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There's a Stratagem where if a unit kills an enemy within 6" of a Cronos, they get to count the turn as 5 for the rest of the game, for the purposes of PfP.

Tyel wrote:
Actually in a non-meme way suspect the Cronos may see play. Mainly because of how the meta is so much more assault focused - and in turn, DE are likely to be assault focused.

Its probably not an auto-take, and there remain issues of 6" auras versus advance and charge leaps across the table - but 75/85 points (gun's value is probably debatable) for a reroll 1s to wound on various things seems acceptable.
Sure your opponent can go and kill it - but its a not a trivial clear for that many points.

Admittedly people said this back in 8th - and I feel it was comprehensively disproven. But the game was quite different.

I feel similarly. It has utility even if it doesn't smoke units. I don't know if that utility is overkill for some of the choices, but it feels playable.


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 vipoid wrote:
There's a Stratagem where if a unit kills an enemy within 6" of a Cronos, they get to count the turn as 5 for the rest of the game, for the purposes of PfP.

That unit or the cronos?

Tyel wrote:
Actually in a non-meme way suspect the Cronos may see play. Mainly because of how the meta is so much more assault focused - and in turn, DE are likely to be assault focused.

Its probably not an auto-take, and there remain issues of 6" auras versus advance and charge leaps across the table - but 75/85 points (gun's value is probably debatable) for a reroll 1s to wound on various things seems acceptable.
Sure your opponent can go and kill it - but its a not a trivial clear for that many points.

Admittedly people said this back in 8th - and I feel it was comprehensively disproven. But the game was quite different.

It's probably going to see most use supporting Grotesques, but taking more Grotesques is probably just better. The Succubus gives reroll 1's to wound now as well, costs about the same and is going to kill a hell of a lot more in combat so there's no point in using it to back up Wyches.

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 vipoid wrote:
There's a Stratagem where if a unit kills an enemy within 6" of a Cronos, they get to count the turn as 5 for the rest of the game, for the purposes of PfP.

That unit or the cronos?

I believe it's the unit, not the Cronos.

2W t4 3a base hellions looking pretty nice

 warmaster21 wrote:
2W t4 3a base hellions looking pretty nice

Good for attracting all those anti-marine weapons, anyway.
Its going to be the big challenge this army is going to face - the meta is already geared up with the guns good at shooting down all the transports and fast attack units.

Voss wrote:

 warmaster21 wrote:
2W t4 3a base hellions looking pretty nice

Good for attracting all those anti-marine weapons, anyway.
Its going to be the big challenge this army is going to face - the meta is already geared up with the guns good at shooting down all the transports and fast attack units.

true, but at least if you wanted you could make them T5 with combat drugs and still have the T drug open for any other unit you might want them on. going to be a tough call on bs2+ reavers with the new heat lances vs bs3+ with T5

 Daedalus81 wrote:
What now, Dakka?

An immediate errata that fixes the Death Guard Marine and Terminator entries, that's what.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
What now, Dakka?

An immediate errata that fixes the Death Guard Marine and Terminator entries, that's what.

Dam straight. Though I am a bit amused-confused that Daedalus seems to be under the impression people were saying the same thing would happen to DEldar. There was a very clear "if" in those sentiments.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
What now, Dakka?

An immediate errata that fixes the Death Guard Marine and Terminator entries, that's what.

i counter with wych weapons on wyches, 1 of each wych weapon at 10 and 2 of each wych weapon at 20

Wait, people are talking about Lelith fighting, consolidating out, and then piling back in for her second round...
but does her rule let her pile in an extra 3" too? if not, wouldn't she have to consolidate 3" away which means the enemy would be able to just pile in onto her? So she's not avoiding getting hit back at all.

Sorry, I have only seen people reference rules referencing consolidation and not mentioning pile in moves at all.

 warmaster21 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
What now, Dakka?

An immediate errata that fixes the Death Guard Marine and Terminator entries, that's what.

i counter with wych weapons on wyches, 1 of each wych weapon at 10 and 2 of each wych weapon at 20

Yep. It appears the Troops choice kit-based options that Plague Marines received was also received by to the Troops choice Wyches. I wonder if Kabalite Warriors and Wracks have similar kit-based options?

Rihgu wrote:
Wait, people are talking about Lelith fighting, consolidating out, and then piling back in for her second round...
but does her rule let her pile in an extra 3" too? if not, wouldn't she have to consolidate 3" away which means the enemy would be able to just pile in onto her? So she's not avoiding getting hit back at all.

Sorry, I have only seen people reference rules referencing consolidation and not mentioning pile in moves at all.

She gets an extra 3" on her consolidate move and she doesn't have to consolidate towards the nearest enemy unit either so the reason she potentially can't be hit back is because units can only be selected to fight and pile in if they start within Engagement range of an enemy unit or they charged this turn, so if Lelith charges she only has to consolidate out just over 1" away from the unit in order to prevent the unit she just fought from piling in and attacking her back.

Then she can pile back in on her second round of attacks and again consolidate out of combat, meaning she can't be attacked back if you don't want her to be on the turn she charges as long she kills 1 model the first time she attacks.

This also means that she can consolidate 12" away from the unit she just fought if she wants to if she kills one model.

She gets an extra 3" on her consolidate move and she doesn't have to consolidate towards the nearest enemy unit either so the reason she potentially can't be hit back is because units can only be selected to fight and pile in if they start within Engagement range of an enemy unit or they charged this turn, so if Lelith charges she only has to consolidate out just over 1" away from the unit in order to prevent the unit she just fought from piling in and attacking her back.

Ohh, I missed that little nuance that they needed to be in engagement range. I think I'm too used to Age of Sigmar where if you're in pile in range, you're in engagement range.

 warmaster21 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
What now, Dakka?

An immediate errata that fixes the Death Guard Marine and Terminator entries, that's what.

i counter with wych weapons on wyches, 1 of each wych weapon at 10 and 2 of each wych weapon at 20

Ugh.

So they let scourges take all they want but wyches ? No that is just a step too far, what mad man would ever buy 2!! boxes of wyches, truly only the most clever of player. I guess we can understand to buy multiple boxes of scourges, because they put them in every grouping for DE models ever from now till the end of time. We just can't wrap our pea brains on buying more than one box of troops so we can have the same weapon loadouts in the same squad.

Wargear butchery, or the nurgle effect, I guess a nurgling ate our brain and we just can't figure out to buy more than one troop box at a time.

I'm starting to think that GW is aiming these changes at troops.

Like, it is fine for them if you can't build a specialized unit the way you want right out of the box, but they want troops to be straightforward.

Just an hypotesis.

By the way, I posted the stratagems in the N&R thread.

Drukhari are looking like Necrons. Nothing that really screams broken, but solid all around.

If our Codex happens to be as the Necrons one, for me it's a win situation.

I'm really happy for the leaks thus far.

If you couldn't get it, I post the Cult of Strife extra rules from the book of Rust:


Warlord traits:

gain one additional attack for every attack that didnt get to the inflicted damage stage

reroll wound rolls

-1 to hit and wound rolls

Relics:

relic agoniser: ap-3, d1, poisoned (4+), select one enemy unit within engagement range, that unit can’t fall back (no vehicles/monsters)

garland of spite: select one enemy model, halve the attacks characteristic of that model until end of fight phase. Additionally autohits that model.

relic glaive: s+2, ap-5, d2 - gain +1 to wound against units with a leadership of 8 or more. Suffer 1 mortal wound if you didnt target any models with leadership 8+

dark lotus toxin: +1 to S and D characteristics of all weapons of this model

Stratagems:

2/3cp reroll wounds for cult of strife unit (3cp if 11+ models)

dance of death 1cp - use in movement/charge phase. models can move horizontally through terrain or other models for movement, advance, fall back and charging until end of turn

invigorated by evisceration 1cp - use this when a cult of strife unit destroys an enemy unit. That unit gains a 4+ invuln until start of your next turn.

Blade well placed 2cp - additional -1AP until end of fight phase

Deadly Exemplar 1cp - when succubus unit destroys character/monster unit, brides of death ability becomes board wide reroll 1’s to hit

Flawless approach 1cp - enemy units cannot fire overwatch or set to defend against this unit

Pick them apart 2cp - fall back shoot and charge.

hekatrix of the crucible 1cp - basically give a hekatrix one of several relics!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Though I am a bit amused-confused that Daedalus seems to be under the impression people were saying the same thing would happen to DEldar. There was a very clear "if" in those sentiments.

Yeah, that confused me to. It's like he's going "Ha! See? It wasn't that?", like we wanted it to be that way. The fact that it isn't is good.

Eh there were plenty of people who were anticipating it with glee.

So for me there are 2 really important special rules that drazhar has that suggest phoenix lords will finally be better represented.

Eternal warrior: 4++
Ancient warrior: -1 to damage min 1

If the phoenix lords have these they'll finally be closer to what they should be.

I'm also hoping that the base profile drazhar has will be theirs as well

Are the scourges GW just emailed me about new?

Goonhammer has a review up and is very positive about the book.

https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-drukhari-9th-edition-the-goonhammer-review/?fbclid=IwAR32jSKCr-60kKz-Pe9_P15j_EcKYKSl7E7OurhUA-wiF5RXefTMsglpqhg



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mrFickle wrote:
Are the scourges GW just emailed me about new?

No.

 Hellebore wrote:
So for me there are 2 really important special rules that drazhar has that suggest phoenix lords will finally be better represented.

Eternal warrior: 4++
Ancient warrior: -1 to damage min 1

If the phoenix lords have these they'll finally be closer to what they should be.

I'm also hoping that the base profile drazhar has will be theirs as well

As long as the Phoenix Lords get new models.
I might have a reason to take them,

Spoletta wrote:
I'm starting to think that GW is aiming these changes at troops.

Like, it is fine for them if you can't build a specialized unit the way you want right out of the box, but they want troops to be straightforward.

Just an hypotesis.

By the way, I posted the stratagems in the N&R thread.

Drukhari are looking like Necrons. Nothing that really screams broken, but solid all around.

Blightlord Termies got hit


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 Denegaar wrote:

gain one additional attack for every attack that didnt get to the inflicted damage stage

That's pretty friggin neat


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Though I am a bit amused-confused that Daedalus seems to be under the impression people were saying the same thing would happen to DEldar. There was a very clear "if" in those sentiments.

Yeah, that confused me to. It's like he's going "Ha! See? It wasn't that?", like we wanted it to be that way. The fact that it isn't is good.

People said a lot of thing wouldn't happen like 6/11 transports, bloodbrides, trueborn, etc. It's easier to be pessimistic and pleasantly surprised, I guess? Which is a valid stance to have, because GW hasn't been consistent in the past, but I felt like they've been building consistency through 8th despite several stumbles.




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Love these, too. So many boats.

Rapid Acceleration 1 CP

Select a transport wholly within of battlefield edge. End of movement phase. Remove it and place it in strategic reserve.

Assassin's Debarkation 1 CP

Reinforcement step. choose 1 transport. Units inside can disembark, must must remain 9" away from enemies

Aethersails 1CP

Raider or Ravager advances +8 inches instead of rolling

Shock Prow 1 CP

Select a Shock Prow Model. After finishing a charge move, deal d3 mortals to a vehicle on a 2+. OR if non vehicle, roll a d6 for each model within engagement range, dealing a mortal to the unit when rolling equal or above their toughness

Potent MetalToxin 2CP

Shooting or fight phase. Poisoned weapons affect vehicles, but not titanic units.

Well, with an extremely thorough read through the drukhari codex, I am...honestly really impressed. The codex appears to have many different interesting builds and answers to various opponents. The custom and core traits are well balanced barring a few duds, and the unit roster is extremely tight internally, theres almost nothing that seems useless in EVERY setup.

Beasts are maybe at the weakest theyve ever been, save for maybe clawed fiends as a super cheap scorer, and GW has neatly executed another "flyer shuffle" where they make one just straight up better than the other, but it seems like there is legitimately just a ton you can do with the codex.

I'm honestly very happy for dark eldar players, most things I've heard and seen from the new codex seem really cool and useable.

I'm curious though. What's the final verdict on the new lelith hesperax? Is she worth fielding against anything other than GEQ?

Tiberias wrote:
I'm honestly very happy for dark eldar players, most things I've heard and seen from the new codex seem really cool and useable.

I'm curious though. What's the final verdict on the new lelith hesperax? Is she worth fielding against anything other than GEQ?

She is very tricksy, and is certainly better than she appeared at first glance. The real question is whether she is better that the other available (and excellent) Succubus options, of which there are surprisingly many.

 harlokin wrote:

Tiberias wrote:
I'm honestly very happy for dark eldar players, most things I've heard and seen from the new codex seem really cool and useable.

I'm curious though. What's the final verdict on the new lelith hesperax? Is she worth fielding against anything other than GEQ?

She is very tricksy, and is certainly better than she appeared at first glance. The real question is whether she is better that the other available (and excellent) Succubus options, of which there are surprisingly many.

Lelith might see use, but not until after the other Master Succubus slots are used up. I'd probably just proxy her as a regular Succubus unless I was after multiple detachments of wyches.

 alextroy wrote:

 warmaster21 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
What now, Dakka?

An immediate errata that fixes the Death Guard Marine and Terminator entries, that's what.

i counter with wych weapons on wyches, 1 of each wych weapon at 10 and 2 of each wych weapon at 20

Yep. It appears the Troops choice kit-based options that Plague Marines received was also received by to the Troops choice Wyches. I wonder if Kabalite Warriors and Wracks have similar kit-based options?

Nope Wracks and Kabals stayed the same compare to 8th.