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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
DoK also got the Morathi book. That was pretty significant in itself.

It can be as significant as you want. It amounted to one hero. :V

A new hero, revamped warscrolls for Morathi herself, new sub-faction, new battalion, and a Cities of Sigmar sub-faction that allows DoK to be included in it.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
A new hero, revamped warscrolls for Morathi herself, new sub-faction, new battalion, and a Cities of Sigmar sub-faction that allows DoK to be included in it.

Gee, I'm sure orks will love new ways to use their drinking age models. This is something that has been commented to death. Rules are extremely fleeting for gw, given they have a 3-year edition cycle nowadays. Kits and plastic are what the meat lies. And as the ork players around here said: "we want orks, not 6 variants of a buggie."

Lord Kragan wrote:
"we want orks, not 6 variants of a buggie."

Truer words have never been spoken.

May I add " I liked the regular buggy, anyway!"

I'm fairly sure no actual ork player said that.

Orks need characters, replacements for finecast models, an actual kopta kit and that's it.

Stay the feth away from our plastic models, no matter what age they are. They are decent as they are, and any remake would without doubt come with a whole slew of negatives.

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm fairly sure no actual ork player said that.

Okay, I'm positive he will be delighted to know he hasn't painted 200 boyz!

Genuine question from someone not an Ork player. But why the need for new Boyz?

So far as I can make out, the current kit offers all their options, though I think the Nobz’ equipment is limited to Powerklaw and Shoota.

To my eyes, the sculpts still hold up, so I’m wondering if I’m missing something, beyond the kit being a fair old age.

The Ork Boyz kit has an advantage that human or human like kits like Eldar don't have: Their proportions are all kind of weird, so unlike "human" proportions they don't see off to us even after 20 years. Those giant sized heads and hands that in cadians and old plastic eldar look like ass in the old orks look completely fine.

The ork boyz kit could probably go another 10 years without a change and it would still look fine alongside moder plastics.


Things like plastic kommandos, plastic characters, deffkoptas, etc... all of those are fine, but the actual ork plastic line, right now, is perfectly fine.

Orks need in plastic
Ork big mek w kff
Ork kommandos (probably snikrot variety)
Ork tankbustas
Deffkopta
Weirdboy (probably named snakebite variant)
Boss zagstrukk
Warboss on bike (named evil sun character variant)
Madboss grotsnik
Nob w banner

We won’t get even half of that but that’s the fine cast stuff we still have.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Genuine question from someone not an Ork player. But why the need for new Boyz?

So far as I can make out, the current kit offers all their options, though I think the Nobz’ equipment is limited to Powerklaw and Shoota.

To my eyes, the sculpts still hold up, so I’m wondering if I’m missing something, beyond the kit being a fair old age.

Yeah I have never understood fixation with new boyz. Not only you would likely get at least 20% price hike if not more you would lose poses as you would get 10 boyz all in same pose period. Might lose nob as well and also in rule if worst goes(GW doesn't do one model that can alternatively be nob). Convertability sinks. And other plastic options are pushed back. Boyz or tank busta? Which is more in demand for new plastic kit...

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm fairly sure no actual ork player said that.

Okay, I'm positive he will be delighted to know he hasn't painted 200 boyz!

While you're at it, ask him how he feels about painting another 200.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Genuine question from someone not an Ork player. But why the need for new Boyz?

"It'S sUcH aN oLd KiT!!1"

A new Boyz kit is a major "be careful what you wish for" request.

If they did it the box would have 10 models (rather than 11), and they'd all be in wonderfully dynamic poses that would start to look odd when bunched up in big hordes. Given some recent releases there may not even be enough parts to make them all Shoota Boyz or Slugga Boyz.

And they'd cost more!

The current Boyz are old, but they look good. New ones is a risk.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Genuine question from someone not an Ork player. But why the need for new Boyz?

So far as I can make out, the current kit offers all their options, though I think the Nobz’ equipment is limited to Powerklaw and Shoota.

To my eyes, the sculpts still hold up, so I’m wondering if I’m missing something, beyond the kit being a fair old age.

Most criticism seems to be stemming from people having an issue with the posture or those who somehow are offended by them sticking out their buts like the gorillas they are based on.
Usually the same people don't realize that lootaz, burnas, warbikers and some ork crew are based on the exact same model with the same posture.

Wild prediction based on the rumor engines: it's just plastic Kommandos and plastic Tankbustas.

Rokkit Hammer, Kommando Klaw, the wheel is gonna be just like a wheel hanging off of a tankbustas jacket or he's like replaced his leg with a wheel or something and you have to have one wheel-legged busta for every 5 you have.

I love the current boyz, and the basic sprue was recut not that long ago, so it's not like it's lagging in injection tech or anything.

I respect that some might not like the gorilla look, but it would be delusional to expect a resculpt would change that, there are too many kits for that.

I wouldn't exactly complain about a new Boyz recut if it added meaningful new parts, but it's not necessary. As others have said, what we need is moving finecast units like Tankbustas to plastic and covering units that are currently not available like Deffkoptas. If these come as a dual kit with a new unit, that's great.

Fingers crossed we don't get something dumb like 6 different monobuild dekkfopta variants tho.

I'm also completely happy with the current plastic Ork Boyz. They have everything that you could wish for, and if you want a Nob with some different equipment, you can get that in the Nob kit.

A plastic Tankbusta/Kommando kit would make me very happy, and I would easily buy multiple boxes.

A Deffkopta kit would also be very welcome!

I think it's a fairly safe bet that those would be two separate kits. The days of dual kits have gone by.

I'd probably still buy both, let's hope you need less than four boxes to make a unit.

Hmmm... dual kits are still a thing? The adeptus mechanicus horses and flying dudes, or the new slaanesh AoS chaos warriors, for example?

There’s also a long lead time in terms of GW’s design process, so any customer feedback (such as “we prefer dual kits where possible”) takes time to implement.

So yes, we have seen single kits which could’ve been dualled. The feedback from those wouldn’t be reflected for some time.

I liked the six types of buggies. Made me happy. Having to re-do all my Ork boyz because they brought a new kit that made the old ones look awful would not make me happy. I think the current boyz are ok and doubt they are a priority for a range that has non plastic squads still in it and scope for adding new squads quite easily. No need to explain where the new ORK types have been like with marines. They are just here now and there you go.

i'd certainly be sad to see a new boyz (or nobz) kit at todays prices,

replace the missing and finecast (or give us something new, or a blast from the past eg tinboyz or some snazzy cyborks)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Genuine question from someone not an Ork player. But why the need for new Boyz?

"It'S sUcH aN oLd KiT!!1"

A new Boyz kit is a major "be careful what you wish for" request.

If they did it the box would have 10 models (rather than 11), and they'd all be in wonderfully dynamic poses that would start to look odd when bunched up in big hordes. Given some recent releases there may not even be enough parts to make them all Shoota Boyz or Slugga Boyz.

And they'd cost more!

The current Boyz are old, but they look good. New ones is a risk.

I agree, but I worry more about the design rather than cost. So far new Orks for AoS and the Gorkamorka remake Ork are lucklaster- especially the noses and jawlines. Waaay too generic. Oh, and the buggy crew also don’t look appealing to me. I wish GW wouldn’t continue with that direction for the plastic kits such as Kommandos. Or at least designs with easy headswaps would be acceptable.
A new Boy kit, that stays true to the “originals” but with refined details would be grand.

Orks do suffer more than most races from GW's decision to put sharp edges on organic tissue.

 Galas wrote:
Hmmm... dual kits are still a thing? The adeptus mechanicus horses and flying dudes, or the new slaanesh AoS chaos warriors, for example?

yeah, but Kommandos and Tankbustas share basically no equipment, and would have to have separate arms. And personality-wise, their outfits would be very different. I doubt they'd give them the same kits.

Probably more likely that Kommandos and TBs get a bunch of zany unique equipment you can take 1 of optionally per squad, Plague Marine Style.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Genuine question from someone not an Ork player. But why the need for new Boyz?

"It'S sUcH aN oLd KiT!!1"

A new Boyz kit is a major "be careful what you wish for" request.

If they did it the box would have 10 models (rather than 11), and they'd all be in wonderfully dynamic poses that would start to look odd when bunched up in big hordes. Given some recent releases there may not even be enough parts to make them all Shoota Boyz or Slugga Boyz.

And they'd cost more!

The current Boyz are old, but they look good. New ones is a risk.

I agree, but I worry more about the design rather than cost. So far new Orks for AoS and the Gorkamorka remake Ork are lucklaster- especially the noses and jawlines. Waaay too generic. Oh, and the buggy crew also don’t look appealing to me. I wish GW wouldn’t continue with that direction for the plastic kits such as Kommandos. Or at least designs with easy headswaps would be acceptable.
A new Boy kit, that stays true to the “originals” but with refined details would be grand.

Man I had the opposite reaction to the buggy krew. I looked at the krew from the Boomdakka Snazzwagon like holy hell can I have a whole boyz kit made like this, these guys look incredible.

I don't consider the ork boyz kit good. They're not bad, I guess. Like, they fit the army, more than the tankbustas and resin kits. But they're terribly proportioned, with their gorilla butts jutting out. And they're also small. Orks should be way bigger, especially since we do have much larger sisters, space marines, etc these days.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I don't consider the ork boyz kit good. They're not bad, I guess. Like, they fit the army, more than the tankbustas and resin kits. But they're terribly proportioned, with their gorilla butts jutting out. And they're also small. Orks should be way bigger, especially since we do have much larger sisters, space marines, etc these days.

So, what is your opinion on lootas or warbikers?

Why are so many people desparate for things to be bigger? The Boyz are fine, and they're totally in proportion to other stuff – if anything, they were oversized in comparison to older Marines, Sisters etc.

I've no particular interest in an updated Boyz kit – I'd much rather see Finecast units updated, old units brought back (still crossing my fingers for a new Mega-armoured Warboss), or entirely new units.

Also, the cross-compatibity of the plastic Ork kits is one of the best things about the range, and if the Boyz kit changes, there's a risk *that* goes out the window.

I never saw it as them having their butts "jutting out" but more the gut and torso are pushed forward in an aggressive posture. Constantly. Like an ork would. As someone mentioned.. very gorilla like.

Also as an ork player.. isnt half the fun of collecting an army the ability to scratchbuild anything? I love using boyz as a "base" for limitless conversion potentials.

If a new codex does come out.. I just pray to Gork and Mork that burnas are... *puts on sunglasses* lit.

yyyyyeeeeeaaahhhhhhhhhh

 GaroRobe wrote:
I don't consider the ork boyz kit good. They're not bad, I guess. Like, they fit the army, more than the tankbustas and resin kits. But they're terribly proportioned, with their gorilla butts jutting out. And they're also small. Orks should be way bigger, especially since we do have much larger sisters, space marines, etc these days.

For most of us it's probably the biggest fear that Orks got the AoS Orruk (and, well, Primaris) route with some larger subspecies being shoehorned in and everything else is never updated again.

I really want to see new boyz for the simplest fact: ive started in 2004 with the exactly ork boyz we have today... i would really appreciate a change . I totally agree that they are still very good (i love them) and not too "out of place" compared to recent models, but this dont change the fact ive started my gw journey with them and i think it pretty sad that they are still the same, everyone deserve a update time to time lol.

Me, being mainly a collector or rather painter and converter, really enjoing work with that kit over the years but now im honestly bored, i really want to start 40k orks with something new. I also love gorkamorka and im having superfun making a sort of revival of it with most recent miniatures for diggas and some special characters... needless to say some new 40k ork would be amazing for this project.


BUT like someone said it is a real risk for many factors, everyone of us have different taste and expectation about them. We have seen a lot of different orks though the years and for me its like even gw dont know how to update them properly lol. New ghazzy could be a hint, his face very similar to the ironjawz one and a lot smaller and proportioned (compared to old boss and warboss) with the recent models. Even the gorkamorka special character could be a preview.

Personally i would really dislike bigger ork like ironjawz (i like them being ironjawz, but in 40k nah, too big for regular boyz) and a lot of the recent orks face doesnt appeal to me very much. But im glad to take the chance.

ps: my favourite orks though the years are the bloodbowl normal orc team, new boyz like them for my taste would be perfect

pps: after all this blabla i must admit i have very little hope we will see new boyz soon (years) and this make me really sad