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 vipoid wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A new vect model would be grand, but what the range needs, rather badly, is variety. Give jetbikes to archons, skyboards to succubi.

At this point I'll just be grateful if we get plastic Grotesques. That's how badly GW has treated Drukhari.

I thought we already had plastic grotesques?

Just for some reason GW perpetually mislabels them as Crypt Horrors.

There are plastic Wracks, but the Grotesques are still in resin.

You missed his joke　 crypt horrors

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A new vect model would be grand, but what the range needs, rather badly, is variety. Give jetbikes to archons, skyboards to succubi.

I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Hey Games Workshop, I don't mind if you want to slip us one of those ol' Necron Cryptek Arcana lists full of vaguely defined, ahem, "special invisible wargear" options for our HQs which we can pay points for.

Here, i'll throw out some ideas:

"Chainwhip Harness" - this drukhari hq has a special harness made out of the silk of a secret species of spider that spins webs so strong they decapitate random citizens of Comorragh, they're called "Job Creator Spiders" by decree of the Comorragh Severed Head and Viscera Janitorial Union.

When this model embarks on a TRANSPORT keyword model, it doesn't take up a transport slot and its aura abilities may still be used drawing distance from the transport vehicle.

"Pocket Dimension Webway Translocuterator" - this drukhari HQ has a special invisible force field generator that allows it to slip in and out of the webway short distances though they may appear to be simply standing imperiously posed atop a small piece of rock.

The movement characteristic of this model becomes 16, they automatically move 6" when they Advance, and they gain the Fly rule. Also, the field is highly toxic when they appear so they're equipped with an additional weapon that is rapid fire 1 S2 AP- D1 with the Poison Weapon rule, but it doesn't have a model. It's just the poison coming naturally from the invisible field gas.

"Cheechdari and Cho'long's Special Stuff" - this drukhari HQ is on a secret stash of good good combat drugs that let you pay more points for him and he's actually good enough to duel other factions' HQs.

All their melee weapons get +1D, and he gets +1A, +1S and +1W

 vipoid wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A new vect model would be grand, but what the range needs, rather badly, is variety. Give jetbikes to archons, skyboards to succubi.

At this point I'll just be grateful if we get plastic Grotesques. That's how badly GW has treated Drukhari.

I thought we already had plastic grotesques?

Just for some reason GW perpetually mislabels them as Crypt Horrors.

Well done sir!

 Ghaz wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
A new vect model would be grand, but what the range needs, rather badly, is variety. Give jetbikes to archons, skyboards to succubi.

At this point I'll just be grateful if we get plastic Grotesques. That's how badly GW has treated Drukhari.

I thought we already had plastic grotesques?

Just for some reason GW perpetually mislabels them as Crypt Horrors.

There are plastic Wracks, but the Grotesques are still in resin.

Probably should have checked how often Crypt Horrors are used as Grotesque conversions before replying.

Don't care for the Crypt Horrors all that much, but that has me looking at the other undead in place of the Heamonculi Coven stuff. Never liked the whole wannabe Cenobite body horror aspect of Drukhari, nor the Ossiarch Bonereapers for AoS, but Ossiarch for Dark Eldar...hmmm...a coven of corrupted Eldar Bonesingers? Yeah...

Mortek Guard converted with weapons swaps and putty over the silly grins would make some great Wracks at half the price of the actual models. Morghast Harbingers for Talos, Necropolis Stalkers for Grotesques, Boneshaper as a heamonculi/Bonesinger. I like it! Plus the bone-white will play nicely against the black armor from the rest of my Drukhari.

Any news on Warzone Charadon?

Will it release before or after Drukari?

Cheers.

T'omb wrote:
Any news on Warzone Charadon?

Will it release before or after Drukari?

Cheers.

Not before. Earliest it can now come is preorder on 20th. Same as drukhari codex.So AT BEST it's dead even.

Unknown, at present. Hopefully articles this week will give a clue.

Should I get any model kits and see if they added the new stats to our kits? I only saw em for warriors, wyches, and little else.

I might buy a scourge box and see if gw changed the rules on those. Mayne check out reavers again too if points decreases happen.

You can tell do they have new stats by checking box style. Old and no stats,

Lilith Stats and some abilities https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/08/help-lelith-hesperax-stage-a-murder-festival-in-warhammer-40000-piety-and-pain/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=PietyandPain8Mar21&utm_content=PietyandPain8Mar21&fbclid=IwAR0oRAyVzu6blLC3wFc2zys_xRRkl__VKsdQjizTJ0Bm8rGkNlQwYn3G7fg

Shall I fill in for everyone?

Player 1: "She's rubbish."
Player 2: "She might have more special abilities though. Like rerolling to wound and so on."
Player 1: "She does 1 damage. One. How's she going to kill any Marine with an invul save (so all of them at this point?)"
Player 2: "Uh, well, maybe she ignores invul saves? And there are other factions you know. She could kill a lot of boys. Or Fire Warriors"
Player 1. "She could kill fire Warriors. Be still my thrice accursed black heart."

Even though we haven't seen all of her abilities, it's certainly nice to see GW not locked with giving Aeldari characters 4 attacks or less still.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's a shame. Vect could be another Silent King-style centrepiece miniature. Make the Dias of Destruction really something worth the name, and give him tons of baroque platforms for chained slaves of all races ('cept maybe 'Nids... that wouldn't work).

If the Iron Warriors can figure out a way to cut off a Bioship from the Hivemind and enslave it, I'm sure Vect could find a way to do it to individual Nids. Fairly certain the Wyches already do that for the arena.

At 90pts she's okayish so far. Obviously very dependent on what we haven't been shown (and there's a LOT of that - The rest of her profile, power from pain, Cult of Strife faction rules, strategems, mono army bonus, transport options, supporting units).

She'll kill 3 marines per fight phase from what we do know. Not outstanding, but acceptable.

Yeah, Vs regular marines she does 2.8 wounds twice per combat round assuming you chose gory spectacle.
More with power from pain buffs, assuming +S is still there.

As usual, GW are making sure the galaxy's premier gladiator couldn't fight a random space marine captain to a standstill, D1 on the knives is the real problem here.

Interesting no mention of "Core" in the Palatine.

I wonder if we are (as normal now with GW) no options.

Lelith - not keen on new model (luckily still have older one) and as others have said need to see what her abilities are like to tell if she is back to glory days.

 Imateria wrote:
As usual, GW are making sure the galaxy's premier gladiator couldn't fight a random space marine captain to a standstill, D1 on the knives is the real problem here.

D1 with 7 attacks and unmodified hit rolls of 6 added an additional hit is nothing to really sneeze at.

At least the article confirmed the box is going on pre-order on March 20th.

The new Lelith stats are k. I just wish they'd lift her to str 5 without any combat drugs so she could wound marines on 3s.


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 Dysartes wrote:
At least the article confirmed the box is going on pre-order on March 20th.

It could be that since she is coming out before the SoB codex launches they will give her a more older generation generic ability that will then be replaced by the datasheet in the eventual codex.

Because if they throw the Core keyword at her she will be unable to buff anything as nothing currently has core in the codex.

Thrilling Acrobatics is something I really don't want to see tied to a specific special character, but other than that she seems... alright?

Granted, I've yet to see anything that would make me rush to use her (especially with the new Loleth Hamthighs model), but she at least looks like she might be decent for fans of the character.

 Eldarsif wrote:
The new Lelith stats are k. I just wish they'd lift her to str 5 without any combat drugs so she could wound marines on 3s.

She's S4, at least, with her blades giving her +1S.

That's not an insignificant thing for an Elf.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Interesting no mention of "Core" in the Palatine.

I wonder if we are (as normal now with GW) no options.

Lelith - not keen on new model (luckily still have older one) and as others have said need to see what her abilities are like to tell if she is back to glory days.

We don't have new codex yet. Had palatine had core　restiction she would do nothing on release as no sob has core.

Same as new necron models　not having core restriction until codex

It would have been interesting had it mentioned core. That would tell sob codex comes same day as this.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Interesting no mention of "Core" in the Palatine.

I wonder if we are (as normal now with GW) no options.

Lelith - not keen on new model (luckily still have older one) and as others have said need to see what her abilities are like to tell if she is back to glory days.

We don't have new codex yet. Had palatine had core　restiction she would do nothing on release as no sob has core.

Same as new necron models　not having core restriction until codex

It would have been interesting had it mentioned core. That would tell sob codex comes same day as this.

We already know P&P drops on the same day as the DE 'dex - if they were planning to move back to two Codexes dropping on the same month (let alone day), I imagine they'd've been shouting about it already.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Interesting no mention of "Core" in the Palatine.

Likely not that interesting in the end. Sisters don't have 'Core' in their book. Releasing this model with rules that only impact 'Core' units would make her unusable with the current Codex.

I'd expect 'Core' to make an appearance in both the Palatine rules and general Sisters rules once they get their new book.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if we are (as normal now with GW) no options.

Do you even have to ask?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
The new Lelith stats are k. I just wish they'd lift her to str 5 without any combat drugs so she could wound marines on 3s.

She's S4, at least, with her blades giving her +1S.

That's not an insignificant thing for an Elf.

It would help if you had any clue about the characters old rules. She could already hit at S4, with AP-4 and thanks to her old warlord trait making 6's to hit count as 3 hits she averaged 9 hits on the charge. With the 6's to hit ability baked into her datasheet now I'm expecting the warlord trait to change so she actually hits less than before and though she can fight twice she has to survive the counter attacks first.

Hitting has never been her problem, at S4 and D1 wounding and killing anything other than chaff has been very difficult, and for a gladiator who is supposed to specialise in 1 on 1 combat it's utterly ridiculous.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Interesting no mention of "Core" in the Palatine.

Likely not that interesting in the end. Sisters don't have 'Core' in their book. Releasing this model with rules that only impact 'Core' units would make her unusable with the current Codex.

I'd expect 'Core' to make an appearance in both the Palatine rules and general Sisters rules once they get their new book.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I wonder if we are (as normal now with GW) no options.

Do you even have to ask?

Well Plasma Pistol + Power Sword is very easy to kitbash from regular sisters if you dislike that kit.

 Imateria wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
The new Lelith stats are k. I just wish they'd lift her to str 5 without any combat drugs so she could wound marines on 3s.

She's S4, at least, with her blades giving her +1S.

That's not an insignificant thing for an Elf.

It would help if you had any clue about the characters old rules. She could already hit at S4, with AP-4 and thanks to her old warlord trait making 6's to hit count as 3 hits she averaged 9 hits on the charge. With the 6's to hit ability baked into her datasheet now I'm expecting the warlord trait to change so she actually hits less than before and though she can fight twice she has to survive the counter attacks first.

Well, seeing as how at the very least she has a passive ability that lets her:
-Charge even if Fell Back or Advanced
OR
-Fight again at the end of combat if destroyed an enemy model

Hitting has never been her problem, at S4 and D1 wounding and killing anything other than chaff has been very difficult, and for a gladiator who is supposed to specialise in 1 on 1 combat it's utterly ridiculous.

Maybe if you ask nicely then people will line up and attack her one at a time?

She's S4 AP-3 with nothing but her knives for a modifier. She's hitting 7 times, with her natural 6s inflicting an additional hit. If you think that's nothing, cool. It isn't though. If you're not throwing her against Marine units but instead throwing her against characters?
That's 7 attacks at 2+'s, with an AP of -3 inflicting 1 damage a pop with natural hit rolls of 6 inflicting an additional hit. I'm sure someone would be happy to show the math--but she's a character killer.

Not sure why I should really care about her "old rules" given that we have new ones coming.