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Couple of key points:
1. I love how absurdly specific the requirements are for a Lieutenant to get the upgrade. Probably has nothing to do with the new one they released and want you to get. Nope, not at all.
2. They specifically mention at the end that you should use it if you want to make your Primaris Captain even more durable. So Deathwing are probably keeping their wounded only on a 4+ rule. This makes them harder to wound with a Lascannon than Iron Hands and Death Guard Terminators, even though Dark Angels aren't even KNOWN for durability. Ya know, for reasons.

Yeah, the lieutenant is hilarious. Don't put down the storm shield, or you get kicked out of Mickey Mouse club. You better sleep with that thing, or they'll take the secrets away.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Couple of key points:
1. I love how absurdly specific the requirements are for a Lieutenant to get the upgrade. Probably has nothing to do with the new one they released and want you to get. Nope, not at all.
.

It's not about buying the new guy, it's simply about allowing those with the Indomitus set using the like-themed models in a unified force. bladeguard and bladeguard ancient already have deathwing keyword. The captain can get the deathwing keyword. It goes to figure that the Lt in the set, that has the same theme, can also have access to the DW keyword (unlike Joe blow Lt in power armour)

 bullyboy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Couple of key points:
1. I love how absurdly specific the requirements are for a Lieutenant to get the upgrade. Probably has nothing to do with the new one they released and want you to get. Nope, not at all.
.

It's not about buying the new guy, it's simply about allowing those with the Indomitus set using the like-themed models in a unified force. bladeguard and bladeguard ancient already have deathwing keyword. The captain can get the deathwing keyword. It goes to figure that the Lt in the set, that has the same theme, can also have access to the DW keyword (unlike Joe blow Lt in power armour)

They didn't have to be quite so specific though, did they?
I mean, they could have left the requirements open so that converted lieutenants could get the upgrade, while still allowing folks to use the lieutenant from Indomitus.
The growing restrictions on unit options is a pretty saddening trend in my opinion. I liked the old days when I could mix and match across the space marine units.

 bullyboy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Couple of key points:
1. I love how absurdly specific the requirements are for a Lieutenant to get the upgrade. Probably has nothing to do with the new one they released and want you to get. Nope, not at all.
.

It's not about buying the new guy, it's simply about allowing those with the Indomitus set using the like-themed models in a unified force. bladeguard and bladeguard ancient already have deathwing keyword. The captain can get the deathwing keyword. It goes to figure that the Lt in the set, that has the same theme, can also have access to the DW keyword (unlike Joe blow Lt in power armour)

It absolutely IS about buying the new guy that officially has the Storm Shield. You're not serious are you?

I can partly see the understanding of it, the bladeguard lieutenant is officially the only first company lieutenant model (or it is meant to be that way in theory at least, I know keywords may not state that).

They don't want phobos lieutenants becoming deathwing, and officially standard intercessor vibe lieutenants are also not allowed as they don't have Intercessors in the deathwing either.

It's a bit ham fisted how they have gone about it, but like I said, I can sort of see why. Shame you can only have one specific lieutenant in the deathwing though, unless there is an option for a deathwing terminator lieutenant.

At least this restriction has a basis in lore - among Primaris Marines, only Bladeguard are part of the Deathwing/Inner Circle. For firstborn, there's the Deathwing Strikemaster.

Yeah, for all fluff purposes the "Primaris Litenaunt with Stormshield" is exactly the same as "Bladeguard Primaris Lieutenant". And I doubt many people would say that limitation is stupid.

Notice how there is a Deathwing Terminator Squad, Terminator Squad and Terminator Assault squad stated in the 1st company? I wonder if the point cost may be different for the specific DW terminator squad...

 Argive wrote:
Anyone else noticed the absolute terrible pic?

It looks like a a 8 year old let loose with photoshop for the first time..


They couldn't even be bothered to actually get those three models onto the same board and take a pic...
Dunno what it is but it just jarrs the hell out of me.

There's 2 pictures in that article that are hilariously bad! I don't know what went on there but I want to see them in a book

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Couple of key points:
1. I love how absurdly specific the requirements are for a Lieutenant to get the upgrade. Probably has nothing to do with the new one they released and want you to get. Nope, not at all.
.

It's not about buying the new guy, it's simply about allowing those with the Indomitus set using the like-themed models in a unified force. bladeguard and bladeguard ancient already have deathwing keyword. The captain can get the deathwing keyword. It goes to figure that the Lt in the set, that has the same theme, can also have access to the DW keyword (unlike Joe blow Lt in power armour)

It absolutely IS about buying the new guy that officially has the Storm Shield. You're not serious are you?

You're talking out your arse, mate. I just outlined the reason for you clearly. Bladeguard are new to the ranks of the Deathwing. That specific model is a part of the whole Bladeguard theme, along with the Ancient and Captain. It would have been stranger to not give him the option of Deathwing keyword. They obviously don't want all Lts to be able to be in deathwing (because they're not), and you know GWs schtick is no model, no rules, so conversions are right out.
It's kind of odd that you think it's about buying that model, when you literally can't unless it's ina starter set of some kind.

 Argive wrote:
Anyone else noticed the absolute terrible pic?

It looks like a a 8 year old let loose with photoshop for the first time..

They couldn't even be bothered to actually get those three models onto the same board and take a pic...
Dunno what it is but it just jarrs the hell out of me.

This is most likely because no one is actually at the GW HQ in the UK. They have been under lockdown for a while now. The guys that typically take army pictures of new products and such probably can't get to the studio to actually get the models and pose them for pictures. So they are left with digital image files of studio painters taking pictures of the models from their homes, and then photo shopping the image. As to the quality of the final image... Not too good. Certainly not worthy of a professional digital artist.

I am more excited than ever for my Dark Angels! They were my first army and these days I've got almost twice as much of them as all my other armies combined. Unlike some of the inevitable "bandwagon" DA players that will be coming out of the woodwork soon, I can say I was playing DA before it was cool.

I'm totally looking forward to running an all-Ravenwing army. I've wanted to for years, but before I didn't have the models, then 8th hit and it was made so that running pure RW would gimp you way too hard. Now, it looks like it's our time to shine!

Is it just me, or does the Primario Kart look like it should've beached itself on the rubble it is meant to be driving over?

What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

 Davespil wrote:
What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

They are already Core, but you will not be able to have more than 3 since they are not Troops. That won't change as this is a supplement to the codex, not a stand alone. They can get Obsec, but that's about it.

Ok, so for those complaining about Primaris having to have a stormshield I would just like to point out that its possible GW think DW knights (you know, what with them being MASTERS in training and all) are ranked above them? It may be a case of "get used to the wargear you'll be using for a while sort of thing? especially now DWK have a WS of 2+ i think GW see Knights as a select group of lieutenants from which future officers will be recruited?

P.s. It may also be because the DW have such nice rules now (and it seems they want to lean hard into the hard to kill thing) that there has to be some sort of drawback? (OHH woah is me, I am forced to take a stormshield.ooo...)

 bullyboy wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

They are already Core, but you will not be able to have more than 3 since they are not Troops. That won't change as this is a supplement to the codex, not a stand alone. They can get Obsec, but that's about it.

They get Obsec and if your warlord is from the detachment its command benefit is changed to +3, which they added so you could take an outrider detachment as if it were a battalion detachment. So you can take 6 Outrider Squads, but not more than 3 models per unit sadly.

 M0ff3l wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

They are already Core, but you will not be able to have more than 3 since they are not Troops. That won't change as this is a supplement to the codex, not a stand alone. They can get Obsec, but that's about it.

They get Obsec and if your warlord is from the detachment its command benefit is changed to +3, which they added so you could take an outrider detachment as if it were a battalion detachment. So you can take 6 Outrider Squads, but not more than 3 models per unit sadly.

They're talking about the rule of 3.

 Eldarain wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

 Davespil wrote:
What are the odds that Outriders will become core and I can more than 3?

They are already Core, but you will not be able to have more than 3 since they are not Troops. That won't change as this is a supplement to the codex, not a stand alone. They can get Obsec, but that's about it.

They get Obsec and if your warlord is from the detachment its command benefit is changed to +3, which they added so you could take an outrider detachment as if it were a battalion detachment. So you can take 6 Outrider Squads, but not more than 3 models per unit sadly.

They're talking about the rule of 3.

Ah right, forgot about that one

 bullyboy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Couple of key points:
1. I love how absurdly specific the requirements are for a Lieutenant to get the upgrade. Probably has nothing to do with the new one they released and want you to get. Nope, not at all.
.

It's not about buying the new guy, it's simply about allowing those with the Indomitus set using the like-themed models in a unified force. bladeguard and bladeguard ancient already have deathwing keyword. The captain can get the deathwing keyword. It goes to figure that the Lt in the set, that has the same theme, can also have access to the DW keyword (unlike Joe blow Lt in power armour)

It absolutely IS about buying the new guy that officially has the Storm Shield. You're not serious are you?

You're talking out your arse, mate. I just outlined the reason for you clearly. Bladeguard are new to the ranks of the Deathwing. That specific model is a part of the whole Bladeguard theme, along with the Ancient and Captain. It would have been stranger to not give him the option of Deathwing keyword. They obviously don't want all Lts to be able to be in deathwing (because they're not), and you know GWs schtick is no model, no rules, so conversions are right out.
It's kind of odd that you think it's about buying that model, when you literally can't unless it's ina starter set of some kind.

Buying the model = buying the starter set. You can try to get around it all you want, but they want you to get that model in particular if you want certain benefits to playing Deathwing. It's ridiculous and nobody cares about what you say with themes.

Nobody cares about the truth? Back under your bridge, troll!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Buying the model = buying the starter set. You can try to get around it all you want, but they want you to get that model in particular if you want certain benefits to playing Deathwing. It's ridiculous and nobody cares about what you say with themes.

The storm shield Lieutenant was only in Indomitus, which is discontinued and has been removed from the GW website. retracted, I looked at the other two starter sets

Strange how the rules for the captain don't require a storm shield when one of those models is in the other starter sets. Almost as if this isn't some sneaky conspiracy after all!

Of course a Dark Angels player could just convert one of the many readily available Lieutenant models to use one of the many other easily available space marine storm shields that litter bits boxes across the globe?

While a little clunky, the rule here makes a lot of sense when you consider that without the wargear requirement it would leave the door open for Deathwing Reiver Lieutenants or Deathwing Phobos Lieutenants. That's before you even consider any new models that could very plausibly show up before DA get another book update. Releasing new Lieutenant models is literally a meme at this point, and as cool as it would look I reckon Deathwing Outrider Lieutenants might end up being a little bit broken.

Storm shield Lt and royal warden are in the recruit edition starter, aka the why would you ever buy a box of necron warriors when $5 more gets you the starter box

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Buying the model = buying the starter set. You can try to get around it all you want, but they want you to get that model in particular if you want certain benefits to playing Deathwing. It's ridiculous and nobody cares about what you say with themes.

The storm shield Lieutenant was only in Indomitus, which is discontinued and has been removed from the GW website. retracted, I looked at the other two starter sets

Strange how the rules for the captain don't require a storm shield when one of those models is in the other starter sets. Almost as if this isn't some sneaky conspiracy after all!

Of course a Dark Angels player could just convert one of the many readily available Lieutenant models to use one of the many other easily available space marine storm shields that litter bits boxes across the globe?

While a little clunky, the rule here makes a lot of sense when you consider that without the wargear requirement it would leave the door open for Deathwing Reiver Lieutenants or Deathwing Phobos Lieutenants. That's before you even consider any new models that could very plausibly show up before DA get another book update. Releasing new Lieutenant models is literally a meme at this point, and as cool as it would look I reckon Deathwing Outrider Lieutenants might end up being a little bit broken.

And we care about Deathwing keyword Reiver Lieutenants why?

angryboy2k wrote:
They didn't have to be quite so specific though, did they?

Have you seen the Death Guard Codex?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Spoiler:

 xttz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Buying the model = buying the starter set. You can try to get around it all you want, but they want you to get that model in particular if you want certain benefits to playing Deathwing. It's ridiculous and nobody cares about what you say with themes.

The storm shield Lieutenant was only in Indomitus, which is discontinued and has been removed from the GW website. retracted, I looked at the other two starter sets

Strange how the rules for the captain don't require a storm shield when one of those models is in the other starter sets. Almost as if this isn't some sneaky conspiracy after all!

Of course a Dark Angels player could just convert one of the many readily available Lieutenant models to use one of the many other easily available space marine storm shields that litter bits boxes across the globe?

While a little clunky, the rule here makes a lot of sense when you consider that without the wargear requirement it would leave the door open for Deathwing Reiver Lieutenants or Deathwing Phobos Lieutenants. That's before you even consider any new models that could very plausibly show up before DA get another book update. Releasing new Lieutenant models is literally a meme at this point, and as cool as it would look I reckon Deathwing Outrider Lieutenants might end up being a little bit broken.

And we care about Deathwing keyword Reiver Lieutenants why?

Because your position appears to be that the only reason for this rule is to drive someone to purchase a starter set, regardless of other potential reasons.

Reasons such as the thematic one brought up by xttz, where the Bladeguard appear to be the only Primaris who have made it into the Deathwing, so preventing Deathwing upgrades from non-Bladeguard Lt's - such as the Reiver, Phobos and (theoretical) Outrider - mean that the theme is maintained.

I will say that the loadout of the Storm Shield Lt. is a touch restrictive, due to the neo-volkite doohickey, but it would seem fairly simple to convert a power sword Lieutenant (with pistol in holster) by adding a storm shield to the non-sword arm and having the pistol be in the holster. Heck, adding a storm shield to the backpack of the DA Lt. (if you get the upcoming Bladeguard box) is probably close enough, even without swapping the pistol, and that's before we consider using a Deathwing Knight shield. Alternatively, the generic Lt. with power sword would also be a suitable base model, if you (for some reason) didn't want to overdo the robes.

They could have just as easily said non-Phobos Lts, but they had to restrict it to one specific model.

Looks Ad Mech is coming after Dark Eldar

Good. Admech are in a pretty good place at the moment kit-wise with the upcoming Skitarii Tribune/Prime/Alpha. They just need a few tweaks here and there to touch up balance and bring some rules into line with the new paradigm, plus roll in all the Engine War stuff and add Crusade. I'm betting the Imperial Knights will be pulled out of the Admech codex though.

Warzone Charadon was Deathguard, Drukhari, Admech, and Imperial Knights, which fits this. Afterwards, we have previews of Ork and Sisters models, perhaps the start of another warzone.