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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
whats this FB group ?

The anti-scalper group.

Members get rare items in bulk and sell them on for cost + shipping. No gouging there.

Cheers

Whilst GW have definitely improved communication since the dark old days, they've definitely fallen flat on their face this time.

I still don't know what to believe at this point.

 Argive wrote:
Their whole business practice is all sort of whack.
They are perfectly happy to make limited run of plastic injected molds for all sorts of stuff, commemorative models, SM #43, random obscure side game I.e. Blood bowl etc.
But they dont support their bread and butter games like 40k.

Well, this is laughable.

Firstly, just because you don't play it, doesn't make Blood Bowl (or Necromunda, or Titanicus) a "random obscure side game" - they're established franchises, to one degree or other, with some really dedicated fanbases. The closest to a game you might have a point on is Aeronautica Imperialis, and even that is a v2 of a game initially produced by FW.

And claiming they don't support 40k... dude, there's a reason you're not meant to post while drunk. I don't have an exact count, but I'd feel fairly safe in saying there have been more plastic 40k releases since Indomitus than there have been releases for their "side games" - possibly not quite as many as for AOS, but that's a whole different kettle of fish.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Yes, I am for real. Because I heard that exact quote over the phone between my local store owner and his GW rep. The rep said "We had no idea that there would be THIS much of an interest in the product and we're scrambling to fill orders as we speak. I know that you ordered 10 boxes, however I can only send you four."

You actually believed that? That's the worst BS corporate ass covering excuse that could ever exist. GW knew exactly how popular this would be thanks to previous Quest sales.

Expect we’ve seen them increasing sales by a huge amount since the last one was released.

Boxed Games are planned well in advance, so it’s easy for them to under produce. Hence the need for them to just bloody tell us, nice and straight, whether or not they’ll be producing more.

I never said they didn't under produce, I said that the rep is spewing corporate BS to cover that fact. There's a reason GW reps have a bad reputation.

I dunno man. I choose to not be a cynic about it.

Warhammer community twitter stated point blank yesterday that they're not expecting Cursed City to return online, and the facebook comments on GW pages saying it's a permanent range item have now been deleted. Ooops...


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The vindication feels pretty great though, not gonna lie.


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Oh and Cursed City is now gone from the webstore rather than just unavailable.

Opened my box yesterday, and realized that they have, yet again, changed the format for the cards. I could understand if there was some nefarious GW plan at work to sell us overpriced sleeves (and I would definitely fall for it being a compulsive fool and all), but they don't even do that!

On the other hand, there are some standard sizes used, so all may not be lost.

For those interested, here are the dimensions I noted:
- Empowerment (24) / Encounter (16) / Exploration (19) / Mortis (8) : standard size (Magic)
- Initiative (8) : same size as the BSF ones (Mini American I think, the old FFG Yellow)
- Discovery (35) : those are different from BSF, but are a standard format (57x89, Standard American)
- Traits (8) : this is a new size (65x100), apparently compatible with 7 Wonders sleeves ???
- Characters/Enemies : slightly larger than the BSF equivalent, moving from 105x147 to 110x150. This one is the one I'm most irritated about.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Their whole business practice is all sort of whack.
They are perfectly happy to make limited run of plastic injected molds for all sorts of stuff, commemorative models, SM #43, random obscure side game I.e. Blood bowl etc.
But they dont support their bread and butter games like 40k.

Well, this is laughable.

Firstly, just because you don't play it, doesn't make Blood Bowl (or Necromunda, or Titanicus) a "random obscure side game" - they're established franchises, to one degree or other, with some really dedicated fanbases. The closest to a game you might have a point on is Aeronautica Imperialis, and even that is a v2 of a game initially produced by FW.

And Blood Bowl, the one specifically being called out, is arguably the largest of those established ones too,
A constant huge fan base with living rules even when GW stopped doing stuff for it, which only came back bigger really.

Danny76 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Their whole business practice is all sort of whack.
They are perfectly happy to make limited run of plastic injected molds for all sorts of stuff, commemorative models, SM #43, random obscure side game I.e. Blood bowl etc.
But they dont support their bread and butter games like 40k.

Well, this is laughable.

Firstly, just because you don't play it, doesn't make Blood Bowl (or Necromunda, or Titanicus) a "random obscure side game" - they're established franchises, to one degree or other, with some really dedicated fanbases. The closest to a game you might have a point on is Aeronautica Imperialis, and even that is a v2 of a game initially produced by FW.

And Blood Bowl, the one specifically being called out, is arguably the largest of those established ones too,
A constant huge fan base with living rules even when GW stopped doing stuff for it, which only came back bigger really.

My understanding is Blood Bowl was a pretty big seller when it came out a few years back and part of the reason GW are now willing to branch out more into non-core games.

They did, after all, give it a 2nd edition with all new models and rulebooks even though the rules barely changed. They wouldn't have done that if it wasn't a big seller.

AI has unfortunately become the red headed step child, it was a game I really wanted GW to remake but they screwed up the rules when they did it, so now it only appeals to collectors. It could have been a cool tournament style game, but what on the surface looked like minor rules changes really butchered how the game plays.

 Togusa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Yes, I am for real. Because I heard that exact quote over the phone between my local store owner and his GW rep. The rep said "We had no idea that there would be THIS much of an interest in the product and we're scrambling to fill orders as we speak. I know that you ordered 10 boxes, however I can only send you four."

You actually believed that? That's the worst BS corporate ass covering excuse that could ever exist. GW knew exactly how popular this would be thanks to previous Quest sales.

Expect we’ve seen them increasing sales by a huge amount since the last one was released.

Boxed Games are planned well in advance, so it’s easy for them to under produce. Hence the need for them to just bloody tell us, nice and straight, whether or not they’ll be producing more.

I never said they didn't under produce, I said that the rep is spewing corporate BS to cover that fact. There's a reason GW reps have a bad reputation.

I dunno man. I choose to not be a cynic about it.

In GW's case you should always be as cynical as possible.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Yes, I am for real. Because I heard that exact quote over the phone between my local store owner and his GW rep. The rep said "We had no idea that there would be THIS much of an interest in the product and we're scrambling to fill orders as we speak. I know that you ordered 10 boxes, however I can only send you four."

You actually believed that? That's the worst BS corporate ass covering excuse that could ever exist. GW knew exactly how popular this would be thanks to previous Quest sales.

Expect we’ve seen them increasing sales by a huge amount since the last one was released.

Boxed Games are planned well in advance, so it’s easy for them to under produce. Hence the need for them to just bloody tell us, nice and straight, whether or not they’ll be producing more.

I never said they didn't under produce, I said that the rep is spewing corporate BS to cover that fact. There's a reason GW reps have a bad reputation.

I dunno man. I choose to not be a cynic about it.

In GW's case you should always be as cynical as possible.

GW store workers, managers and reps are right up there for being a reliable source of information, I trust them so much, probably somewhere between politicians and used car salesmen.

(\sarcasm on the off chance someone doesn't realise )

Just seen that Cursed City has a clothing range and is listed as a separate brand on the merch website -

https://merch.warhammer.com/collections/warhammer-quest-cursed-city

Due to production issues this may end up being a one off print run with no expansions but they definitely did intend this to be a line item originally.

Aeneades wrote:
Just seen that Cursed City has a clothing range and is listed as a separate brand on the merch website -

https://merch.warhammer.com/collections/warhammer-quest-cursed-city

Due to production issues this may end up being a one off print run with no expansions but they definitely did intend this to be a line item originally.

What exactly about clothing merch makes you think it wasn't intended to be a one-off print?

Some people really dont want to read the writing on the wall here.

Its not coming back, it was never intended to be a line item either. Its just another step in the long game of whipping a preorder frenzy for the next big must buy box, and the one after that, and so on indefinitely. It works.

I wonder how many people who saved up for cursed city and missed out then spent the same money on other GW toys? Theres a reason GW make money hand over fist.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Cronch wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Overread wrote:

jullevi wrote:
If I were GW, I would be tempted to accept the win and move on too. Selling out is not exactly bad for business if the amount of copies sold was enough to turn in massive profit. I think it was.

I mean aside from the backlash they'll get from the community over this.

GW haven't shown themselves to be especially concerned with 'backlash' historically.

And the community have an absolutely appalling record of maintaining any sort of backlash for longer than the next shiny new release, even if any significant number even care in the first place.

Yeah, what are they going to do about it, NOT buy the newest space marine GW dangles in front of their face? GW has hard data proving they can do whatever they want and their sales will keep rising, a doormat has more backbone than your average GW fan.

Remember the price hike five minutes before 9th was announced? "GW have now priced me out of the hobby and during a pandemic too!" Those claims lasted all of a fly's lifespan before "OMG Indomitus looks GLORIOUS!!! I must pre-order two boxes just for the Primaris!!!"

No doubt they'll put out a Community post saying they've listened and will make Cursed City a Made-to-Order release in the future and people will say it's proof how wonderful Nu!GW is at listening and they'll buy three boxes as thanks or something.

Well, I mean... Indomitus was the last thing I've bought from GW, so...

Luke82 wrote:
Some people really dont want to read the writing on the wall here.

Its not coming back, it was never intended to be a line item either. Its just another step in the long game of whipping a preorder frenzy for the next big must buy box, and the one after that, and so on indefinitely. It works.

I wonder how many people who saved up for cursed city and missed out then spent the same money on other GW toys? Theres a reason GW make money hand over fist.

And you can bet they will whine, but regardless buy the next new shiny Geedubs product.

Well that sucks, I wish they could have communicated that better [which generally they have been]. I guess it might be due to the limits of production currently and the fact they are gearing up for AoS3 in a few months [which apparently has an Indomitus style box as well]. I was lucky enough to get a box- the models are gorgeous so its a shame its not going to be more widely available. you'd like to think they could bring it back later but I reckon the production juggernaut won't allow it.

 silverstu wrote:
Well that sucks, I wish they could have communicated that better [which generally they have been]. I guess it might be due to the limits of production currently and the fact they are gearing up for AoS3 in a few months [which apparently has an Indomitus style box as well]. I was lucky enough to get a box- the models are gorgeous so its a shame its not going to be more widely available. you'd like to think they could bring it back later but I reckon the production juggernaut won't allow it.

Do you seriously believe it's due to "limits of production" ? And more importantly, do you seriously plan to continue supporting them after this whole thing?

I'm not sure if it matters or not, but I did notice thumbing through my copy that the warscrolls sheets in the box are dated November 2020. Makes me think this box is being released several months later than originally intended.

Luke82 wrote:
Some people really dont want to read the writing on the wall here.

Its not coming back, it was never intended to be a line item either. Its just another step in the long game of whipping a preorder frenzy for the next big must buy box, and the one after that, and so on indefinitely. It works.

I wonder how many people who saved up for cursed city and missed out then spent the same money on other GW toys? Theres a reason GW make money hand over fist.

But honestly, nothing pointed to this being a limited release. Because BSF was (or still is) widely available, they want to sell expansions and even if the templates are there, it still costs money to get that microsite live for a game that will only see one run. And they usually say way more often "hey, this is limited, get it fast!". And the switch in communication from this is a line item
It really is baffling, because it sure would make more than it's money back as a line item. I didn't try to get one, because I didn't have the funds and really expected to be around longer.

And I can't get how it was clear for some people, that this would be limited, when no Quest game before ever was. It doesn't really seem planned.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
Well that sucks, I wish they could have communicated that better [which generally they have been]. I guess it might be due to the limits of production currently and the fact they are gearing up for AoS3 in a few months [which apparently has an Indomitus style box as well]. I was lucky enough to get a box- the models are gorgeous so its a shame its not going to be more widely available. you'd like to think they could bring it back later but I reckon the production juggernaut won't allow it.

Do you seriously believe it's due to "limits of production" ? And more importantly, do you seriously plan to continue supporting them after this whole thing?

Yes... Do you believe they have infinite production capacity during a pandemic? And its one game/product -they didn't murder my da or anything. If they produce something else I like and want to buy- I will buy it. Its just a game, I'm not entitled to own everything I want, they are not obligated to produce everything I want. They are an international company with multiple lines, a vast range of products with a major release coming up in the next few months with a new edition to the second of their core range. They are already struggling to meet demand for their existing products - what's not to understand?? They have been extremely poor in communicating that its a sell out and won't be back but thats it.

I would normally defend GW until the cows come home, and it's possible there are reasons we don't know about that explain the situation, but I have to admit I'm sat here scratching my head on this one.

How could they get this so wrong? Production issues aside why would they repeatedly say it will be a stock item when, clearly, it's not?

Their comms on this has been sub-par but this isn't the first time the Warhammer Community team have sent out misleading comms (the re-released KT sets for example).

But the other thing that strikes me as odd is the lost potential with Cursed City.

It's not a bad game by any stretch (it does rip off elements from other games like Massive Darkness) and the minis are not only gorgeous but also, obviously, designed with non-hobbyists in mind.

This would have been a great "gateway" game into the hobby if they could have got it out into stores that don't usually sell GW stuff but do sell board-games.

However, having it sell out in minutes on their own webstore and then not being able to supply bricks and mortar stores means that the the only people that actually bought it are people already familar with the IP.

But, anecdotally, taking myself as an example. I have no interest in AoS (because I have too much unpainted 40K stuff) but do like board-games.

I bought Cursed City as a one off because, hey, who doesn't love vampires and zombies?

But then, I bought the Crimson Court and am now looking at skeleton and vampire models and before I know it I will probably have an AoS undead army. Or at least I might start playing Warcry.

How many other new players could they have attracted with this set?

I think something must have gone wrong with this release, no idea what, but I cannot fathom why this didn't automatically become a range item, even if it was a webstore/WarhammerWorld exclusive.

I am also concerned that the expansions mentioned in the core set may never see the light of day.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Yes, I am for real. Because I heard that exact quote over the phone between my local store owner and his GW rep. The rep said "We had no idea that there would be THIS much of an interest in the product and we're scrambling to fill orders as we speak. I know that you ordered 10 boxes, however I can only send you four."

You actually believed that? That's the worst BS corporate ass covering excuse that could ever exist. GW knew exactly how popular this would be thanks to previous Quest sales.

Expect we’ve seen them increasing sales by a huge amount since the last one was released.

Boxed Games are planned well in advance, so it’s easy for them to under produce. Hence the need for them to just bloody tell us, nice and straight, whether or not they’ll be producing more.

I never said they didn't under produce, I said that the rep is spewing corporate BS to cover that fact. There's a reason GW reps have a bad reputation.

I dunno man. I choose to not be a cynic about it.

In GW's case you should always be as cynical as possible.

That is your choice. I'm not going to jump on the GW hate train simply because it's the current "in thing."

Two quick things:

Apparently GW though they had enough copies of Cursed City to last them 3-6 months, but they all sold out pretty much straight away.

Right now there is an unknown, serious problem with their warehouse - orders haven't gone out to FLGS or GW stores in the last few days, and some have been advised it'll be next week before they get stuff (so a lot of people won't be getting their pre-orders this weekend).

I don't see it as the end of a pre-order wave.
All of Warhammer Quest has gone from GW's store page, apart from BSF main box, which is 'Temporarily out of stock Online'. The expansions have gone.

If Warhammer Quest was printed by a dfferrent supplier to the usual GW stuff, I guess this is something legal. Usually, the end of a pre-order run stay us, sometimes for years.

This doesn't look like just a stock issue.

StraightSilver wrote:


I am also concerned that the expansions mentioned in the core set may never see the light of day.

What are you referring to? Core Set?

StraightSilver wrote:
I would normally defend GW until the cows come home, and it's possible there are reasons we don't know about that explain the situation, but I have to admit I'm sat here scratching my head on this one.

How could they get this so wrong? Production issues aside why would they repeatedly say it will be a stock item when, clearly, it's not?

Their comms on this has been sub-par but this isn't the first time the Warhammer Community team have sent out misleading comms (the re-released KT sets for example).

But the other thing that strikes me as odd is the lost potential with Cursed City.

It's not a bad game by any stretch (it does rip off elements from other games like Massive Darkness) and the minis are not only gorgeous but also, obviously, designed with non-hobbyists in mind.

This would have been a great "gateway" game into the hobby if they could have got it out into stores that don't usually sell GW stuff but do sell board-games.

However, having it sell out in minutes on their own webstore and then not being able to supply bricks and mortar stores means that the the only people that actually bought it are people already familar with the IP.

But, anecdotally, taking myself as an example. I have no interest in AoS (because I have too much unpainted 40K stuff) but do like board-games.

I bought Cursed City as a one off because, hey, who doesn't love vampires and zombies?

But then, I bought the Crimson Court and am now looking at skeleton and vampire models and before I know it I will probably have an AoS undead army. Or at least I might start playing Warcry.

How many other new players could they have attracted with this set?

I think something must have gone wrong with this release, no idea what, but I cannot fathom why this didn't automatically become a range item, even if it was a webstore/WarhammerWorld exclusive.

I am also concerned that the expansions mentioned in the core set may never see the light of day.

Nothing went wrong. This was clearly all planned to maximize profit.

It’s a completely baffling outcome.

I mean, why no more copies being made? What’s the point in that? The vast majority of production costs are already sunk, and I suspect they’ve also been recovered because it’s sold out (you don’t spend £10 to limit your return to £9 after all!)

I’m seriously wondering if something has happened behind the scenes, but I can think what that might be. If there was some kind of copyright issue, I’m fairly sure we’d have heard about it, spesh as the likes of SpikeyBitz and BoLS will publish any old poop.

Is there the possibility of over ordering? Well. Sure. But then they’ve done Made To Order before. And literally none of the previous Quest games were such a limited release.

I just don’t understand this.

beast_gts wrote:
Two quick things:

Apparently GW though they had enough copies of Cursed City to last them 3-6 months, but they all sold out pretty much straight away.

Right now there is an unknown, serious problem with their warehouse - orders haven't gone out to FLGS or GW stores in the last few days, and some have been advised it'll be next week before they get stuff (so a lot of people won't be getting their pre-orders this weekend).

For the issue you mentioned, I was told today by my FLGS that my order is delayed for a month. He gave me no explanation and when I asked for details he said they gave him nothing.

Chinese factory burned down?

I mean, possibly? But they’d still have the files, so could just get another Print Shop on the job.