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 Blackie wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


At least the Mega-Armoured Warboss is cool, but given his distinct lack of Power Klaw, I guess Ork players are about to lose that option as well. Cool.

That option was already lost to be fair, as the warboss in megarmor doesn't exist anymore since 8th codex. Only lives in legends.

The mega armoured boss' big choppa has only one purpose: to force ork players to buy the model and avoid using the old ghaz model as a reasonable proxy instead. No one has a warboss in megarmor with big choppa. That's why they give it to the new boss.

That's not a warboss in megarmor with a big choppa. It's actually not even a 40k model .

And all the people I know that bought that model to play it as a 40k warboss cut its right arm and replaced it with a power klaw!

I put a Killa Kan arm on him, personally.

....and then a killa kan big shoota.

And then a grot head, the one with the baseball cap.

Suffused with the energies of the Boston Red Sox, Grotzghkhull leads his band of revolooshunaries to glorious victory, DOUBLING the offensive output of all nearby grots!

Spearhead or no, I’m not a big fan. It means those who can’t afford the price or just want the Codex are out of luck.

If it’s just a shiny version of the book, and we can buy the regular one on the same day, I’m happier about it.

...they do them any time they anticipate a new release will lead to people starting a whole new army.

That's what they're for - a kickstarter to a new army collection.

The reason there are no grots in the box is because they didn't make new gretchin for this release. If this was a normal versus box, then we probably would have gotten gretchin. And then someone would complain about having to spend a lot of money on a box that includes a cheap unit like them.

Though I guess you could argue, why include the runtherder in this box?

 the_scotsman wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


At least the Mega-Armoured Warboss is cool, but given his distinct lack of Power Klaw, I guess Ork players are about to lose that option as well. Cool.

That option was already lost to be fair, as the warboss in megarmor doesn't exist anymore since 8th codex. Only lives in legends.

The mega armoured boss' big choppa has only one purpose: to force ork players to buy the model and avoid using the old ghaz model as a reasonable proxy instead. No one has a warboss in megarmor with big choppa. That's why they give it to the new boss.

That's not a warboss in megarmor with a big choppa. It's actually not even a 40k model .

And all the people I know that bought that model to play it as a 40k warboss cut its right arm and replaced it with a power klaw!

I put a Killa Kan arm on him, personally.

....and then a killa kan big shoota.

And then a grot head, the one with the baseball cap.

Suffused with the energies of the Boston Red Sox, Grotzghkhull leads his band of revolooshunaries to glorious victory, DOUBLING the offensive output of all nearby grots!

I made a megaboss using this model, just using some spare Orky bits from other kits.

 GaroRobe wrote:
The reason there are no grots in the box is because they didn't make new gretchin for this release. If this was a normal versus box, then we probably would have gotten gretchin. And then someone would complain about having to spend a lot of money on a box that includes a cheap unit like them.

Though I guess you could argue, why include the runtherder in this box?

To put a named character in there to ruin any savings advantage multiples of it would provide.

Lawks!

Orks start at T5 now! Grots T4

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/31/orks-are-some-of-the-toughest-creatures-in-the-galaxy-now-weve-got-the-stats-to-prove-it/

With +1 T to current, Grots would be T3, not 4.

I thought they were S2 T3 currently?

Nope, T2.

For someone still stuck on the old To Wound matrix, how much does the T5 help out?

Not feeling it (the t5 boys) seems too much, I wouldn't say they as tough as death guard In the lore as tough as a marine out of armour sure. But 5 is too much.

 JoeRugby wrote:
Not feeling it (the t5 boys) seems too much, I wouldn't say they as tough as death guard In the lore as tough as a marine out of armour sure. But 5 is too much.

What would you rather have had it as? T4 W2?

For me I think the suspension of disbelief is more about the invulnerable save and how much skin is showing. Scars or no scars, a lascannon should be lethal.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For someone still stuck on the old To Wound matrix, how much does the T5 help out?

On average basic guns (lasgun, boltgun) are at S 3-4 bracket and melee being similar so it mean Orks are wounded at 5+ on general now. Big bonus altogether.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For someone still stuck on the old To Wound matrix, how much does the T5 help out?

You'll need S10 for a 2+ to wound. So everything from S6-9 will be 3+, while S3-4 will be 5+. Meaning 18 Boltgun hits will cause ~6 wounds rather than ~9 wounds.

T5 is probably better for orks and the game, offering a different defensive profile and speeding up the game.

Personally it feels wrong to have a T5 1W model. But as I said, T4 W2 even if in my mind is "better", would make orks worse marines in their profile.

Iracundus wrote:

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 JoeRugby wrote:
Not feeling it (the t5 boys) seems too much, I wouldn't say they as tough as death guard In the lore as tough as a marine out of armour sure. But 5 is too much.

What would you rather have had it as? T4 W2?

For me I think the suspension of disbelief is more about the invulnerable save and how much skin is showing. Scars or no scars, a lascannon should be lethal.

Na for basic boys stay t4 1w

Called it! Love the changes. I didn't expect regular Boyz to get it. AP1 Choppas were inevitable, too. Sooo happy.

Hopefully Tyranids get the extra wounds at lower toughness if Orks get fewer wounds at higher toughness as their codex-buff.

Nurglitch wrote:
Hopefully Tyranids get the extra wounds at lower toughness if Orks get fewer wounds at higher toughness as their codex-buff.

I am hoping the Tyranid big creatures get lots of Wounds and for options to regenerate/heal them, for that feel of alien horror at the creature not only surviving what "should" have killed it but healing in front of its enemies.

Iracundus wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Hopefully Tyranids get the extra wounds at lower toughness if Orks get fewer wounds at higher toughness as their codex-buff.

I am hoping the Tyranid big creatures get lots of Wounds and for options to regenerate/heal them, for that feel of alien horror at the creature not only surviving what "should" have killed it but healing in front of its enemies.

I think I’d prefer regen to wound avoidance. Force the enemy to focus their fire.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Hopefully Tyranids get the extra wounds at lower toughness if Orks get fewer wounds at higher toughness as their codex-buff.

I am hoping the Tyranid big creatures get lots of Wounds and for options to regenerate/heal them, for that feel of alien horror at the creature not only surviving what "should" have killed it but healing in front of its enemies.

I think I’d prefer regen to wound avoidance. Force the enemy to focus their fire.

There is the reliability aspect. There is 0% of a single 1 Damage weapon dropping your 2+ Wound model, whereas there is a non-zero probability of it if your model has only 1 Wound.

 JoeRugby wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

Spoiler:

 JoeRugby wrote:
Not feeling it (the t5 boys) seems too much, I wouldn't say they as tough as death guard In the lore as tough as a marine out of armour sure. But 5 is too much.

What would you rather have had it as? T4 W2?

For me I think the suspension of disbelief is more about the invulnerable save and how much skin is showing. Scars or no scars, a lascannon should be lethal.

Na for basic boys stay t4 1w

You would need significant points drop then to help them out. Currently wiping units each turn is snap of a finger

Nurglitch wrote:
Hopefully Tyranids get the extra wounds at lower toughness if Orks get fewer wounds at higher toughness as their codex-buff.

More diverse defensive profiles like this can only be a good thing for the overall meta. Anyone focusing heavily on high-damage weapons to kill Tyranids is gonna get shut down hard by T5 W1 Orks. The opposite will be true for anyone with too many points sunk into high ROF and/or high-strength D1 weapons.

Having multiple "defensive profiles" spread across factions is a good thing for the meta in my opinion.

Currently, a lot of armies are either taking "anti-SM" weapons or "anti-Drukhari" weapons and they both have quite opposite defensive profiles.

Adding a new "intermediate" profile (bad save, 1W, but high base Toughness) further makes some weapons more interesting (such as ... the Tesla Carbine !).

Hmm, I'm a cautiously optimistic.

It will come down to the points in the end I suppose.

S5 Choppas on the Snaggas has potential though, wounding space marines on a 3+ is nice.

The +1 to hit seems odd to me. I was expecting the snaggas to get +1 to wound against big stuff, it seems far more thematic and useful.

I dread the point costs, though. Don't want to see another increase on boys or snaggas to reach double digits, and wih all these changes, I'm not sure they won't.

the beast snaggas are cool and all but after seeing the AoS dominion orcs... can we get some of those?! Also making some models cheaper never hurt anyone =3

Orks are not getting cheaper, not with T5 upgrade.

Heh, what, we're not going to go out and replace 300+ Ork models?!