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Voss wrote:

 Dreamchild wrote:
No 'ere we go today :(

Its been every 2 weeks lately. May 3rd, 17th, 31st. Also April 5th, but that was a real early look.
So probably next week.

Thanks, for some reason I thought that it took over "new model Monday" and was on a weekly basis.

Do we know if grots are going to T3 ?

 Argive wrote:
Do we know if grots are going to T3 ?

Yes, they said so in the same article where they mentioned T5 Orks.

Bought my first Battlewagon in anticipation today. Lets hope that the new Codex makes filling it with green brawn a good choice. If not I should've bought that Trukk+Skrapjet. Or Snazzwagon and Skrapjet.

And an idea I just had: squigs and squighoppers as Grotz. Mount a few guns on them and I'd have use for all the cheap squig herds I bought as sprues. Or would they be better as choppa boyz?!

What are the odds on the Stompa finally costed appropriately, either by dropping a couple hundred or getting some serious buffs?

 Binabik15 wrote:
Bought my first Battlewagon in anticipation today. Lets hope that the new Codex makes filling it with green brawn a good choice. If not I should've bought that Trukk+Skrapjet. Or Snazzwagon and Skrapjet.

And an idea I just had: squigs and squighoppers as Grotz. Mount a few guns on them and I'd have use for all the cheap squig herds I bought as sprues. Or would they be better as choppa boyz?!

I run:

Squigz as choppa boyz
Squig Hoppers as Stormboyz
Snotling Pump Wagons+Fanatics as dual-choppa or big choppa+choppa nobz
gobbapalooza as 2 runtherds, 2 weirdboyz, 1 painboy
mangler squigs as bonebreaka

 the_scotsman wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Bought my first Battlewagon in anticipation today. Lets hope that the new Codex makes filling it with green brawn a good choice. If not I should've bought that Trukk+Skrapjet. Or Snazzwagon and Skrapjet.

And an idea I just had: squigs and squighoppers as Grotz. Mount a few guns on them and I'd have use for all the cheap squig herds I bought as sprues. Or would they be better as choppa boyz?!

I run:

Squigz as choppa boyz
Squig Hoppers as Stormboyz
Snotling Pump Wagons+Fanatics as dual-choppa or big choppa+choppa nobz
gobbapalooza as 2 runtherds, 2 weirdboyz, 1 painboy
mangler squigs as bonebreaka

Hmm, I like the squig hoppers as stormboyz.

Can also have Doom divers as mek guns.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
What are the odds on the Stompa finally costed appropriately, either by dropping a couple hundred or getting some serious buffs?

I'm cautiously optimistic, given that quite a lot of stuff in the newer Codices seems to have had a bit of thought into making it at least viable, if not great. But ultimately, who knows?

Seems like they don't want the superheavies to be too powerful, so most of them got real expensive points-wise. GW seems to have no problems with very powefrul special characters, but are wary of vehicles.

But the FW killtanks seem to be ok for their cost, so hopefully the Stompa gets looked at. It's not exactly like they are unaware of the ridiculous points cost - ork players constantly point it out. So if it's still heavily overcosted in the new codex, it is definitely intentional - they don't want us to use it. Would be a shame though, because it's such a cool and unique model.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Bought my first Battlewagon in anticipation today. Lets hope that the new Codex makes filling it with green brawn a good choice. If not I should've bought that Trukk+Skrapjet. Or Snazzwagon and Skrapjet.

And an idea I just had: squigs and squighoppers as Grotz. Mount a few guns on them and I'd have use for all the cheap squig herds I bought as sprues. Or would they be better as choppa boyz?!

I run:

Squigz as choppa boyz
Squig Hoppers as Stormboyz
Snotling Pump Wagons+Fanatics as dual-choppa or big choppa+choppa nobz
gobbapalooza as 2 runtherds, 2 weirdboyz, 1 painboy
mangler squigs as bonebreaka

Hmm, I like the squig hoppers as stormboyz.

Can also have Doom divers as mek guns.

I mean i just use mek guns and big gunz as mek gunz. dont need more of those! mostly, just looking for excuses to use the wonderful squig units from the gloomspite gitz (they have truly infuriating rules in age of sigmar, just the worst kind of 'lolrandom', so I run them with my already hilariously overstuffed all grots all day long 40k army.)

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
What are the odds on the Stompa finally costed appropriately, either by dropping a couple hundred or getting some serious buffs?

The same as a SAG one-shotting a knight.

Just out of curiosity - does anyone remember if the 8th ed Sisters codex had pictures of old models that would then be replaced by new ones after the book's official release?

The pics of the old boy sculpts in the most recent 'ere we go article killed my hopes of new Boyz models or snaggas (when released separately) being a dual kit, but now I'm thinking that they used the old photos because they still haven't revealed new ones.

 Dreamchild wrote:
Just out of curiosity - does anyone remember if the 8th ed Sisters codex had pictures of old models that would then be replaced by new ones after the book's official release?

It had pictures that were mostly just the stuff in the preview box. Beyond that they showed off the characters that had been revealed, the basic multi-part SoB squad, and the vehicles. They didn't even show off the new Repentia, Archos or Retributors. It was very strange.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Dreamchild wrote:
Just out of curiosity - does anyone remember if the 8th ed Sisters codex had pictures of old models that would then be replaced by new ones after the book's official release?

It had pictures that were mostly just the stuff in the preview box. Beyond that they showed off the characters that had been revealed, the basic multi-part SoB squad, and the vehicles. They didn't even show off the new Repentia, Archos or Retributors. It was very strange.

Thanks! This kinda gives me hope that some of the 5-6 yet unrevealed ork kits might be reworks of existing ones.

Ofc this is just a personal preference and I completely understand that some current ork players might be disgruntled by the prospect , but I personally don't feel like rebuying the same kits I had as a kid, and things like a potential dual snagga/boy kit may be the solution that doesn't step on anybody's toes. I'd still be happy with just focusing on newer models if snagga boyz do end up being troops though.

So a grot will be the same toughness as a power armoured SOB, an Eldar Aspect warrior/trooper, IG & tau warriors all which are at least twice the size?

I hope this is a WC error.. its beyond dumb..

I get orks going to T5 makes sense tbh... but grots.. Cmon GW..

Power Armor doesn't affect Toughness.

If Grots went to a 3+ save? Yeah, that'd be a Big Problem.

T3 on a weedy grot due to his species being hardy while something like a Ripper is T2? That makes a heck of a lot more sense.

Grots have almost always been tough (most editions they were T3), they're still greenskins and used to being trod on and kicked.

It's ork toughness in a small package.

 Argive wrote:
So a grot will be the same toughness as a power armoured SOB, an Eldar Aspect warrior/trooper, IG & tau warriors all which are at least twice the size?

I hope this is a WC error.. its beyond dumb..

I get orks going to T5 makes sense tbh... but grots.. Cmon GW..

So you're ok with gretchin at T2, S2, with range 12 guns and t-shirt saves at 5ppm? Because honestly at that price points it's almost even worth unpacking them for deployment, they'll die in droves to, well, anything. I think T3 is the least bit of upgrade they could get.

Grots have almost always been tough (most editions they were T3), they're still greenskins and used to being trod on and kicked.

It's ork toughness in a small package.

Gretchin have been Toughness 2 since 3rd edition, actually. (I checked my codexes a few days ago because someone else here on Dakka was asking about it.)

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Argive wrote:
So a grot will be the same toughness as a power armoured SOB, an Eldar Aspect warrior/trooper, IG & tau warriors all which are at least twice the size?

I hope this is a WC error.. its beyond dumb..

I get orks going to T5 makes sense tbh... but grots.. Cmon GW..

So you're ok with gretchin at T2, S2, with range 12 guns and t-shirt saves at 5ppm? Because honestly at that price points it's almost even worth unpacking them for deployment, they'll die in droves to, well, anything. I think T3 is the least bit of upgrade they could get.

Grots have almost always been tough (most editions they were T3), they're still greenskins and used to being trod on and kicked.

It's ork toughness in a small package.

Gretchin have been Toughness 2 since 3rd edition, actually. (I checked my codexes a few days ago because someone else here on Dakka was asking about it.)

The Rule of Cool aces all other rules.

 Argive wrote:
So a grot will be the same toughness as a power armoured SOB, an Eldar Aspect warrior/trooper, IG & tau warriors all which are at least twice the size?

I hope this is a WC error.. its beyond dumb..

I get orks going to T5 makes sense tbh... but grots.. Cmon GW..

Size is represented by wounds. Power armour, being an armour(hint is in the name), with armour save(weird that. ARMOUR providing ARMOUR save)

Yeah I get all that that. The pts and save of course plays a part. But making grots the same baseline toughness as your average humanoid just seems really really stupid.
The entire toughness chart is needlessly capped at 8 so there is very little room for granulity. That's a whole separate issue along with pts costs and save values.

But Grots are essentially something you can squish with your foot..

I dunno, a grot and a regular baseline human feel like they would have a messy scruffle on the ground, wrestling like a pair of teens who have no idea what they're doing. A catachan would squish em for sure. Maybe even a cadian? But a regular human i'm not so sure.

 Argive wrote:
Yeah I get all that that. The pts and save of course plays a part. But making grots the same baseline toughness as your average humanoid just seems really really stupid.
The entire toughness chart is needlessly capped at 8 so there is very little room for granulity. That's a whole separate issue along with pts costs and save values.

But Grots are essentially something you can squish with your foot..

I don't really agree.

In 1st and 2nd ed, gretchin were s/t 3 and orks were s3 t4. Gretchin were basically short human orks.

In 3rd ed they were dropped down to s/t 2, for some reason to make them completely useless.

orks have gone through a couple of stat revisions:

1st-7th: s3 t4
8th: s4 t4
9th: s4 t5

Gretchin:

1st-2nd: s3 t3 (also BS3 and carried autoguns, making them a cheap guard chaff squad for orks)
3rd-8th: s2 t2 (8th put them back to BS3/ 4+)



Orkoids are very tough and resilient. As they're pushing orks up to be tougher (the toughest they've ever been - they've NEVER been tougher than a space marine), it makes sense for gretchin to go back to a toughness they used to have.

Nah, a grot isn't much weaker than a space elf or a guardsman, it's basically a little troll. T3 is appropriate. T2 could have made sense in ages in which models that worth 3ppm existed, now thankfully GW is trying to counter hordes of useless but ultra annoying to delete weak bodies. 5ppm for the cheapest/weakest creature is something I like, but then of course those models need an appropriate set of stats and rules.

In fact I think basic orks should always have been +1T compared to SM or other T4 infantries, they look like culturists in comparison. And gretchins -2T compared to regular orks.

Yeah, grots may look like goofy little goblins, but they're nasty little buggers and the way that ork society works, the grots that survive long enough to even make it to the battlefield are gonna be hard as nails.

A baseline human wouldn't stand a chance in a straight fight, and even a veteran guardsman would struggle, I'd say. You just know that these little buggers are gonna fight dirty (and gang up on you if they get the chance).

I'm fine with grots being just as tough as a human, especially if they are going to cost the same as a cultist.

Grots are tough little buggers, and it makes sense to make them T3 for them to be worth 5ppm. It would make less sense to give them a better armor or invulnerable save.

T3 grots makes sense. It's pretty disingenuous to argue that models which share a single stat are somehow equivalent. Wraithlords and Reaver Titans are both T8, doesn't mean they're equally easy to kill.

All orks are tough on a scale that makes the average 40k human, hell the average humanoid of any other race look like plywood.

Makes sense to me one of the weakest of the Ork race (Grots) are still surprisingly tough buggers. I would somewhat expect S2 T3 on their statline in a way.

Onto another question - Snaga beast riders. Any thoughts on statlines/Weapon profiles? I just... Need that rocket spear in my life to shank Marines with

Anything with "rokkit" in its name is quite likely to end up with AP-2 and 3 damage

Since it's spear, it's also possible that you can throw it at short distance, similar to other spears.

Speaking of the weakest of the orkoid race... I highly doubt it would happen, but I would LOVE to see swarms of snotlings come back. They used to have this super fun rule that they would mimic what units near them would do. Actual game play it was a little annoying, but so flavorful.

So my wishlist is actual units of playable squig herds and snotling swarms!!