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 Shadow Walker wrote:
@Szymon_Archon - is minotaur mono option or multiple options miniature, for example right hand weapon or both bare hands?

The minotaur is planned to be mono pose, there likely won't be enough space on the sprue otherwise.


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When it comes to the miniature add-ons, there's been some talk about their overall cost and we're looking at adding more to them. You can expect to see more updates to the page very soon

Confirmation that the prepainted legacy add ons are 11 sprues each (9 walls/floors 2 connectors - fantasy core might differ a little) for $55 (which is around €63 with 20% VAT added). Dwarven mine prepainted retail is €79 for 6 wall/floor sprues for comparison.







and the minion/boss add ons got a bit of a size bump again



oh and my Deuslair pledge has shipped so it looks like the White Sands add on has been produced. Should get a good look at the airship before deciding if I want more (I know I do but...) going to do some Ironjawz Skybasha's scrap-hulks just cause!

$55 for three Rooms worth, prepainted, is pretty nuts. I now regret having so much already.

Wonder if they will have these for Sale at Salute.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
$55 for three Rooms worth, prepainted, is pretty nuts. I now regret having so much already.

Ditto...looks like I'm going to be selling all of my unopened boxes of D&L unpainted terrain and getting a ton of the prepaints. My plan is to use these for Descent 1st edition games.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
$55 for three Rooms worth, prepainted, is pretty nuts. I now regret having so much already.

I guess there is no tooling costs just production and paint so they can go a bit larger/cheaper.

Jarek just confirmed the legacy prepaints will only be available in this campaign.

- Mini add ons are 3 sprues per set.
- New prepaints will probably have 2 colour options available
- everyone will get the Caves RPG supplement as a pdf

Spider Nest looks pretty boring compared to the others, no?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Spider Nest looks pretty boring compared to the others, no?

Agreed it’s lacking something compared to the others (EDIT even Jarek agrees! apparently that's not the final set and they will look at it again)

It's well worth watching the render videos of subthemes in the stream as there's a lot of fine detail in the sets that doesn't show in the images.

Carnage Tract WIP

 DaveC wrote:

Jarek just confirmed the legacy prepaints will only be available in this campaign.

Kind of a puzzling choice, and reduces my interest. If I got sets later it would be harder to match the pre-paint than my own work. I wonder if they are retooling the legacy sets? They certainly need more solid walls for some of them (tudor/castle, etc).

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Jarek just confirmed the legacy prepaints will only be available in this campaign.

Kind of a puzzling choice, and reduces my interest. If I got sets later it would be harder to match the pre-paint than my own work. I wonder if they are retooling the legacy sets? They certainly need more solid walls for some of them (tudor/castle, etc).

I think it could be just a case of capacity and returns on expected sales. They probably figure the majority of those who want legacy sets have them already (and are therefore unlikely to buy more, even if prepainted). The orders for the legacy sets that they get now keeps the painting machines busy while the tooling / casting for the caves gets done, then they get busy with the caves (for both backers and retail).

 DaveC wrote:

Jarek just confirmed the legacy prepaints will only be available in this campaign.

About this - the CEO actually misspoke. These sets will be available in retail in the future, but they will (understandably) cost more.

No worries I know English isn’t his or your first language so it’s easy to misspeak thanks for clarifying.

New Spiders Nest looks better with the added bridges.

Just like to point out the Campaign is now under way, and they've gone through the first few stretch goals already. (Predominantly adding in scatter type bits and a couple dwarves.)

Hmmm not thrilled about the new sets being mostly half height walls.

I'm thinking two Surveyors might be optimal for me, essentially trading 3 subthemes for a second copy of stretch goals, and the prepainting is 40$ cheaper (cause less dungeons)

Also gonna need probably two airships and the abomination mini pack.

Well, I missed it...

The SG's with a pallet are prepainted with a prepainted pledge!

Prepainted miner for me, probably. Mostly the meaty things + goblin theme. Even with the bridges I'm not impressed by the spiders.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Maybe it needs a couple of 2x2 cocoon piles, and perhaps arched bridges instead of flat ones?

I'll admit I'm puzzled by it. Rather than bridges it just needed some props. I wonder if it was because there are also alot of people asking for more bridges. Kill two birds with one stone attempt, but I don't think it really worked. I'm currently in for King of the Mountain with two spider lairs, but we'll see by the end if I stick with both of them.

That said, one advantage of getting it unpainted is all be doing all the base rock the same, so I can make a bigger goblin or spider lair by just adding in some normal cave bits.

fwiw, You can just make your own spider lair from the D&L IV spiders and webbed items in their SG and Creatures packs -- and dryer sheets!

Silk and Steel has spiders.
Malevolent, btw, looks good for sf fantasy, such as Expedition to the Barrier Peaks, as well as post-apoc mutant stuffs, such as Osprey's the Doomed.

Picking up goblin lair, ritual, and the set with the prisoners, so I'll just go buy some sheets.

Jarek: we expect to hit $500k mid campaign
Backers: nah let's do it in 5 hours!

$1m SG - will be a "Balrog" (or whatever non IP name they decide on ) - this was a suggestion on launch stream so they turned it around quickly.

So with a not Balrog there, now people will want a not Sauron?

A mini like that from GW would cost close the whole pledge here.

NotBalrog

So a model the shape and size of a $160 Be'lakor free with a $99 pledge, hmmm.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So a model the shape and size of a $160 Be'lakor free with a $99 pledge, hmmm.

Yep, and that’s what I’ll count him as, plus he’s not 1 per backer so each SG set gets one. I just hope they stop upscaling it soon, Be’lakor is 170mm so that or 180 would be fine.

@Szymon_Archon - is it still possible to have a demon lord with an alternative option for a left hand, like open one with just claws?

$1m reached and Balor unlocked - he topped out at 220mm (base to wing tips).

The SG pack (in the PM) on its own will probably be close price wise to the $99 Surveyor pledge at this rate.

 DaveC wrote:

The SG pack (in the PM) on its own will probably be close price wise to the $99 Surveyor pledge at this rate.

I've been considering that point. Might have to go for two pledges at this rate.

I spotted the airship in the flesh at the club last week, it's glorious. Gonna get two for sure.

Deuslair pledge arrived this morning, and I am seriously impressed by the quality and detail of the models!

The crispness they are able to render the face of a baby Owlbear with, down to the strip of bleeding meat in its little beak...I am really reassured about Archon's ability to do the 10mm scaled stuff for Mantic's Warpath, just as much as their ability to do massive dragons, demons and turtles.

In general, I am also incredibly impressed by the Deuslair project as a whole - an entire world, all the concept art and sourcebooks and stats and campaign, and miniatures for every single creature you might conceivably face. Feels like getting two years worth of GW releases in one go! I haven't seen anything like it in 12 years of Kickstarters, and it feels like it could genuinely take multiple hobby years to assemble and properly paint everything.