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2022/07/31 02:46:06
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
But that's because the Daemons roster is quite thin, and that's before you split it out into monogod lists.
They've stretched it pretty thing already - creating 'Exalted' versions of basic units, making basic unit leaders into Hero level characters, adding mortal units, and universal spawn/Furies - and it's still thin.
Voss wrote: I don't know. Its hard to imagine obsessing that much about faction identity in a property they don't know very well.
Given the amount of people I've seen saing "But Khorne only has one LL!"... no, DoC have 5 LLs. People need to stop thinking of the DoC LLs as completely separate factions.
I'm guessing people just saw daemons / daemon princes and assumed they'd be for the daemon factions, as that's the way TWW has worked so far.
I did play WHFB and had totally forgotten that Festus was in WoC instead of DoC, and Azazel, he wasn't even in the last WoC book, wasn't he squatted a couple of decades ago?
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Given the amount of people I've seen saing "But Khorne only has one LL!"... no, DoC have 5 LLs. People need to stop thinking of the DoC LLs as completely separate factions.
CA treats them as separate factions. If you play one of them, you can't confederate the others like you would be able to if they were the same faction. I believe CA also advertised the game as having 7+1 factions, a number you only get to by assuming they're different factions. CA isn't really bound by the structures outlined in previous WHFB armies books (which sometimes left a bit to be desired anyway).
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2022/07/31 03:59:11
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
I'm guessing people just saw daemons / daemon princes and assumed they'd be for the daemon factions, as that's the way TWW has worked so far.
Visit the total war forums for a bit to see the obsession in action. It has been a complete gakstorm 24/7 for quite a while now. (Partly why I just laugh when people complain about negativity on dakka- visit any video game company's forums for a bit)
I did play WHFB and had totally forgotten that Festus was in WoC instead of DoC, and Azazel, he wasn't even in the last WoC book, wasn't he squatted a couple of decades ago?
He (and other chaos characters) wandered off, yeah. But they did need more LLs to add anyway, and the chaos pool isn't actually very deep, especially when it comes to specific characters dedicated to specific gods. (and two of the major undivided characters are shorn off into the Norscan faction in TW). Valkia and Vilitch were obvious picks from the WoC books, as was Festus. For Slaanesh... who else would you pick?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Given the amount of people I've seen saing "But Khorne only has one LL!"... no, DoC have 5 LLs. People need to stop thinking of the DoC LLs as completely separate factions.
CA treats them as separate factions. If you play one of them, you can't confederate the others like you would be able to if they were the same faction. I believe CA also advertised the game as having 7+1 factions, a number you only get to by assuming they're different factions. CA isn't really bound by the structures outlined in previous WHFB armies books (which sometimes left a bit to be desired anyway).
CA treats them however its convenient (as should be obvious with the way warriors, marauders, forsaken and knights were divvied up between the monogod factions). The leadup to TW3 didn't advertise 7+1 factions, they were pretty quiet about it until campaign start screens starting showing up when their streamer stable started showing the game off. That's when it became clear it was 7 base factions. But again, its a matter of convenience. Prior to 3, they stuck pretty close to armies as they were in army books (with the baffling exception of orcs with spears, and a few FW odds-and-ends here and there, plus Norsca and Vampirates).
But it largely works out better this way. Its certainly more interesting if Archaeon, Sigvald, Kholek N'kari and Azael (etc, etc) all function differently. Even Belakor and Azael as daemons make more sense with easy access to mortals, because getting into the heads of people is kind of the whole deal for both of them. N'kari could have, but that would involve unique 'chaos elf' models more than anything else, because that's where his attention lies (and that would've been a lot of work, plus the balance problems of having a lot of archers in-faction)
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2022/07/31 06:59:33
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
I'm guessing people just saw daemons / daemon princes and assumed they'd be for the daemon factions, as that's the way TWW has worked so far.
Visit the total war forums for a bit to see the obsession in action. It has been a complete gakstorm 24/7 for quite a while now. (Partly why I just laugh when people complain about negativity on dakka- visit any video game company's forums for a bit)
Fair enough, I don't follow the TW forums.
2022/07/31 08:50:18
Subject: Re:Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I would have liked Egrimm van Horstmann. I used to love that model. Seems odd he isn't there, considering it seemed like they were showing that in one of the cinematics.
I wonder if they decided against a Chaos Dragon because they already have so many races with dragons.
I wonder if they decided against a Chaos Dragon because they already have so many races with dragons.
I'm confused.
Are you suggesting that there's something like a limit on the number of dragons one can have? That there is potentially such a concept as "too many dragons?"
I wonder if they decided against a Chaos Dragon because they already have so many races with dragons.
I'm confused.
Are you suggesting that there's something like a limit on the number of dragons one can have? That there is potentially such a concept as "too many dragons?"
I'm not advocating it, but my assumption from a gameplay standpoint is that this was floated. Chaos dragons are cool as hell, especially Galrauch. Van Horstmann is an absolute baller, also aboard a chaos dragon. So why are they not included? My assumption, CA are weak willed and have indeed created the concept of too many dragons.
Or they are coming with DLC like Zombie Dragons other than mounts.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Voss wrote: I might be wrong, but with the way they do cinematics, the model needs to be somewhere in the game engine. So... future release?
I believe most are in-game-engine based. So if its in there then chances are they will have one appear in the future. As you say it could well be a future release such as DLC or free and such.
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2022/08/02 14:50:07
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
I think Valkia is going to blow me away. It was such an awesome mini for its time and seeing it brought to "life" is going to be pretty wild.
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2022/08/02 16:43:31
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
Not really sold on the 'twin.' (which iirc is actually Vilitch?) I think its mostly the lighting effects (particularly when its conjuring a spell in hand). But it looks like a cartoon ghost (like Casper) more than something real, made of flesh and blood and attached to the 'body' of the other.
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2022/08/02 18:37:24
Subject: Re:Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
nels1031 wrote: I think Valkia is going to blow me away. It was such an awesome mini for its time and seeing it brought to "life" is going to be pretty wild.
Agreed
None of the three so far revealed ever really interested me in the lore compared to others - Dechalla for Slaanesh, Tamakhan for Nurgle, Engrimm for Tzeentch. Oh well really just waiting for Neferata and her ladies
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Voss wrote: Not really sold on the 'twin.' (which iirc is actually Vilitch?) I think its mostly the lighting effects (particularly when its conjuring a spell in hand). But it looks like a cartoon ghost (like Casper) more than something real, made of flesh and blood and attached to the 'body' of the other.
This was after my time so I had to look it up. The manky worm is Vilitch and he makes a pact with Tzeentch because he's a weak bicth. And his brother the big lad becomes an mindless slave.
In the End Times the brother makes a pact with Tzeentch and the roles reverse and Vilitch is the one that becomes the mindless one.
So I wonder if there's perhaps two talent trees based on which one is in charge?
Most interesting thing is probably the generic chaos lord... on Chaos Dragon. (at about 2:00 in the video). And then loses it, of course, on ascending to a daemon prince (which gets to keep magical items, and doesn't get the customizable gifts of the Kevin the Daemon Prince. Expected but... mixed feelings there)
Stats for the DP are at 3:18. Armor's real bad, rest is ok. Skill tree is much more like a traditional lord, rather than the wretched thing Kevin got for his unique faction. Mix of Metal and Tzeentch spells (capping off with infernal gateway and transmutation of lead)
Interesting video, but its more informative about generic lords than Vilitch himself.
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2022/08/03 22:56:26
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
H.B.M.C. wrote: The items you get are generally more useful than the various mutations and whatnot Daniel can get, especially the higher level ones.
Oh, definitely. The daemon prince and gifts was/is kind of a mess. I liked it much more in theory than in implementation- it felt at least somewhat thematic, if imperfect. But in terms of game mechanics, it was garbage.
Similarly, I have the feeling that, statwise, you're better off keeping Chaos Lords and turning down daemonhood. And that's a little sad.
I was actually poking at a Nkari campaign a couple weeks ago (hoping to finish it before IE, because I think Nkari's start is pure hell, in the midst of a personal Ordertide. Unsurprisingly lost interest past the midgame. Its just too much un-fun cruft, despite having both Mao Yin and Katarin as vassals, which may actually make it impossible to win, unless the special Slaanesh vassalage can be broken. Also both Greasus and Kugath are hiding somewhere on the map with zero settlements, and I can't be asked to track them down), and for his quest battle, the pile of elven archers and particularly the sisters just shredded everything they touched, and the current Slaanesh roster has the same low armor problem. So going daemon prince with a generic lord may end up just being a loss.
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2022/08/04 03:32:50
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Road Map on April 29th
Might come down to the fact that Daemon Princes are very slow in the air, and the AI targets them with everything like the world depends on it, and they haven't the defences to stand up to that kind of incoming firepower.
They have very little armour (something items can mitigate somewhat, but something Daniel can't! ) and whilst barrier certainly helps, that's a Tzeentch only thing.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
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Hey everyone. So, as you know Immortal Empires is getting closer and closer with every passing day. Everyone here is working as hard as possible to make sure we have a smooth release. This week we won't have a dedicated Immortal Empires blog. I know I know!
That being said, what has been the most interesting article you've read regarding Immortal Empires and what would you like to hear more from?
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2022/08/05 13:29:05
Subject: Total War : Warhammer 3 - Immortal Empires + Champions of Chaos Aug 23
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
"She leaves nothing but death in her wake..." Is the headline in the new Total War teaser e-mail.
Who could it possibly be!??!?!
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2022/08/05 20:37:28
Subject: Re:Total War : Warhammer 3 - Immortal Empires + Champions of Chaos Aug 23
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm