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I don't have the necron codex, but will mind wipe be able to nerf some of the RP buffs of certain units? Also, is my will be done an aura ability or a buff?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I don't have the necron codex, but will mind wipe be able to nerf some of the RP buffs of certain units? Also, is my will be done an aura ability or a buff?

Aura: A rule that is classified as an aura can affect multiple models or units that meet its criteria and are within a set distance of the model it is on (including that model itself).

My Will Be Done only affects a single unit, so it's not an aura. In 9E codexes those abilities are labelled with (Aura), like Relentless March.

 Spreelock wrote:
I like the psychic powers as a tactical asset in game, really useful utility tool. As for the fire discipline, I was not expecting the change of the super doctrine, perhaps something simple would have been welcome. The 5+ to hit when firing into close combat should definately been a tau-thing.

From the teaser article yesterday the footnoot implies that the Superdoctrine will change as the Doctrine in effect changes. The one teased yesterday is in effect when the Tactical Doctrine is in effect, so it is likely that there will be aspects for the Devastator and Assault Doctrines. This is positive, since the original DA one was made pretty much irrelevant when they changed how Doctrines work.

The box with the dread seems one I could go for since it complements more my force than the previous ones.

As for the storm speeder I would love to strip the top and convert to add a unit of reivers dropping down in dynamic poses. Not its purpose but thats how I see them.

tneva82 wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The mortal wounds only work on Fallen and Heretic astartes also, making it fairly niche, great against DG but otherwise meh. Good relic upgrade against them, but you're left with just a power maul or crozius when not playing them with a small buff that isn't worth spending your relic on.

Which since you choose relics list making turns relic into useless unless meta becomes like 90% heretic astartes.

I mean it basically gives a Smashplain a Power Fist without the hit penalty. There's SOME value to that but not a lot compared to the regular Crozius relic they can get.

 NAVARRO wrote:
The box with the dread seems one I could go for since it complements more my force than the previous ones.

As for the storm speeder I would love to strip the top and convert to add a unit of reivers dropping down in dynamic poses. Not its purpose but thats how I see them.

damn, that would look good

That's a solid enough combat patrol if you can get it at a discount, and sell of the upgrade sprue to someone that wants them. I don't have one of the new dreads yet and I could always add another three inceptors.

Does anyone know if the Inceptors and Dread are ETB kits? The intercessors don't look like ETB ones or Dark Imperium ones as these have autobolters.

I doubt they are, the other Combat Patrol boxes are all full multipart kits and ETB kits have been discontinued

 xttz wrote:
I doubt they are, the other Combat Patrol boxes are all full multipart kits and ETB kits have been discontinued

Thanks, I thought they might keep the ETBs or Dark Imperium sprues for combat patrols like it appears they're doing for the Death Guard release.

The ETB Dreadnought only has the Onslaught Gatling Cannon, while the picture for the Combat Patrol has the Plasma. From that I deduce that the Combat Patrol box has the multi-part Redemptor. The Intercessors in the photo are the ones from the multi-part kit. The Inceptors look like the multi-part kit as well, but I'm not sure on them.

Looks like the full kit, they have the little u-shaped bits around the gun barrels.

I play DA. These rules look boring. Totally uninspired (typical of GW).



And now every character is packing a Heavenfall Blade? Only Azzy, Sammy and Bell have/had those. 'Cause they're special. Sheesh.

Yeah, no. This is not boring at all, besides, we haven't see the bonuses to RW and DW yet. I'm really liking what I'm seeing so far.

 bullyboy wrote:
Yeah, no. This is not boring at all, besides, we haven't see the bonuses to RW and DW yet. I'm really liking what I'm seeing so far.

For you, perhaps. I see the same issues we've had since 6th.

Judging by the Index, DW can remain fun, very sturdy and particularly effective in the objective games.

I can at least see uses for all the stratagems shown so far, unlike the last codex where everything was page filler around WftDA and a couple others. Greenwing seem to be shaping up as an anvil, while Deathwing & Ravenwing will probably be the hammer.

I wonder if the book will let you run Ravenwing or Deathwing armies without the need for regular DA Marines?

I can't image they would add a rule preventing it.

 alextroy wrote:
I can't image they would add a rule preventing it.

Unless I'm missing something, they can't currently do that, so they wouldn't need to prevent it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the book will let you run Ravenwing or Deathwing armies without the need for regular DA Marines?

Well in a technical kinda of way you can. It just costs a lot of CP, No ObSec and a generally poorly constructed list. You just take either a Vanguard or Outrider Detachments instead of Patrol or Battalion. This big issue is I don't see that working out well for a bunch of reasons on how 9th ed works.

A rule for each granting their iconic unit Obsec and refunding the CP if the Warlord is in their respective specialist Detachment is possible.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the book will let you run Ravenwing or Deathwing armies without the need for regular DA Marines?

Well in a technical kinda of way you can. It just costs a lot of CP, No ObSec and a generally poorly constructed list. You just take either a Vanguard or Outrider Detachments instead of Patrol or Battalion. This big issue is I don't see that working out well for a bunch of reasons on how 9th ed works.

Using the 9th Ed Index you can absolutely rock a Deathwing army.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the book will let you run Ravenwing or Deathwing armies without the need for regular DA Marines?

Well in a technical kinda of way you can. It just costs a lot of CP, No ObSec and a generally poorly constructed list. You just take either a Vanguard or Outrider Detachments instead of Patrol or Battalion. This big issue is I don't see that working out well for a bunch of reasons on how 9th ed works.

Using the 9th Ed Index you can absolutely rock a Deathwing army.

My concern is how well does that Deathwing armies work in the context of what 9th ed wants armies to do to win. I have no doubts that a Deathwing army can kill, but that isn't really how I have seen 9th ed working. My concerns are that Deathwing are too slow without Land Raiders and don't have enough assets with Land Raiders. I think they will also suffer with even more with Primaries not having Obsec in addition to being slow. However, I don't know all the ins-and-outs of both Dark Angels and 9th ed to have more than concerns.

So I think it is easy enough to go double Vanguard Detachments (maybe even a single Vanguard) to have an all Deathwing army. I have concerns that the army will be missing critical components to accomplish what 9th edition asks of it.

Did Dreads get the benefit on only being wounded on a 4+? I can't remember.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did Dreads get the benefit on only being wounded on a 4+? I can't remember.

no, just infantry

 bullyboy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did Dreads get the benefit on only being wounded on a 4+? I can't remember.

no, just infantry

Yeah thanks for the reminder. Doesn't make a damn lick of sense.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
I can't image they would add a rule preventing it.

Unless I'm missing something, they can't currently do that, so they wouldn't need to prevent it.

Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the book will let you run Ravenwing or Deathwing armies without the need for regular DA Marines?

Well in a technical kinda of way you can. It just costs a lot of CP, No ObSec and a generally poorly constructed list. You just take either a Vanguard or Outrider Detachments instead of Patrol or Battalion. This big issue is I don't see that working out well for a bunch of reasons on how 9th ed works.

Nothing kinda technical about it. You could absolutely run a Ravenwing (Outrider Detachment) or Deathwing (Vanguard Detachment) army in with the 8th Edition Dark Angels Codex or the 9th Edition Index Dark Angels. If you are hoping for some magic rule that give you a CP refund like you would get for a Patrol/Battalion/Brigade, I wouldn't hold your breath. The only armies to get such a thing are the Knights and Drukari. I expect they will do Drukari differently in 9th Edition given the hard cap on detachments.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the book will let you run Ravenwing or Deathwing armies without the need for regular DA Marines?

Unless they add some new restriction that will be possible. Odds of new random restriction not shown in index: miniscule.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the book will let you run Ravenwing or Deathwing armies without the need for regular DA Marines?

You can do that, and it is supported by the rules of the supplement.

You will start with less CP, but you can make Deathwing and Ravenwing into objective secured.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 xttz wrote:
I doubt they are, the other Combat Patrol boxes are all full multipart kits and ETB kits have been discontinued

Thanks, I thought they might keep the ETBs or Dark Imperium sprues for combat patrols like it appears they're doing for the Death Guard release.

They aren’t the ETB Plague Marines in the combat patrol it’s the normal kit.

Unless you mean the Poxwalkers? But that’s not their ETB kit either, though it is the monopose ones that were in DI.
But bear in mind that’s just a normal on sale kit now.