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I’ll chip in as another voice hoping Craftworld Eldar get similar attention to the Orks and Necrons.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll chip in as another voice hoping Craftworld Eldar get similar attention to the Orks and Necrons.

Yeah, pointy ears should get tons of plastic. I can joke about them getting it after all else and their dog but I would really love to see Warp Spiders plastic kit or proper sized Avatar that could look like it can challenge a Bloodthirster.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll chip in as another voice hoping Craftworld Eldar get similar attention to the Orks and Necrons.

Me too, and I don't even play them.

Neither do I, and honestly I’m not sure I ever will.

But they need an extensive refresh all the same.

My third lad just chose Iyanden for his first army, so I am being very careful on what I buy for him, as at some point I'm hoping for a big range overhaul, at the very least the rest of the Aspect Warriors, so all he has so far are Banshee's in that regard. (Rest are Wraithguard, a Lord and some Guardians... the only risky purchase so far I reckon)



On topic, is the Wurr Shamn just a silly play on the fact he has bionics, or just a GW 'we can't own Weirdboy' from a rights perspective, which I thought they'd got over based on a lot of releases of late keeping their names, but maybe not.

Just feels odd if suddenly after thirty years Weirdboy is gone from the Ork Lexicon. From a GW book perspective at least.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
On topic, is the Wurr Shamn just a silly play on the fact he has bionics, or just a GW 'we can't own Weirdboy' from a rights perspective, which I thought they'd got over based on a lot of releases of late keeping their names, but maybe not.

Just feels odd if suddenly after thirty years Weirdboy is gone from the Ork Lexicon. From a GW book perspective at least.

Wurr: weird, strange as per the 2nd ed codex explanation of the Ork language and glyphs.

Just GW making use of what's already there. Might just be they want a distinction between a Snagga weirdboy and a common weirdboy and went with an established alternative term.

 Geifer wrote:


Wurr: weird, strange as per the 2nd ed codex explanation of the Ork language and glyphs.

Just GW making use of what's already there. Might just be they want a distinction between a Snagga weirdboy and a common weirdboy and went with an established alternative term.

Ah nice I know some of the old Ork words, my Warlord is Grodgob, but not all of them, so good to see its an actual in game reference.

I'm pretty sure the model will look better once they slap it on top of the giant tower-chariot thing seen in the drawings from the trailer.

I'm thinking options would be or would have been the way to go here. It's been speculated earlier that the model as we see it is purposefully toned down so as not to overload the vehicle he's coming on standard. It's not a bad thought. If I were in charge of development, I'd consider throwing alternative bits on the sprue (like for instance hands with zappy effect) for the foot version to have it stand on its own without needing the surrounding vehicle bits to give it context.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Thane wrote:
New Mega-Armor boss and Boyz are already a dream come true for me.

We shall see I suppose.

We shall certainly see if GW pricing turns these new Boyz from a dream to a nightmare - and that's before we get into the likely limited pose/compatibility issues of modern kits compared to the current kit.

Oh, and H.B.M.C? You owe me a new sarcasm detector - my last one exploded after reading that post.

Well expect the new cadian price as bare minimum. With bit of bad luck could even turn to be sob box level...

I'm betting around 35 pounds.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
My third lad just chose Iyanden for his first army, so I am being very careful on what I buy for him, as at some point I'm hoping for a big range overhaul, at the very least the rest of the Aspect Warriors, so all he has so far are Banshee's in that regard. (Rest are Wraithguard, a Lord and some Guardians... the only risky purchase so far I reckon)



On topic, is the Wurr Shamn just a silly play on the fact he has bionics, or just a GW 'we can't own Weirdboy' from a rights perspective, which I thought they'd got over based on a lot of releases of late keeping their names, but maybe not.

Just feels odd if suddenly after thirty years Weirdboy is gone from the Ork Lexicon. From a GW book perspective at least.

I'm pretty sure that the Wurr is also a nod to Wurrzag and the AoS Wurrgog Prophets, since all of them now have the Squigly Curse that turns oponents into Squigs.

Also, has the weirdboy gone?
They’re mentioned in the article as a separate sort of Ork psyker.

It's still werid there's no proper plastic weirdboy kit, the old one has to be one of the most ancient and dreadfull Ork things still in production.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll chip in as another voice hoping Craftworld Eldar get similar attention to the Orks and Necrons.

Including lots more opportunities to cause those ultra-rare Mortal Wounds.

But in all seriousness, this has to come down to a 'Be careful what you wish for!' scenario. I said this for the people asking for new Ork Boyz, and and we're about to get them. Yet to be seen, but I very much doubt that you'll be mix'n'matching them with most of the other Ork kits in the range. Ditto for these Beastsnagger boys.

I worry that any Eldar revamp would see GW release a bunch of new stuff whilst neglecting all but the most basic of units (Guardians). Or we get a new slew of plastic Aspect Warriors, 5 to a box, for Flayed One prices.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I worry that any Eldar revamp would see GW release a bunch of new stuff whilst neglecting all but the most basic of units (Guardians). Or we get a new slew of plastic Aspect Warriors, 5 to a box, for Flayed One prices.

GW will obviously introduce 3 new aspect shrines that have conveniently been lost until now/have always been there: The Crushing Calamaries will focus on high volume, high quality attacks, the Swift Kangaroos are super-fast jump troops with powerful short range weapons and the Radiant Poltergeists will be armed with prism rifles that are light versions (-1S) of a prism cannon but you get 10 per unit.
But don't worry, your old aspect warriors will remain just as relevant as trueborn space marines

You're confusing 40k with AoS.


See, AoS is actually getting nice development for concepts.
40k just rots with the same ol' trash unless it's a new army altogether.

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I worry that any Eldar revamp would see GW release a bunch of new stuff whilst neglecting all but the most basic of units (Guardians). Or we get a new slew of plastic Aspect Warriors, 5 to a box, for Flayed One prices.

GW will obviously introduce 3 new aspect shrines that have conveniently been lost until now/have always been there: The Crushing Calamaries will focus on high volume, high quality attacks, the Swift Kangaroos are super-fast jump troops with powerful short range weapons and the Radiant Poltergeists will be armed with prism rifles that are light versions (-1S) of a prism cannon but you get 10 per unit.
But don't worry, your old aspect warriors will remain just as relevant as trueborn space marines

I’d settle for the shadow spectres (the prism rifle guys) getting a plastic kit, thanks. A Phoenix Lord for the spiders would be nice too.
Also we’ve known since 2nd edition that there were more aspect shrines than the standard eight.

 Kanluwen wrote:
You're confusing 40k with AoS.


See, AoS is actually getting nice development for concepts.
40k just rots with the same ol' trash unless it's a new army altogether.

That’s mostly true for Craftworld Eldar, sure. They’ve definitely missed out on the ‘innovations’ and additions other races got.

What they need is to hit like a tonne of bricks again. Howling Banshees were revoltingly hard in 2nd Ed, thanks to that editions crazy combat and how their Mask basically shafted everyone they charged.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I worry that any Eldar revamp would see GW release a bunch of new stuff whilst neglecting all but the most basic of units (Guardians). Or we get a new slew of plastic Aspect Warriors, 5 to a box, for Flayed One prices.

GW will obviously introduce 3 new aspect shrines that have conveniently been lost until now/have always been there: The Crushing Calamaries will focus on high volume, high quality attacks, the Swift Kangaroos are super-fast jump troops with powerful short range weapons and the Radiant Poltergeists will be armed with prism rifles that are light versions (-1S) of a prism cannon but you get 10 per unit.
But don't worry, your old aspect warriors will remain just as relevant as trueborn space marines

I’d settle for the shadow spectres (the prism rifle guys) getting a plastic kit, thanks. A Phoenix Lord for the spiders would be nice too.
Also we’ve known since 2nd edition that there were more aspect shrines than the standard eight.

I probably should have addend an /s.

I was taking a jab at GW just introducing new models with slightly different names and better rules instead of fixing units that already exist.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
You're confusing 40k with AoS.


See, AoS is actually getting nice development for concepts.
40k just rots with the same ol' trash unless it's a new army altogether.

That’s mostly true for Craftworld Eldar, sure. They’ve definitely missed out on the ‘innovations’ and additions other races got.

What they need is to hit like a tonne of bricks again. Howling Banshees were revoltingly hard in 2nd Ed, thanks to that editions crazy combat and how their Mask basically shafted everyone they charged.

Scorpions, the Aspect Warriors supposed to clean out infantry in melee, nowadays is so bad that 10 of them can attack 5 Intercessors, not even the melee variant, and get beat to death in melee.

GW throwing out a *good* Kommandos kit would make me verry happy, but somehow I doubt that they'll make the Ork range Finecast free when they can throw out more same-but-different Beastsnagga kits instead. Maybe they'll give us Squigsneaka Githuntas instead of Kommandos, Beastsnaggas that are very good at walking to the latrines without waking up the squiggoths.

 Binabik15 wrote:
GW throwing out a *good* Kommandos kit would make me verry happy, but somehow I doubt that they'll make the Ork range Finecast free when they can throw out more same-but-different Beastsnagga kits instead. Maybe they'll give us Squigsneaka Githuntas instead of Kommandos, Beastsnaggas that are very good at walking to the latrines without waking up the squiggoths.

And they'll come in boxes of 5, for 39.50 pounds.

I think all the Aspects have suffered since 3rd Ed.

Dark Reapers just don’t cut it like they used to. I’m yet to see a solid use for Swooping Hawks.

If any wants to discuss the manifold woes of the Craftworlds, I did a fairly solid thread a few months back in 40K General setting it all out.

Hopefully it’s not old enough to qualify as threadomancy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll chip in as another voice hoping Craftworld Eldar get similar attention to the Orks and Necrons.

Including lots more opportunities to cause those ultra-rare Mortal Wounds.

But in all seriousness, this has to come down to a 'Be careful what you wish for!' scenario. I said this for the people asking for new Ork Boyz, and and we're about to get them. Yet to be seen, but I very much doubt that you'll be mix'n'matching them with most of the other Ork kits in the range. Ditto for these Beastsnagger boys.

I worry that any Eldar revamp would see GW release a bunch of new stuff whilst neglecting all but the most basic of units (Guardians). Or we get a new slew of plastic Aspect Warriors, 5 to a box, for Flayed One prices.

Heh. We'd be happy to have Flayed One prices. Banshees are $5 more (just as monopose, I guess you can choose between an executioner and a triskele on the Exarch though).

I don't super mind expensive Aspect Warrior kits... if they do 2 important things; make them appropriately elite (with Banshees, you're paying $1 per point, that's terrible when it happens with troops and it's terrible for elites), and give more options with the kit.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think all the Aspects have suffered since 3rd Ed.

Dark Reapers just don’t cut it like they used to. I’m yet to see a solid use for Swooping Hawks.

If any wants to discuss the manifold woes of the Craftworlds, I did a fairly solid thread a few months back in 40K General setting it all out.

Hopefully it’s not old enough to qualify as threadomancy.

Thanks for the thread, Doc. I don't think enough folks know just how bad it is for CWE right now. The SoB neglect is the only thing I can think of remotely similar, and while that was terrible, they weren't part of the "big 4", the factions that this game was built around. It's really, really bad.

(I know this is off-topic, just tell me to knock it off if you want me to, mods.)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Neither do I, and honestly I’m not sure I ever will.

But they need an extensive refresh all the same.

Agreed, would love to see it for all of my friends who have played them for years.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll chip in as another voice hoping Craftworld Eldar get similar attention to the Orks (...)

So... getting a full Exodites release (not with an own codex of course, they just fight in normal Eldar armies) while staying with all the old CWE kits/models?

Okay, Orks had their Orktober too, with those cars... So different kits for a Wraith Vyper, a Warlock Vyper, a Ranger Vyper, an Aspect warrior Vyper and... a red Vyper?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ll chip in as another voice hoping Craftworld Eldar get similar attention to the Orks (...)

So... getting a full Exodites release (not with an own codex of course, they just fight in normal Eldar armies) while staying with all the old CWE kits/models?

Okay, Orks had their Orktober too, with those cars... So different kits for a Wraith Vyper, a Warlock Vyper, a Ranger Vyper, an Aspect warrior Vyper and... a red Vyper?

If Eldar had a line with as much plastic as Orks, none of us would complain (as much...) about an Orktober-tier event.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
GW throwing out a *good* Kommandos kit would make me verry happy, but somehow I doubt that they'll make the Ork range Finecast free when they can throw out more same-but-different Beastsnagga kits instead. Maybe they'll give us Squigsneaka Githuntas instead of Kommandos, Beastsnaggas that are very good at walking to the latrines without waking up the squiggoths.

And they'll come in boxes of 5, for 39.50 pounds.

Yeah GW, we are onto you! What was wrong with updating the weirdboy, exactly?




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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think all the Aspects have suffered since 3rd Ed.

Dark Reapers just don’t cut it like they used to. I’m yet to see a solid use for Swooping Hawks.

If any wants to discuss the manifold woes of the Craftworlds, I did a fairly solid thread a few months back in 40K General setting it all out.

Hopefully it’s not old enough to qualify as threadomancy.

Thanks for the thread, Doc. I don't think enough folks know just how bad it is for CWE right now. The SoB neglect is the only thing I can think of remotely similar, and while that was terrible, they weren't part of the "big 4", the factions that this game was built around. It's really, really bad.

(I know this is off-topic, just tell me to knock it off if you want me to, mods.)

I recently looked through the eldar range and they have all of the aspect and all of the phoenix lords to update into plastic and if these are anything to go by it can't come soon enough.



Though nothing hurts as badly as the shinning spears. The rest doesn't look good for being as central as they are the GW range.

I'll be honest. I don't like those banshees. Waiting 20 years for that? Comparing them with ... literally all other 3rd party alternatives specially Artel W is an insult.

The fact that they are 5, monopose, extremely expensive with nearly 0 customization is just salt.

I know eldar don't want evolution of their concepts but thats isn't even modernization or refination.