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God forbid people on a games forum care about whether or not they can get hold of games they want! God forbid they care if a company love bombs them with promotion for a cool game only to make it unavailable at the last minute and then refuse to explain why!


Basically just the fallacy of relative privation, not big or clever

Billicus wrote:
God forbid people on a games forum care about whether or not they can get hold of games they want! God forbid they care if a company love bombs them with promotion for a cool game only to make it unavailable at the last minute and then refuse to explain why!


Basically just the fallacy of relative privation, not big or clever

I think we all agree it sucks. It's obviously a bad beat.

I can't speak for everybody, but I'm just tired of every hiccup from GW turning into some intense relitigation about whether or not GW has "changed" followed by endless backseat management.

GW is a publicly traded multi-national: they don't care about you, they haven't for decades, and they won't again any time soon. We are all just profit centers to them. That said, they've clearly become more transparent than during the Kirby days, and are releasing both more varied and higher quality products. This need to continually figure out exactly how "bad" GW is just baffles me.

 Polonius wrote:

Billicus wrote:
God forbid people on a games forum care about whether or not they can get hold of games they want! God forbid they care if a company love bombs them with promotion for a cool game only to make it unavailable at the last minute and then refuse to explain why!


Basically just the fallacy of relative privation, not big or clever

I think we all agree it sucks. It's obviously a bad beat.

I can't speak for everybody, but I'm just tired of every hiccup from GW turning into some intense relitigation about whether or not GW has "changed" followed by endless backseat management.

GW is a publicly traded multi-national: they don't care about you, they haven't for decades, and they won't again any time soon. We are all just profit centers to them. That said, they've clearly become more transparent than during the Kirby days, and are releasing both more varied and higher quality products. This need to continually figure out exactly how "bad" GW is just baffles me.

By "more varied and higher quality products" you mean nothing but a slew of overpriced monopose Primaris Verb-erators?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
By "more varied and higher quality products" you mean nothing but a slew of overpriced monopose Primaris Verb-erators?

See, while I respect the commitment to the bit, and it's a fun gag, this is just another blind rhetorical alley. When my point is that people want to just rehash their grievances about GW, and you bring up Primaris and prices, you kind of prove my point.

I'm sure nobody will be surprised that Zatu have allegedly made a "stock error" regarding my order, and are holding on to my dosh for a bit while they check whether they have any spare copies of Cursed City behind the sofa.

Those bum bags!

Way to exploit an already shoddy situation.

Yeah they generally have a slightly dubious rep on the boardgame groups, but I suspect most of that's down to the size of their operation -- there's always going to be a few dissatisfied customers. Hasn't happened to me before but I guess I may be joining those ranks!

Weren't Zatu the ones that put the price up by £60 taking it above RRP on orders they'd already taken and were paid for?

 Overread wrote:
Weren't Zatu the ones that put the price up by £60 taking it above RRP on orders they'd already taken and were paid for?

That was a magic the gathering seller. Zatu have some awful practices and price gorging but actually didn’t do that this time.


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 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I'm sure nobody will be surprised that Zatu have allegedly made a "stock error" regarding my order, and are holding on to my dosh for a bit while they check whether they have any spare copies of Cursed City behind the sofa.

I preordered a game expansion from them over a year ago for a really good price (took my money straight away), a few weeks before release they upped the preorder price substantially. They managed to fulfil the later higher priced orders but ran out of stock before they reached my preorder even though I ordered months earlier.

They have had two restocks since and both times they have fulfilled the even more expensive orders they have taken since the original release but not my lower priced preorder.

Only ever use them if they actually have the item in stock.

 Overread wrote:
Weren't Zatu the ones that put the price up by £60 taking it above RRP on orders they'd already taken and were paid for?

No that was Total Cards, the greediest pack of feths I've ever dealt with. Dont buy off Total Cards, ever.

Generally only have good things to say about Zatu, sorry to hear they've mucked you about.

Okay, all alerts have been checked and cleared. I would kindly like to ask everybody participating in thread to lay off the personal attacks.

Billicus wrote:
Generally only have good things to say about Zatu, sorry to hear they've mucked you about.

They seem to be the Wayland of boardgames - if it's showing in-stock you've got a good chance of getting it but any other status and you've got no chance.

beast_gts wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Generally only have good things to say about Zatu, sorry to hear they've mucked you about.

They seem to be the Wayland of boardgames - if it's showing in-stock you've got a good chance of getting it but any other status and you've got no chance.

Finally, someone agrees with me about Wayland! I used them one time and every time I completed my order, "Oh, yeah, that's not in stock. Pick something else because we really really want your money still." After my third backup choice failing to be available when it was listed as "in-stock", I had them credit back my Visa card. And they gave me grief about it.

beast_gts wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Generally only have good things to say about Zatu, sorry to hear they've mucked you about.

They seem to be the Wayland of boardgames - if it's showing in-stock you've got a good chance of getting it but any other status and you've got no chance.

Yeah this is definitely true. TBH, I rarely trust any of the big sites with back orders these days.

 KidCthulhu wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Generally only have good things to say about Zatu, sorry to hear they've mucked you about.

They seem to be the Wayland of boardgames - if it's showing in-stock you've got a good chance of getting it but any other status and you've got no chance.

Finally, someone agrees with me about Wayland! I used them one time and every time I completed my order, "Oh, yeah, that's not in stock. Pick something else because we really really want your money still." After my third backup choice failing to be available when it was listed as "in-stock", I had them credit back my Visa card. And they gave me grief about it.

Waylands new site (for a while now) has live stocking linked to their inventory so generally its pretty reliable. There was a time when it was rough boundaries and "in stock" mean in stock or something they could order in etc...

Wayland-Yutani?

It's become a new standard in a lot of more niche hobbies - these internet shops that list everything under the sun with nebulous stock statuses to get you to order. When the reality is, they don't have it in stock, probably can't get it ever, but they're glad to take your money today. And fight you tooth and nail to keep it even when they can't deliver. I've seen this a lot with plastic models and hobby and toy items, particularly of Far Eastern origin.

It's not so much new, but I think the pandemic has stripped so much stock from big stores that more and more people are using smaller stores and "no name" stores and stores that they'd otherwise not use.

With the result that the dodgy ones become a bit more apparent!

Plus there's likely a few who are honestly having a hard time getting any stock in themselves, but really can't afford to be giving refunds with the pandemic.




I've known "bait and switch" stores to be a problem with photography and such for well over a decade. They'll also do the whole "its on stock but then its not" angle and will either try and make you buy something else; buy lots of "accessories" that inflate the price or straight out charge you more.

In general this kind of store always works the same; if you play their game and pay more they'll often send the item (sometimes slowly); if you don't play ball they'll just keep blocking you with "its not in stock today but it will be soon" type messages or just outright refuse the sale and refund you.


Others will fight tooth and nail to hold onto the cash in the hope that its small enough you won't go to court over it, but enough that if the ydo it enough they can earn a pretty penny not fulfilling orders. Most don't care because they'll operate under loads of different names.




In general its good to remember that Paypal and your bank will typically refund you pretty fast if contacted about a store that isn't honouring a refund request.

On and on and on, this thread is the Energizer Bunny of dumpster fires. It's a god given right to be an donkey-cave and boy are people using that right here

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wayland-Yutani?

It's not a coincidence.

German onlineshop Kutami now lists 60 boxes in stock, German version & shipping to Europe only (max 2 per order)

my local store also received the message that GW is doing Stocktaking from 28/4 -7/5 and therefore does not ship any orders during that time

so we might see some more boxes coming up (or other items that were lost in the warehouse)

I was not interested in Cursed City, some sculpts were good but a lot was overbaked. However I found myself almost heading to my local GW to ask if there was one going to the shop so I didn't miss out.

Yes Cursed City was hyped, but it didn't get as much attention or desire as when people found out they could not get it. We know gougers will be top of the queue of those who want to get hold of a copy, but suddenly everyone else does too. This will help no one but the gougers.

I think there are frankly far better dungeonbashes on the market right now, genericity is key frankly. I think they got it right with Dungeon Saga, and there are several more well received titles.

I have received my box of rules and cardboard. I have read the thing. It's literally just AoS Co-op rules from White Dwarf with painfully long prep phase and post-game phases. That is beyond simplistic.

Cronch wrote:
That is beyond simplistic.

Yes but is it FUN?

The setup kills momentum like crazy, and the "combat" is basic GW stuff, so also no. I can't tell you about debriefing phase in practice, the will to live departed the team before we finished the 1st Hunt. I used the term simplistic over simple for a reason. It does very little, but requires so many steps to get there. Sort of like taxes.

Had the opposite experience to be honest. The group enjoyed it quite a lot. We've got another session coming up tomorrow.

 Rolsheen wrote:
On and on and on, this thread is the Energizer Bunny of dumpster fires. It's a god given right to be an donkey-cave and boy are people using that right here

The subject prolly just attracts a certain type. I say that because like 40% of the people on my ignore list are liking this thread a lot - literally pages with five or six ignored people replying in a row A rare sight for me seeing as my list is only a dozen or so.

Naysayers be damned, I'm really enjoying the game. It's a damnable situation any expansions (likely already made) will be fought over to the extreme, but... like BSF the range of modes offers a lot of variety. Fingers crossed we get all kinds of undead and additional vampire enemy cards added to the game.

why do you think that a "one time only, limited release" will see any expansions or printed cards?