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So if this stays the same as the index then you now have bladeguard with a 3+ save a 4++ invulnerable save who have a +1 to their save and can only be wounded on a 4+

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

I for one am looking forward to my fully separate codex supplement: iron warriors!

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
So if this stays the same as the index then you now have bladeguard with a 3+ save a 4++ invulnerable save who have a +1 to their save and can only be wounded on a 4+

+1 to the armour saving throw, specifically. But yes.

But they have to compete with terminators in the same slot, points, and similar abilities, but with a wider range of options.

 ph34r wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

I for one am looking forward to my fully separate codex supplement: iron warriors!

Do not inject me with such cruel false hope.

 Flipsiders wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

I for one am looking forward to my fully separate codex supplement: iron warriors!

Do not inject me with such cruel false hope.

There is nothing more fluffy than Iron Warriors not getting their due.

 ph34r wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

I for one am looking forward to my fully separate codex supplement: iron warriors!

We can dream, eh?

 Sasori wrote:

Any chance of a source?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

Uh this is not what the consolidation people asked for actually.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:


Any chance of a source?

It'll be one of the copies sent out early so people can post reviews tomorrow

That full melee rerolls throughout both players turns spell is crazy.

 Eldarain wrote:
That full melee rerolls throughout both players turns spell is crazy.

Didn't seem that OP in 8th edition..
It's good, as all the previews so far, but not game breaking

Perhaps it's the moshpit on objectives and super Blade guard that are colouring my reaction.

Seeing the 360 of the stormspeeder it looks much better to me. Most of the photos shown previously seem to be from the worst possible angle. Gunner still looks like he will be dead though-sandwiched between 2 jet engines and 2 HMGs/rocket launchers can’t be healthy.

Edit: Deathwing Strikemaster is back in the DA contents list

They're selling this sprue from Dark Imperium separately so that the Primaris Ancient is available again.

Huh, that is actually a nice suprise.

Edit: A nice surprise as I didn't expect them to release those.

£45 for 8 marines.... Ouch, I get it, there's a character tax but still.

I mentioned we were down to only a few kits needed to fill out the primaris line, one of them being an ancient.

I think the list now stands at:

*Gravis captain with the configuration from dark imperium (I think this won't be released though)
*Supressor multipart kit (may actually eventually come as a dual kit with the hellfuys that have been mentioned)
*Judicier kit
*Bladeguard Ancient (more on a technicality than anything)

After that, it's a case of starting the next batch of new/updates like finally getting primaris terminators etc.

I really hope the old DI sprues sell terribly and they drop the price.
Characters or not it's a bad deal for monopose kits

The DG one hilariously was one of the more easily found Conquest issues at £8 and now they want over £30 for it.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

Pft! Having separate supplement books isn't consolidation.

It's literally the same number of books as if they were all separate codexes.

Did anyone really think if they solidified all the chapters into one book they wouldn't still release these supplements ?

The proof was in the pudding when they first started doing supplements. Really all this did was cost the players of those marine armies more money and perhaps give us chances for even more marine releases than ever before.

I'm reminded of a quote to be careful what someone wishes for. Well now we got them all in one massive tome, as well as an army of supplements. This feels much better yes ?

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Did anyone really think if they solidified all the chapters into one book they wouldn't still release these supplements ?

The proof was in the pudding when they first started doing supplements. Really all this did was cost the players of those marine armies more money and perhaps give us chances for even more marine releases than ever before.

I'm reminded of a quote to be careful what someone wishes for. Well now we got them all in one massive tome, as well as an army of supplements. This feels much better yes ?

In some ways, yes. Never again suffering through the psychic snoozefest debacle where they laboriously apply the same update individually over and over again is a big plus. As is not having stupid crap where certain chapters are left out of equipment changes [storm shields] for an entire edition because reasons.

They could, very reasonably, do a 10e SM codex and not bother to update the supplements, because everything should point back to the main book. It probably won't happen that way, because the snowflakes want their cheddar and GW wants to sell them cheese, but the current system does actually lend itself to minimizing SM updates. It just requires SM consumers and GW to control their worst impulses. Faint hope, but theoretically doable

You assume we won't still see them release the updates to new units or additions through a slew of psychic awakening books again. I bet you we still will live through that again just so they can sell us book on book on book it just makes sense for them. This has done nothing but open the flood gate of even more marine releases and not less.

Sure, they could actually have this lead to less Marine releases and Governments could really do the best for the people and we will all love each other one day and treat each other as we wanted to be treated. Also possible but about as likely as GW getting off the space marine super bandwagon at this point.

As for expecting costumers to not buy it ? Lets be real, you see the same posts I do, the ones that say " I hate it, it's awful, it's robbery..I'll only by three units now ! Take that GW ! "

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
So we're at the point where the loyalist book is an 11 volume set. They're just taking up all the air in every element now.

Take it up with the consolidationist donkey-caves that couldn't stand different Codexes being different Codexes.

Don't, however, blame the people who play the Chapters - they didn't chose this.

Pft! Having separate supplement books isn't consolidation.

It's literally the same number of books as if they were all separate codexes.

More, because DA and BA players need TWO books for the privilege of playing with their toys.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
You assume we won't still see them release the updates to new units or additions through a slew of psychic awakening books again. I bet you we still will live through that again just so they can sell us book on book on book it just makes sense for them. This has done nothing but open the flood gate of even more marine releases and not less.

Its done nothing at all to the number of marine releases. It has just simplified rules updates by giving marines a USR book for the common datasheets and gear.
If GW wants to keep spamming SM releases, and people want to keep buying them, it does not matter how the book line is organized.

Blastaar wrote:More, because DA and BA players need TWO books for the privilege of playing with their toys.

Not what Damocles is referring to. Just that the 40k book line isn't increased or decreased just because the DA codex and BA codex are supplements now. They've co-existed with an SM book for as long as they've had separate books (as opposed to their shared one way back).

shabadoit wrote:
I really hope the old DI sprues sell terribly and they drop the price.

When has that ever happened with GW?

Eh I think the codex+supplement model works better. It allows chapters to get their special stuff, and not need to update four other books every time the main changes. Players who don't want to pay extra for a supplement don't have to--BA, DA, etc can still be played out of the main codex marines just fine.

Don't want to miss out on all that extra stuff? Well welcome to the alternative to supplements--you just don't get that content. It's where the rest of the game is, and from our perspective it seems pretty entitled to complain that having more stuff means paying more. At least marine players have a choice.

Wow. 20 head options for eradicators. And drilled out side vents for the melta barrels feels new.

Stormspeeder is also quite a bit cheaper than expected. I was budgeting for a kit priced like the gladiator or Impulsor.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wow. 20 head options for eradicators. And drilled out side vents for the melta barrels feels new.

Stormspeeder is also quite a bit cheaper than expected. I was budgeting for a kit priced like the gladiator or Impulsor.

Well, I'm having a hard time telling what the price is going to be. The Australia surcharge puts it at the same price as a Redemptor Dread or a (base) Land Raider [AUS$110], because those are the same price down there. Here they're $65 and $80 respectively. The former is the same price as the stalker, which is just AUS$85. Because GW.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wow. 20 head options for eradicators. And drilled out side vents for the melta barrels feels new.

Stormspeeder is also quite a bit cheaper than expected. I was budgeting for a kit priced like the gladiator or Impulsor.

Is that for a three man squad or six?

That’s for a 3 man squad! I suppose it’s extra heads to add variety to other gravis units?

Nah. It's 20 heads to ensure all 18 of your Eradicators have different heads