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Nice combat patrol, ugly looking codex cover.

I wonder what we'll get but I'm keeping my expectations low. Can't feel worse than the last one did to me, I really disliked how we needed so many detachments for our army to work. It felt so pants on head trouser-gobliny.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Nice combat patrol, ugly looking codex cover.

Yeah that artwork is pretty poor, especially after the excellent Dark Angel cover.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I wonder what we'll get but I'm keeping my expectations low. Can't feel worse than the last one did to me, I really disliked how we needed so many detachments for our army to work. It felt so pants on head trouser-gobliny.

GW had the chance to do the first proper DE release in a decade. Plastic Grotesques. Plastic Mandrakes. Some new plastic characters. A centerpiece Dias of Destruction.

But nope. Another Lilith. Yay.

That combat patrol is like nearly a perfect example of what I'd want to finish of my Dark Eldar army...

...I bet it'll be prohibitively expensive though...

Likewise, the boxset is pretty nice, nothing in there, other than the Venom and the Bird Boys that I'm not keen on. Sad times on the other side of the world.

Combat Patrol should be $140 USD, seems to be a standardized price point. Pretty fair price for what you get.

USD. It'll be probably at least a hundred bucks more out here.


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Stand corrected Combat Patrols have been 20,000 Yen in the past. Nope.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat Patrol should be $140 USD, seems to be a standardized price point. Pretty fair price for what you get.

I'd argue against this. The jump in price for these boxes is pretty significant compared to Start Collecting! boxes. This, to me, adds a further barrier to entry. Then combine that with already-expensive Codices, a starter set and then further supplements if you want to play any Marine Chapter, and getting started is suddenly very expensive in 40k nowadays (and that's before paints, brushes, glue, terrain, etc).

The individual Combat Patrols often leave a lot to be desired. The Deathwatch one contains not a single DW miniature, which is impressive in and of itself, and the Deathguard one gives you an illegal army and 3 partial miniatures that cannot be completed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat Patrol should be $140 USD, seems to be a standardized price point. Pretty fair price for what you get.

The jump in price for these boxes is pretty significant compared to Start Collecting! boxes. This, to me, adds a further barrier to entry.

Absolutely also this. I've had pretty nerdy friends in two countries I've lived in balk at the price point of Start Collecting before GW even hiked the prices on those. To someone used to GWs price point, they might've seemed like a great deal, but they really aren't friendly to newbies at all. While these boxes are like, within the dynamic of GW pricing, an okay deal for the most part, factoring in like GW's silliness with exchange rates, and general "Bespoke wargaming miniatures" mindset...
...not a great deal in my eyes at all, sorry.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Nice combat patrol, ugly looking codex cover.

Yeah that artwork is pretty poor, especially after the excellent Dark Angel cover.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I wonder what we'll get but I'm keeping my expectations low. Can't feel worse than the last one did to me, I really disliked how we needed so many detachments for our army to work. It felt so pants on head trouser-gobliny.

GW had the chance to do the first proper DE release in a decade. Plastic Grotesques. Plastic Mandrakes. Some new plastic characters. A centerpiece Dias of Destruction.

But nope. Another Lilith. Yay.

Definitely a poor showing for xenos in the new year. I feel like GW used up whatever affection they have left for xenos with the Necrons release and had to recover with MOAR marines, meaning yet another obligatory army edition update with a half-ass feel.

 vipoid wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
One other thing, the datacards said there were 41 stratagems including the 7 from the BRB, so thast 34 strats in the new codex, the old one had 33.

Wow! You mean GW went to the trouble of writing a whole new Stratagem for Dark Eldar?

Truly this is a high-effort codex.

And don't forget - we even get to keep all the stratagems Blood of the Phoenix gave us!

Necron stratagem count didn't change that much but stratagem section nevertheless changed dramatically.

Too hard to wait for some facts before complaining? For　all we　know not single　stratagem is same as before. Necrons had very little　same with old stratagems.

At this point, I would assume that Necrons is going to be the only major Xenos release for 9th edition; that way, if it turns out to be wrong, you're pleasantly surprised, rather than constantly disappointed from month to month.

I'm not going full gloom yet but no new models outside a plastic Lilith ? Feels bad, I'm hoping to see it all go well with the rules. What I, in my heart of hearts feel will happen though will be a let down with maybe a couple strong builds but lots of missed choices. Leaving it with an ok codex and a lot of discontent for army variety. I really hope GW makes me very wrong though. The fact we haven't heard much makes me feel sadness is inevitable. At this point we were relatively drowning in news from the Deathguard codex.

It's apparent that somebody on the GW team really loves Death Guard, and has been given reign to transform that into rules since the start of 8th. Clearly, nobody felt that way about Drukhari in 8th, and there's not much evidence to show anyone on the team cares about them in 9th either, judging by the ridiculously, embarrassingly bad pointing they suffered from at the release of 9th.

Hopefully they prove us all wrong and it's a great book, but if so, they certainly haven't been advertising it so far.

yukishiro1 wrote:
At this point, I would assume that Necrons is going to be the only major Xenos release for 9th edition; that way, if it turns out to be wrong, you're pleasantly surprised, rather than constantly disappointed from month to month.

Orks.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
At this point, I would assume that Necrons is going to be the only major Xenos release for 9th edition; that way, if it turns out to be wrong, you're pleasantly surprised, rather than constantly disappointed from month to month.

Orks.

Keyword here is surely "major". We know there's a single mini in the pipes for sure. But that's it.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Orks.

You're optimistic.

Yeah, this really dosnt get my hopes up for new aspect warriors plastic models when the new codex will be released

i swear to god if i will have to go throught another edition with '90 models i will drop forever the game

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Orks.

You're optimistic.

Or realistic. Orks are one of the few factions with a healthy amount of regular model releases.

So the Cult of Strife rules in the Warzone book are behind a 35-ish pound paywall.

That is ridiculous.

Piety and Pain is 100 pounds or so.


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 InVerno wrote:
Yeah, this really dosnt get my hopes up for new aspect warriors plastic models when the new codex will be released

i swear to god if i will have to go throught another edition with '90 models i will drop forever the game

My Craftworlds have been on a long hiatus. With the Flyer meta of late 8th, the old models, and how CW are bottom tier I don't foresee I'll play them except in very casual friend games.

So here I am hoping I get to play my Drukhari at least.

They could of at least done some new Grotesques.
Hardly a big ask.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surprised to see two Raider chassis in there.

Here I was expecting yet another Venom and perhaps some jetbikes.

Theyve been stuffing venoms and reavers in so many boxes I was beginning to think they might be Primaris Lieutenants in disguise. I've ended up with 10 of the things, and not a single one of them is actually a model I intentionally sought out, they've all been packaged with something else. I'm hoping (but not expecting) the new codex comes with a "Vyper" equivalent that trades the transport capacity for a bigger weapon, since I doubt I'll ever use all of them otherwise. Probably end up selling a few or using some for conversion fodder, etc.

Incredibly, I own exactly 1 venom, and I've had to buy it individually.

.....

...I do own 6 raider chassis, all from box sets. But that's only because I built my dark eldar army almost entirely off of those "transport+1 troop 50% discout" boxes and the absolutely incredible Gangs of Comorragh "2 reaver kits and 2 hellion kits for the price of one reaver kit".


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Combat Patrol should be $140 USD, seems to be a standardized price point. Pretty fair price for what you get.

I'd argue against this. The jump in price for these boxes is pretty significant compared to Start Collecting! boxes. This, to me, adds a further barrier to entry. Then combine that with already-expensive Codices, a starter set and then further supplements if you want to play any Marine Chapter, and getting started is suddenly very expensive in 40k nowadays (and that's before paints, brushes, glue, terrain, etc).

The individual Combat Patrols often leave a lot to be desired. The Deathwatch one contains not a single DW miniature, which is impressive in and of itself, and the Deathguard one gives you an illegal army and 3 partial miniatures that cannot be completed.

I'd take an actual functional starter army for 140 before I take a garbage non-detachment for 100$. This is a real functional starter kabal army in one box, buy 2 and you've got yourself a fantastic force of multipart, kitbashable miniatures for the price of the 2-faction monopose starter box of the game.

Combat Patrols can't compete with original 65€ SC!

But that was 2017-2018. GW does not need to appeal to his customers as hard anymore.

The double box isn't that bad actually.

For 70€ it gives you 2 infantry units, a light vehicle and a named char.
Too bad that the named char makes it bad in multiples.

 InVerno wrote:
Yeah, this really dosnt get my hopes up for new aspect warriors plastic models when the new codex will be released

i swear to god if i will have to go throught another edition with '90 models i will drop forever the game

I think we have already had good indication that we're getting at least scorps and warp spiders. These were mentioned in stories in PA and many of those stories turned into model releases. Doesn't mean a full range revamp, but I wouldn't rule it out.

 bullyboy wrote:

 InVerno wrote:
Yeah, this really dosnt get my hopes up for new aspect warriors plastic models when the new codex will be released

i swear to god if i will have to go throught another edition with '90 models i will drop forever the game

I think we have already had good indication that we're getting at least scorps and warp spiders. These were mentioned in stories in PA and many of those stories turned into model releases. Doesn't mean a full range revamp, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Don't give 'em false hope mate

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm not going full gloom yet but no new models outside a plastic Lilith ? Feels bad, I'm hoping to see it all go well with the rules. What I, in my heart of hearts feel will happen though will be a let down with maybe a couple strong builds but lots of missed choices. Leaving it with an ok codex and a lot of discontent for army variety. I really hope GW makes me very wrong though. The fact we haven't heard much makes me feel sadness is inevitable. At this point we were relatively drowning in news from the Deathguard codex.

True, but at this point in the Death Guard release we were a full month behind the planned release schedule. We got all the articles for DW I'm sure we will see this week for Drukhari in the week preceding the original release date. So really, nothing has changed except they had time to pad out Warhammer Community articles before this revised release date.

I hope we see things this week to give all your Drukhari players hope you will receive a solid codex this time.

I'm not very worried on the quality of the dex.

All the 9th edition ones have been good both internally and externally.
I wouldn't expect many new xenos models this year though. Surely not a big range revamp.

 alextroy wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm not going full gloom yet but no new models outside a plastic Lilith ? Feels bad, I'm hoping to see it all go well with the rules. What I, in my heart of hearts feel will happen though will be a let down with maybe a couple strong builds but lots of missed choices. Leaving it with an ok codex and a lot of discontent for army variety. I really hope GW makes me very wrong though. The fact we haven't heard much makes me feel sadness is inevitable. At this point we were relatively drowning in news from the Deathguard codex.

True, but at this point in the Death Guard release we were a full month behind the planned release schedule. We got all the articles for DW I'm sure we will see this week for Drukhari in the week preceding the original release date. So really, nothing has changed except they had time to pad out Warhammer Community articles before this revised release date.

I hope we see things this week to give all your Drukhari players hope you will receive a solid codex this time.

Woo, +1 attack to things that suck in combat. Splinter cannon as an inferior heavy bolter. Same HQ problems.
There has to be something outright magical that GW is inexplicably _hiding_ for this codex to be solid.

Well, looks like the warhammer 40k preview today is for Belakor's tabletop rules, so scratch off 1 of the 5 days we might have gotten substantial drukhari previews before the embargo is lifted...

With no new units what is there to even say really? Slight rules wording changes and adjustments on preexisting crap don't make for much of a preview. Save your money on this one, there'll be zero heart in it

Billicus wrote:
With no new units what is there to even say really? Slight rules wording changes and adjustments on preexisting crap don't make for much of a preview. Save your money on this one, there'll be zero heart in it

Not saying you couldn't add new units without adding new kits, because hey, veteran Intercessors, Death Company Intercessors, and Hounds of Morkai exist, but you would have to give a feth about something not marines for 5 seconds to do it, so I doubt we'll see Bloodbrides and Trueborn return.