed City in stock, at a decent discount - https://www.totalcards.net/warhammer-quest-cursed-city

They've been decent the few times I've used them before, but I've no experience with preorders/new releases.

Awesome, and they seem to ship to Australia, too!

 DaveC wrote:
So there will be some shipping delays (to add to the 2 weeks it will just sit in German customs ). I'm half hoping they run out of keys before mine and I get a voucher like I did with Indomitus.

Any reason why you're ordering it straight from GW?

My local store tells me last week they are getting over 130 copies, I call today to just confirm I'm still on the list and they tell me its super limited and I'm #4 so I should be ok.... uh... dealing with GW product is like toilet paper in a pandemic

Just a heads up. Cursed city is back in stock direct from GW in Japan and the UK at least.

Chikout wrote:
Just a heads up. Cursed city is back in stock direct from GW in Japan and the UK at least.

You‘re a star, thank you!

Worked for me in Germany too.

Refused wrote:
Total Cards supposedly have 10+ copies of Cursed City in stock, at a decent discount - https://www.totalcards.net/warhammer-quest-cursed-city

They've been decent the few times I've used them before, but I've no experience with preorders/new releases.

Managed to snaffle myself one of the last few copies this morning, and on a side note, for those just after individual minis, Bitsandkits have most at pretty reasonable rates (£15 a character, £10 for 6 of each swarm for example).

Just received confirmation from Element that my copy has been dispatched.

I am relieved!

There is a German online store with a few (currently 12) copies of the German-language version in stock, and they even sell at a decent 15% discount: https://www.hobbygames.de/warhammer/sonstige/3685/warhammer-quest-die-verfluchte-stadt-deutsch-games-workshop

I must say I am not a fan of GW's (weirdly incomplete) translations into German and have already an order with GW for the English copy. But now I've ordered the German one as well because I want to be able to play with folks who are less confident with English. So - do I cancel my GW order for the English copy, or is anyone here interested in one complete set of minis (shipping from Germany obviously)?

Can't wait to paint some undead.

Good to see scalpers will miss out this time around.

@TheGoodGerman: I'd be willing to buy the skellies and a couple of characters if you are going to split the box. Even the whole miniature set if we can agree on a price

Refused wrote:
Total Cards supposedly have 10+ copies of Cursed City in stock, at a decent discount - https://www.totalcards.net/warhammer-quest-cursed-city

They've been decent the few times I've used them before, but I've no experience with preorders/new releases.

Thanks for that, just got a confirmation email that its been shipped. I had an order in with OnTableTop originally but got a message after that I missed the initial allotment and would be on
the waiting list, so that'll have to be cancelled.

 BertBert wrote:
Good to see scalpers will miss out this time around.

Yes. I've been watching the eBay listings in anticipation of some official GW communication about Cursed City's future availability that will burst the bubble. Their silence is shameful and helps only the wrong people.

 BertBert wrote:
@TheGoodGerman: I'd be willing to buy the skellies and a couple of characters if you are going to split the box. Even the whole miniature set if we can agree on a price

Once I have both boxes sitting here I might come back on this. First need to talk to a friend with whom I'll play the game.

Re price: I was willing to pay the listed ~20 Pounds to some scalper for their leftover paper/cardboard bits. So if I end up no worse than that, I'd be content.

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Wow, they're fast. That German shop has just sent a shipping notice.

Ugg, so it turns out my FLG WAS doing pre-orders. Its just that their website has been borked the last week. It was finally fixed last night and when I check this morning they were sold out.

So I guess I'll have to wait for the next printing....if there is one. The fact the website keeps saying "No longer available" has me concerned...

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
So I guess I'll have to wait for the next printing....if there is one.

Unless they have another Quest game lined up for this year, Its very unlikely that this will be the only print run for Cursed City.

Lots of confusing info out there, and importantly, seemingly no official word one way or the other from GW.

I noticed on the Oz online store, Cursed City has swapped from "Temporarily out of stock Online" to "No longer available Online".

Maybe they just made a mistake with the label, but the latter is generally used for stuff that's gone not to be replenished, and there's no option to ask them to email you when it comes back in stock.

I really, really hope it becomes widely available soon. I'd like to pick up some of the figures individually, but even "nobodies" like Grimscry cost 1/4th of the box price on ebay. Ridiculous

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I noticed on the Oz online store, Cursed City has swapped from "Temporarily out of stock Online" to "No longer available Online".

Maybe they just made a mistake with the label, but the latter is generally used for stuff that's gone not to be replenished, and there's no option to ask them to email you when it comes back in stock.

Been that way for a few days now, but yeah, not the first time if it ends up being a mistake. Liber Xenologis went No Longer Available before being quickly pulled and restocked when it first came out.

A review by Drive Thru Games...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Lots of confusing info out there, and importantly, seemingly no official word one way or the other from GW.

Which is the annoying bit. Like, if this really is just a one off run just say it. Sucks I missing out but at least I know and can burn my money on other stuff. So far all indicators say "nope! That's it!"