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 Mangod wrote:

Ok, I haven't read up on any new SoB lore in a while, but are you absolutely sure that's a Black Carapace implant and not just a black leotard to preserve the Repentia's modesty?

we clearly see that they have black carapace IO/ports on their shoulders

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Mangod wrote:

Ok, I haven't read up on any new SoB lore in a while, but are you absolutely sure that's a Black Carapace implant and not just a black leotard to preserve the Repentia's modesty?

Spoiler:

we clearly see that they have black carapace IO/ports on their shoulders

Well lets think about that a minute. Yeah, they do have i/o ports. That's not necessarily black carapace, it could just be standard mutilation bionics. But it does lead you to think about space marine power armour fluff.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Should have just been like this...

Thats pretty much what it is, but with a grimdark paintjob and a more dynamic pose.

Its heavily different to me, just b.c its a close idea doesn't mean its the same in looks, feel, proportions, style, etc...

The GW one has fixed guns on the top, its very top heavy, limited head room and visibility, so you have to sit upright at all times and face anything you are shooting at. The legs are not in a way to be dynamic at all, the feet can not grip anything and are just flat with a camel toe making it not ideal to even walk in a war setting. The shoulders are wide and tall meaning you'll be shot at more int he upper 1/2 making it harder to handle the movements.

Yes these are all "real world" but they to me didnt even care that the game is about war and they just want a statue on the battlefield. When you look at the Repentia and even Mortifiers (which are also odd to me but better at least) they seem to seem better.

But remember i am also a painter, modeler, hobbyist before a gamer. So the looks of models matters to me.

 ceorron wrote:
After plenty of deliberation, and taking my queues from the centurions and terminators (which have better proportions IMO)

Model with arms coming out of ears and one with legs coming out of rib cage has better proportions? Le what?

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Its heavily different to me, just b.c its a close idea doesn't mean its the same in looks, feel, proportions, style, etc...

The GW one has fixed guns on the top, its very top heavy, limited head room and visibility, so you have to sit upright at all times and face anything you are shooting at. The legs are not in a way to be dynamic at all, the feet can not grip anything and are just flat with a camel toe making it not ideal to even walk in a war setting. The shoulders are wide and tall meaning you'll be shot at more int he upper 1/2 making it harder to handle the movements.

Yes these are all "real world" but they to me didnt even care that the game is about war and they just want a statue on the battlefield. When you look at the Repentia and even Mortifiers (which are also odd to me but better at least) they seem to seem better.

But remember i am also a painter, modeler, hobbyist before a gamer. So the looks of models matters to me.

fair enought but can i point you to our old friend the boxnaught? This sister model seems much more practical than the dread.

Attempts at practical in 40k is what gets you stuff like the Centurions, the Invictor or the Primaris buggy. Or the dreaded Dreadknight.

Maybe it's the age talking, but 40k designs were better when they were more concerned with looking cool in that unique grimdark way, than with being 'practical' or 'realistic'.

 Irbis wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
After plenty of deliberation, and taking my queues from the centurions and terminators (which have better proportions IMO)

Model with arms coming out of ears and one with legs coming out of rib cage has better proportions? Le what?

I love terminators, but yeah the armour looks very painful to wear and probably in need of surgical amputation to fit in.

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
After plenty of deliberation, and taking my queues from the centurions and terminators (which have better proportions IMO)

Model with arms coming out of ears and one with legs coming out of rib cage has better proportions? Le what?

I love terminators, but yeah the armour looks very painful to wear and probably in need of surgical amputation to fit in.

Well we are talking about a galactic empire that's so afraid of computers they basically use peoples heads torn from their bodies to make servitors for all basic computing.

Guys. I don't care about the Sisters, but this has me excited, nevertheless? You know why? Squats in Exo-Armor.

Rihgu wrote:
I spent about 30 seconds to size a normal sister model based on face (about 125% from the display picture looked right to me in the time I spent)

this is the result

Spoiler:

If this is accurate, this model is a lot bigger than I thought it was. It will also fix most of my objections because then the pilot would fit in the model, even if in a less than optimal for comfort position. The sacrifices one must make for the God-Emperor.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Guys. I don't care about the Sisters, but this has me excited, nevertheless? You know why? Squats in Exo-Armor.

Oh crap, a friend just introduced me to appleseed recently (meh)! Is that a real picture? I'm decidedly "i don't know" on the issue.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
My question is: Would SoB players have been happier with this, or a plastic Repressor? Replace something that was taken away, or get something new?

Would largely depend on what the repressor looked like...

There is something to be said about waiting over a decade for a genuinely new unit and then receiving something that makes you wish for the old days when you'd get rules for things without models...

Shorten the arms perhaps. A more dynamic post to hide the legs. Perhaps just pull it all in and make a terminator depending on how the model fits together.

I personally don't like it because I find the legs jarring. While I think the legs are fine for the mech as a whole, they are modeled in a way that just makes the pilot look like she has really massive legs.

I won't say this is the dumbest model ever, but it certainly draws from some ODD sources. Dreadknight, Centurion, and the new Dreadnaught suit thing. Nothing of these really speak to the Sisters Schtick. Call me old fashioned, but I don't get or understand where GW wants to go with their recent ideas. This, the ATVs, the Eradicators. Very confused.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
...This...

(Infinity TAGs)

...the ATVs...

(Small children making Lego minis)

...the Eradicators...

(If they just make another Devastator kit like the Hellblasters with three kinds of meltaguns we may notice they're slowly turning Devastators into one whole unit for each heavy weapon option with three superficially-different versions of the gun, put it in Gravis armour and we won't notice they should just have stuck to the Devastators. Next up: Phobos armour with three different kinds of flamers!)

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I won't say this is the dumbest model ever, but it certainly draws from some ODD sources. Dreadknight, Centurion, and the new Dreadnaught suit thing. Nothing of these really speak to the Sisters Schtick. Call me old fashioned, but I don't get or understand where GW wants to go with their recent ideas. This, the ATVs, the Eradicators. Very confused.

This, my friend, is from an anime called appleseed.

Like many japanese stories, it is a story. But the legs fitting into the big legs but the scrawny arms sitting just below the mechanical arms? That's appleseed.


My apologies for this one, you have to click the link to see the picture it seems :(

But yeah, this isn't some 'bold new direction'. This is what, the 90s? Appleseed fans please correct me.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but this isn't Appleseed, it's 40k. I don't think there is much cross over in those demos, but I don't know manga, so I am likely wrong. Is there a secret contingent in the writing staff that secretly loves anime? OMG THE TAU WRITERS HAVE TAKEN OVER....

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but this isn't Appleseed, it's 40k. I don't think there is much cross over in those demos, but I don't know manga, so I am likely wrong. Is there a secret contingent in the writing staff that secretly loves anime? OMG THE TAU WRITERS HAVE TAKEN OVER....

I'm not beeching or moaning. I'm just showing you were these concepts came from. Add more skulls, sure. But its a google image, i'm pretty sure it doesn't have a virus. Just look at it, and tell me what you think. This came out in what the 90s? the noughts?

edit: yeah, without involving red space socialist communist tau infiltrators, just look at the picture and tell me what you think.

Appleseed and ghost in the shell (by the same author) were created in the 80s and have external armoured pilot arms (and sometimes heads) since then.

I'm unsure if they were the first to depict this particular design, but they certainly popularised it.

Should've been Terminator armour. The Pentient Engine 'makes sense' insofar as, it doesn't, but strapping a drugged up nutjob who's supposed to die as penance anyway makes... well, it looks horrific and certainly is a death sentence.

The Nemesis Nun (K)Night by comparison just feels really... dumb-er? Especially now GW seem to be pushing Sisters as being the female equivalent of Marines more explicitly, I'm sure the Ecclesiarchy as the dosh to pay for some suits of Terminator armour.

 Torga_DW wrote:

But yeah, this isn't some 'bold new direction'. This is what, the 90s? Appleseed fans please correct me.

The manga is late 80s (85-89?). But the overall look doesn't really match up.

The human control arms for the robot arms isn't unique to (or even necessarily start with) Appleseed. The power loader from Aliens was 1986, with a similar setup. And Cameron based that on a short film he did in the late 70s (Xenogenesis), though the machine wasn't humanoid- the woman sat inside; but the controls are similar- raised hand grips attached to bars to move limbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KpZRJ4HE4Q (about 9:00).

Its entirely possible that the designers were inspired by appleseed, but its long enough ago now that the current designers could have been inspired one of several things and thought it was the 'original.'

Voss wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:

But yeah, this isn't some 'bold new direction'. This is what, the 90s? Appleseed fans please correct me.

The manga is late 80s (85-89?). But the overall look doesn't really match up.

The human control arms for the robot arms isn't unique to (or even necessarily start with) Appleseed. The power loader from Aliens was 1986, with a similar setup. And Cameron based that on a short film he did in the late 70s (Xenogenesis), though the machine wasn't humanoid- the woman sat inside; but the controls are similar- raised hand grips attached to bars to move limbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KpZRJ4HE4Q (about 9:00).

Its entirely possible that the designers were inspired by appleseed, but its long enough ago now that the current designers could have been inspired one of several things and thought it was the 'original.'

Good point. Fashion recycles, this could have too. This isn't the hill i want to die on, but like i said i saw a version of appleseed within the last 6 months and it looks very similar to me. What the designers were thinking after the nemesis baby carrier? I don't know. But the first thing i thought when i saw that sob walker was: oh, appleseed. Take as you will.

I guess the big thing for me is that the Appleseed suits are actually designed to enclose the pilot, with a mechanical head for the armor., and the style of the limbs and shoulder pods is very different.

They pop it open a lot, but the pilot isn't exposed in normal operation.
http://newtype-uc0079.blogspot.com/2009/07/review-hot-toys-120-appleseed-saga-ex.html



The big similarity is 'Oh, wow, her poor legs...'

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Its heavily different to me, just b.c its a close idea doesn't mean its the same in looks, feel, proportions, style, etc...

The GW one has fixed guns on the top, its very top heavy, limited head room and visibility, so you have to sit upright at all times and face anything you are shooting at. The legs are not in a way to be dynamic at all, the feet can not grip anything and are just flat with a camel toe making it not ideal to even walk in a war setting. The shoulders are wide and tall meaning you'll be shot at more int he upper 1/2 making it harder to handle the movements.

Yes these are all "real world" but they to me didnt even care that the game is about war and they just want a statue on the battlefield. When you look at the Repentia and even Mortifiers (which are also odd to me but better at least) they seem to seem better.

But remember i am also a painter, modeler, hobbyist before a gamer. So the looks of models matters to me.

fair enought but can i point you to our old friend the boxnaught? This sister model seems much more practical than the dread.

And I hate those models too. The old Dreads are terrible, i always hated their legs and looks.

My suspension of disbelief can handle the thigh gap, but the exposed head and arms...

Seriously, just shoot them in the face. Or arms. All that extra armor and mechanics easily rendered useless with minor firepower. Should have a rule where if an enemy hits it on a 6 they roll to wound against T3 and instant death the thing on success. It's just so gratingly stupid and made more so by how many dam times it's happened.

Centurions were miles better than this. At least they had the exposed parts in the BACK. At least the dreadknight pilot was a space marine in terminator armor with accompanying force field. At least goddam Murderfang didn't have his arm circuits exposed ready to be disabled by anyone with wire cutters. Yeah, to me these things are dumber than Murderfang.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
My suspension of disbelief can handle the thigh gap, but the exposed head and arms...

Seriously, just shoot them in the face. Or arms. All that extra armor and mechanics easily rendered useless with minor firepower. Should have a rule where if an enemy hits it on a 6 they roll to wound against T3 and instant death the thing on success. It's just so gratingly stupid and made more so by how many dam times it's happened.

Centurions were miles better than this. At least they had the exposed parts in the BACK. At least the dreadknight pilot was a space marine in terminator armor with accompanying force field. At least goddam Murderfang didn't have his arm circuits exposed ready to be disabled by anyone with wire cutters. Yeah, to me these things are dumber than Murderfang.

You know that there is a helmet option for the head do you? It was shown in the video with the different weapon options. 40K combattant without helmets are generally stupid in my opinion since they fight in the age of the shrapnel and a variety of other weapon of the type yet it seems like even Primarchs like Guilliman go into battlefield with nothing to protect their precious brain. All in all, provided you model the Paragon Armors with helmets they will look like credible light walker/ heavy armor designed for close combat firefight and combat and fairly mobile.

PS: that's also considering it doesn't have some form of force field protection like a rosarius.

I mean if we want to talk about suspension of disbelief then terminators would probably be liquified inside their armor against weapons that don't even penetrate. It seems like a terrible metric to judge the setting.

I'll likely never buy these models, but they look cool enough to me that I will enjoy blowing them up.

 Insectum7 wrote:

The boxnaught has knees, the pilot just doesnt use their meatknees to pilot them.

No. It doesn't. It has ankles and hips. No knees (and no way to bring the centre of its mass over just one leg to even lift one of them to walk).

To find the knee joint behind the top of the shin armour

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
My suspension of disbelief can handle the thigh gap, but the exposed head and arms...

Seriously, just shoot them in the face. Or arms. All that extra armor and mechanics easily rendered useless with minor firepower. Should have a rule where if an enemy hits it on a 6 they roll to wound against T3 and instant death the thing on success. It's just so gratingly stupid and made more so by how many dam times it's happened.

Centurions were miles better than this. At least they had the exposed parts in the BACK. At least the dreadknight pilot was a space marine in terminator armor with accompanying force field. At least goddam Murderfang didn't have his arm circuits exposed ready to be disabled by anyone with wire cutters. Yeah, to me these things are dumber than Murderfang.

Whilst your log isn’t awful, this applies to every Space Marine character / sergeant ever. Odd to only find fault now.

Also Centurions always looked like crud. Terrible proportions, design and the helmets were naff. Nah, can’t go along with ya there.