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 Dolnikan wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Not really sure what I would do with one giant ant, seems a bit odd

I agree. I was hoping for several giant ants, larger than the giant ants in the Reaper Bones 6 Kickstarter, to use as soldier ants. Sigh. Oh well, a missed opportunity.

That's the biggest issue I have with the SG is all the "what would I do with just one ..." items. I feel it would have been better to just add SG to boxes where the theme matched so people would get them with each box similar to how mantic has done things with their terrain kickstarters.

To be fair, I just looked at what happened overnight and noticed that the stretch goal with the picture of the ant says 'Giant Ants', so there probably are multiple under that stretch goal.

They’ve confirmed on stream and in the comments it’s just 1 ant

 DaveC wrote:

 Dolnikan wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Not really sure what I would do with one giant ant, seems a bit odd

I agree. I was hoping for several giant ants, larger than the giant ants in the Reaper Bones 6 Kickstarter, to use as soldier ants. Sigh. Oh well, a missed opportunity.

That's the biggest issue I have with the SG is all the "what would I do with just one ..." items. I feel it would have been better to just add SG to boxes where the theme matched so people would get them with each box similar to how mantic has done things with their terrain kickstarters.

To be fair, I just looked at what happened overnight and noticed that the stretch goal with the picture of the ant says 'Giant Ants', so there probably are multiple under that stretch goal.

They’ve confirmed on stream and in the comments it’s just 1 ant

That's a real shame. I wish they would put such things in Updates or on the main page though. Many people (like me) don't watch streams and comments often are a mess to sort through.

That said, thank you very much for enlightening me about this!

 Dolnikan wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

 Dolnikan wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Not really sure what I would do with one giant ant, seems a bit odd

I agree. I was hoping for several giant ants, larger than the giant ants in the Reaper Bones 6 Kickstarter, to use as soldier ants. Sigh. Oh well, a missed opportunity.

That's the biggest issue I have with the SG is all the "what would I do with just one ..." items. I feel it would have been better to just add SG to boxes where the theme matched so people would get them with each box similar to how mantic has done things with their terrain kickstarters.

To be fair, I just looked at what happened overnight and noticed that the stretch goal with the picture of the ant says 'Giant Ants', so there probably are multiple under that stretch goal.

They’ve confirmed on stream and in the comments it’s just 1 ant

That's a real shame. I wish they would put such things in Updates or on the main page though. Many people (like me) don't watch streams and comments often are a mess to sort through.

That said, thank you very much for enlightening me about this!

I see there is a new locked giant ant stretchgoal at 350,000….

There is indeed part 2 of 2 so that’s 2 ants at least.

I hope that’s a large mushroom coming up (no mini for scale other than the snail) and it’s part 1 of 3.

Well once the time comes if people are still wanting more ants I'll be fine to trade/sell mine as I have no desire for them.

Now frog people (or the satyr from the creatures pack) is something I rather do want...

Just FYI the following items have been changed to one per backer as they are being upscaled but one per backer items will be available as paid add ons as well.

Swamp Hut
Watch Tower
Highlander Hut
The Cage (odd choice but these are the 4 parts of the village set).

That's good, I'd rather pay for something useful than get something too small "free"

Agreed. Also happy to see them as add ons as I like the swamp hut.

EDIT Eleven Woods updated to add more hills now has 3 sets of hills (was 2 sets) and 2 tents but loses the extra roots for the trees



It’s now taken more in 2 days than Rampart 3 did in its entire run.

SG to date- 2 ants are in and Legionarres Tent is next. Looking forward to seeing how they use the vines to hold up the Obelisk and Orb



Village add on now available - I think this is a wait for the PM and see the render first situation.
The river also has an orange plastic option now for lava.

Feel like this is limping along tbh, not making much progress after the initial pile on from people waiting for it to start. Not sure it's that good value at this rate, I feel like I'm paying about £50 for the giant Tarrasque and then probably paying £100 (with postage and VAT)for a handful of fairly random hits of scenery to go along with it? I thought the stretch goals would really push the envelope and make it great value like dl3, but they are pretty underwhelming so far.

Hopefully they can come up with something to breathe a bit of life into the campaign as I can't see it getting high enough to get enough add ons to make this work at the moment

I'd be much more inclined to increase my pledge if they gave us a version of the rocks without all the plants on them.

I'm certain another issue is people worrying about recessions around the world so people are spending less.

I think that it's doing pretty well for what it is. It's just that rocks and trees don't have such a strong draw because there are lots of cheaper ones on the market and rocks also are by far the easiest terrain to make yourself. To the extent that preparing and painting these pieces might actually be more effort than making simple rocks yourself.

It's tracking on a par with D&L2 money wise which ended at $960k so around €900k seems possible but Encounters has nearly 800 less backers at the same point. There's a long way to go to convert the 6,000 followers who haven't backed yet.

SG to date - the boat is nearly unlocked then it's Cerberus (50mm base)



Next big goal and the Spirit Tree is reduced to 10,000 followers which still might not be possible. It's getting to the point where if they keep adding 1 per backer stuff then 2 pledges on 2 separate accounts might make more sense.

I think I'm almost at the point where it would save me money to back twice since I was wanting more of the huts in the village pack.

Sucked in once again.

Going with the minis and a box of the swamp terrain pledge. Got plenty of woods & hills and don't need the mats (got plenty of dungeon tiles and battle mats).

May come back to pick up some of the structures, waffling on that for the moment.

I lowered my pledge to just 2 boxes and I might add more after the fact but I'm not too happy with the campaign an I think the reason is the creatures pack and thus all the stuff in the SG for those backers. I'd rather see them expanding on the 3 terrain set for the terrain campaign and do a separate creature one.

An example is how far down getting more plants for the swamp set is, and even that is what? 1 fern and 1 dead plant? What's even the point? Instead of getting more of those I'm getting a Cerberus and Drider? OK.

Archon is casting too wide of a net for this campaign.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I lowered my pledge to just 2 boxes and I might add more after the fact but I'm not too happy with the campaign an I think the reason is the creatures pack and thus all the stuff in the SG for those backers. I'd rather see them expanding on the 3 terrain set for the terrain campaign and do a separate creature one.

An example is how far down getting more plants for the swamp set is, and even that is what? 1 fern and 1 dead plant? What's even the point? Instead of getting more of those I'm getting a Cerberus and Drider? OK.

Archon is casting too wide of a net for this campaign.

I agree, but I suspect that I am also the wrong target for this campaign. As a 70% wargamer (30% board gamer) I have no use for random miniatures for RPG proxies...but terrain? Definitely. I love the Land of Giants for the dual use of Kingdom Death and AoS, and the Elven Forest because...well, neat trees and rocks. I am, however, VERY interested in seeing more translucent flora.

 Sacredroach wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I lowered my pledge to just 2 boxes and I might add more after the fact but I'm not too happy with the campaign an I think the reason is the creatures pack and thus all the stuff in the SG for those backers. I'd rather see them expanding on the 3 terrain set for the terrain campaign and do a separate creature one.

An example is how far down getting more plants for the swamp set is, and even that is what? 1 fern and 1 dead plant? What's even the point? Instead of getting more of those I'm getting a Cerberus and Drider? OK.

Archon is casting too wide of a net for this campaign.

I agree, but I suspect that I am also the wrong target for this campaign. As a 70% wargamer (30% board gamer) I have no use for random miniatures for RPG proxies...but terrain? Definitely. I love the Land of Giants for the dual use of Kingdom Death and AoS, and the Elven Forest because...well, neat trees and rocks. I am, however, VERY interested in seeing more translucent flora.

I'm more 70% RPG and 30% wargaming so I am a better target for this but even for RPGs I don't really need one of several of the things they're giving me and instead need more. If most of the SG for the creature pack were more unique characters, like the siren, then I'd care less as they could be bosses/NPCs. But general units 1-2 isn't very useful.

I'm in for 99€ pledges on two accounts so far. Miiight add a third since I think I actually want 5 sets. Will depend on one per backer goals.

I agree the units of 1-2 aren't very good. With how trivial it seems for Archon to cut tools, I don't see why they don't go all in and make a squad sprue for each main enemy race, with options. They'd sell en masse to wargamers too. Archon could beat Mantic and North Star in their sleep on price and quality, maybe even Wargames Atlantic. They're just so... unfocused.

It seams like the last few campaigns have been very unfocused as I remember how controversial D&L 3 was for having all the towns people in it then Rampart was similar with the military figures.

I should look more at doing 2 accounts as I figured it wouldn't be worth it with shipping but maybe it would be.

fwiw, As a miniatures veteran (12K boardgames miniatures before Reaper Bones I), I already have versions of the 1-2 miniatures, so variants are welcome. Otherwise, agreed, but then they're be competing against other game companies that already have the product. I'll also add that Archon has "display details" which look great when seen as single pieces (hence, as display), but break immersion when used as duplicates (eg. multiple harpies with pigs) and aren't suitable for more generic use (eg. the cave-in wall for the dungeon walls make them less suitable as generic stone walls for castles and other inhabited buildings). Maybe Archon should only have bosses, given the detail on the models.

Maybe Archon's going for the diorama market. They're the guys who paint their miniatures, take nice photographs, put the miniatures away, and never game with them.

As for the "one per backer", while shipping should increase with two orders rather than one, also look at the prices of the "one per backer" terrain -- assuming you actually want them. The WizKid's gypsy wagon is similar to the stagecoach, and costs $50, although you get horses, a meh pre-paintjob, and bleh pre-broken parts with it.

I am in at Starter this time, so that I keep my spending below the £135 cut off for VAT at source. Consequently I will be making multiple backings and paying seperate shipping, but the saving in avoiding extra import fees will make this worthwhile. Multiple stretchgoals are also a factor, though any duplicate Tarrasques will be given away to rampage elsewhere.

This is a very good product though I had my misgivings over Land of Giants and am still not sure about the monsters. Many look busy, or have too many victims or other personalising details which detracts from genericity and free placement of the model in games.
Yes the Peryton looks like a dynamic sculpt, but what if there are no humans around, or its in spess etc.

If money is tight I will stick to my starter pledge of a Swamp and a Woods, given a little more budget I will double that.
I will buy the dungeon entrances add on, I like the concept of the river but you dont get enough river to make a difference.

Did some quick math and it's never cheaper to get multiple pledges vs just buying extra sets of stretch goals for those in the US based off the estimated shipping by about $30 for 4 or 6 sets and 2 or 3 SG boxes.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
Did some quick math and it's never cheaper to get multiple pledges vs just buying extra sets of stretch goals for those in the US based off the estimated shipping by about $30 for 4 or 6 sets and 2 or 3 SG boxes.

Ah but did you count the extra Lechy, valued at 35€

You would have needed to review on two plus accounts for that.

This Kickstarter is more thoughtfully compiled, no longer is it superior to spam the entry tier pledge. Unless Brexit.


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 ced1106 wrote:

As for the "one per backer", while shipping should increase with two orders rather than one, also look at the prices of the "one per backer" terrain -- assuming you actually want them. The WizKid's gypsy wagon is similar to the stagecoach, and costs $50, although you get horses, a meh pre-paintjob, and bleh pre-broken parts with it.

I have that set. Though I bought the unpainted version at £22. I found the price and contents worthwhile and useful; more so were I a primarily Nolzur's/Deep Cuts customer. You see the contents would be novel to them and highly anticipated by those who find them but only look at official merch. A campfire with cooking pot, some bedrolls, a chest everything an adventuring party needs for the GM to set up a night ambush encounter except the tent. Good game aids there, except that those were the same items Mantic and Archon produced in their introductory years, though Archon didn't produce tents until now.
It is also however a camp for two, Mantic did camps for four and were a cheaper buy in for multiples for the camp itself.

As for 'pre-broken', I didn't find this set especially fragile, but some pieces are rather thin. In my case I would consider the accessories 'pre-lost'. Small items can be amalgamated and glued to a single coin sized 'pack' or 'loot' base. Problem solved.
I refrained from that with the Everards Handy Haversack as it was a direct copy of the 5E artwork, for a critical item. If not on someone's back it pays to know exactly where it is.

Is Esmerelda's Wagon a standard 5E magic item? Or did the set officially tie in with some module with a memorable character of the same name. I don't remember it at all from earlier editions, but it would make sense for an extra dimensional wagon to exist, and as magical it would have to be master crafted and not plain and ungaudy as an adventurers wagon should be.

 Orlanth wrote:
You would have needed to review on two plus accounts for that.

Knowing how Archon works, I followed from 4 accounts before launch What can I say I went for one per backer Phoenix spam last time. Tho I was under the impression it was gonna be clear plastic...

Passed €500k SG unlocked up to and including the bushes



Tarasque render - should fit nicely on a 160mm base.



for scale



Female giant coming up @€550k, same size as Pepe would be spot on for a female mancrusher



They are going to use coloured plastic for some of the sets - brown for the trees, green (odd choice) for the rocks, yellow for the camp site.

Stage Coach and Enchanted Tree available as €15 add ons each - at this point you're better off getting a second pledge on a different account if you want more of the 1 per backer stuff.

Restricting the SG pack to 1 per pledge level has kind left you with a sampler but not really enough of any one thing - at least when they did x2 or x3 SG in larger pledges you got a lot of each - but I guess they restricted it this time to cut down on costs.

Tarrasque all sorts of boring.

Giantess will come in handy one way or another, at least as a statue.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
Did some quick math and it's never cheaper to get multiple pledges vs just buying extra sets of stretch goals for those in the US based off the estimated shipping by about $30 for 4 or 6 sets and 2 or 3 SG boxes.

You pay like $30 more, but get an extra tarrasque, swamp hut, watch tower, stagecoach, spirit tree, enchanted tree, and leshy (if you followed early). Plus whatever else they arbitrarily decide to limit to one per backer.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
Did some quick math and it's never cheaper to get multiple pledges vs just buying extra sets of stretch goals for those in the US based off the estimated shipping by about $30 for 4 or 6 sets and 2 or 3 SG boxes.

You pay like $30 more, but get an extra tarrasque, swamp hut, watch tower, stagecoach, spirit tree, enchanted tree, and leshy (if you followed early). Plus whatever else they arbitrarily decide to limit to one per backer.

That's including extra SG boxes at 40 Euros (and 2x of those for 6 sets). You're correct about the Tarrasque and Leshy (who I forgot was even part of this) but unless you're someone that likes to spend the time selling stuff on Ebay I don't think many people will care about multiples of those. If you add the Tarrasque in as an add on your basically spending the same but have less hassle as there's only one account for 4 boxes (+1 extra SG and +1 tarrasque) and at 6 boxes (+2 extra SG and +2 Tarrasque) you would save 30 euro by having 3 accounts. Not adding Leshy as not everyone is Lord Blackfang when it comes to prepping for these.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Tarrasque all sorts of boring.

Giantess will come in handy one way or another, at least as a statue.

I actually like the Tarrasque but not as a Tarrasque. Has a Kaiju look to it. Would make a good demon too, could even replace the tower with something more modern.