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I want to know how many Bubble Chukkas can I have in an army and how much time it's going to take to shoot them all.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wow it still sucks, just in a brand new way!

But at least it takes 3 times longer to resolve!

How so? One roll for type, then (sometimes) rolling for shots sounds like it will be faster than rolling for shots, rolling for S, rolling for AP, and rolling for damage, and then actually resolving the attack.

jullevi wrote:
I want to know how many Bubble Chukkas can I have in an army and how much time it's going to take to shoot them all.

Rumor is mek guns capped at 3 per unit so you can have 9.

 catbarf wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wow it still sucks, just in a brand new way!

But at least it takes 3 times longer to resolve!

How so? One roll for type, then (sometimes) rolling for shots sounds like it will be faster than rolling for shots, rolling for S, rolling for AP, and rolling for damage, and then actually resolving the attack.

Yea my bad, I misremembered them being one of those "roll once for the whole unit" deals before

What......??? How do Ork guns fire fewer shots at close range?? What is the point of the Dakka type at all? Why on earth are rokkit launchas heavy?

Blastaar wrote:
What......??? How do Ork guns fire fewer shots at close range?? What is the point of the Dakka type at all? Why on earth are rokkit launchas heavy?

You're misreading it, they fire more shots at close range.
The first value is what you use for when you are within half range.
The second value is for when you are more than half range.

Bubble chuckas are still crap.
The problem with chuckas is that they were unreliable. So GW fixed the problem by making them unreliable
To be fair, they are more reliable than before, but not as much as they need to be.

That’s Bubble Chukkas for you.

Always have been random daft cannons of lols.

RT, your opponent only found out it had worked when the targeted tank fired, and the shot was reflected right back at it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Blastaar wrote:
What......??? How do Ork guns fire fewer shots at close range?? What is the point of the Dakka type at all? Why on earth are rokkit launchas heavy?

You're misreading it, they fire more shots at close range.
The first value is what you use for when you are within half range.
The second value is for when you are more than half range.

Bubble chuckas are still crap.
The problem with chuckas is that they were unreliable. So GW fixed the problem by making them unreliable
To be fair, they are more reliable than before, but not as much as they need to be.

So I am. That makes much more sense.

Well it's a tough design with Orks. If you make them reliable, people say: they're not fun anymore.
If you make them unreliable, people say: well, that’s garbage
I'd say without points it's impossible to say whether something is worth it.

At least they're not firing on S equal or worse to that of a Gretchin' pistol half the time... So, uh, yay?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s Bubble Chukkas for you.

Always have been random daft cannons of lols.

RT, your opponent only found out it had worked when the targeted tank fired, and the shot was reflected right back at it.

Ok that actually sounds hilarious. I wouldn't mind random nonsense like that if you could do insane stuff like that

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Well it's a tough design with Orks. If you make them reliable, people say: they're not fun anymore.
If you make them unreliable, people say: well, that’s garbage
I'd say without points it's impossible to say whether something is worth it.

I think people might be jumping the gun a bit. It is a pretty major change to go from totally random stats to randomly picking a profile. The edge cases of one shot at crap stats or six shots at Titan-nuking strength are gone, and there's less range in the variables you still roll for.

The SAG has more randomness but that's seemed pretty popular.

 catbarf wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Well it's a tough design with Orks. If you make them reliable, people say: they're not fun anymore.
If you make them unreliable, people say: well, that’s garbage
I'd say without points it's impossible to say whether something is worth it.

I think people might be jumping the gun a bit. It is a pretty major change to go from totally random stats to randomly picking a profile. The edge cases of one shot at crap stats or six shots at Titan-nuking strength are gone, and there's less range in the variables you still roll for.

The SAG has more randomness but that's seemed pretty popular.

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised to see a strat that let's you pick the profile for the whole unit...

You have to give GW points for trying to upsell Dakka when it a cut-rate Rapid Fire.

 alextroy wrote:
You have to give GW points for trying to upsell Dakka when it a cut-rate Rapid Fire.

I assume it'll be Assault+, where you get about half of RF on top. Otherwise it fails to represent the whole point of that rule: running forward with the trigger held down.

Not thrilled with the Rokkits moving to Heavy, since the -1 to move penalty will counteract the additional shots and just make you roll an extra time for the RoF d3.

Overall, though, I'd rather have just kept DDD as a rule, but with a 6 being an extra hit, instead. Mostly works out to be the same, saves a step, and you aren't hosed by -1 to hit.

 alextroy wrote:
You have to give GW points for trying to upsell Dakka when it a cut-rate Rapid Fire.

Sort of true, but statwise Dakka weapons still tend to have higher rates of fire compared to Rapid Fire, especially past half range.

Kebabcito wrote:
For me, super big nerfs to dakka

It's mostly better.

Take the big shoota:

3 shots with old DDD was 1.16 hits
3 shots now is 1 hit or 1.66 at short. That's a pretty nice buff to a 36" gun.




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 Dendarien wrote:

jullevi wrote:
I want to know how many Bubble Chukkas can I have in an army and how much time it's going to take to shoot them all.

Rumor is mek guns capped at 3 per unit so you can have 9.

This is a good change considering other incoming buffs. It will help lists lean away from mek gun spam.

Dakka weapon is better than DDD if you are within half range. It is worse in that there is nothing if you are not within half range.

Some people likely noticed shootas are 18", half being 9" so no deep striking them in to get lots of shots.

Dakka weapon looks good in that you can advance and get more shots at half range, 30 shoots boys advancing with DDD were scoring 11 hits, now they are likely to score around 15 hits.

The rokkit launcher on a vehicle looks really solid, basically getting twice as many shots as before on average. I think that is the real winner here, along with KMB

blaktoof wrote:
The rokkit launcher on a vehicle looks really solid, basically getting twice as many shots as before on average. I think that is the real winner here, along with KMB

Yea - this is another piece that helps Orks transition away from Mekgunz if they want to.

I really suspect that one of the clan traits is advance + fire and some other ways to improve the shooting.


And if none noticed from article, Gorkanauts gatling gun is glorious 30/20 shot weapon now. Just hope that it stays in Heavy slot...

Will it be morkanaught & stomped meta???

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
You have to give GW points for trying to upsell Dakka when it a cut-rate Rapid Fire.

Sort of true, but statwise Dakka weapons still tend to have higher rates of fire compared to Rapid Fire, especially past half range.

It seems to vary wildly by the weapon. I'm sure someone will math it all out at some point.
The real upside is it cuts down on some pointless dice rolling and fishing for 6s.

But honestly, it seems like streamlining, but not something to actually get excited about.

blaktoof wrote:The rokkit launcher on a vehicle looks really solid, basically getting twice as many shots as before on average. I think that is the real winner here, along with KMB

Yeah, on vehicles its a broad improvement. On infantry...

WarCom wrote:But what they lack in accuracy they’ve always made up for in rate of fire and raw enthusiasm – a tactical approach the Orks themselves have dubbed ‘dakka’.

I love GW's inability to remember past editions at all.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Will it be morkanaught & stomped meta???

30 shots is a lot, but not that much when it comes to BS5. It will only kill a small handful of vanguard without some additional support. It's a model that has to punch, shoot, and be near a KFF to get the most out of it.

It might be OP but it would be awesome if Rokkit Kannons were added to Mek Guns.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Will it be morkanaught & stomped meta???

30 shots is a lot, but not that much when it comes to BS5. It will only kill a small handful of vanguard without some additional support. It's a model that has to punch, shoot, and be near a KFF to get the most out of it.

It was more a poke at Xenomancers worst fears made manifest.....

 Daedalus81 wrote:


This is a good change considering other incoming buffs. It will help lists lean away from mek gun spam.

Absolutely. And to be fair 9 mek gunz is still A LOT of mek gunz.

Very few people actually own the models to spam mek gunz properly. 10-18 mek gunz has never been real, despite Smasha Gunz being ultra undercosted and spammable on paper since 3 years, becuase you know those things cost 50$ per model.

The real difference is that now 4-6 mek gunz eat up two heavy support slots, which is a significant change.

 Trimarius wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
You have to give GW points for trying to upsell Dakka when it a cut-rate Rapid Fire.

I assume it'll be Assault+, where you get about half of RF on top. Otherwise it fails to represent the whole point of that rule: running forward with the trigger held down.

Not thrilled with the Rokkits moving to Heavy, since the -1 to move penalty will counteract the additional shots and just make you roll an extra time for the RoF d3.

Overall, though, I'd rather have just kept DDD as a rule, but with a 6 being an extra hit, instead. Mostly works out to be the same, saves a step, and you aren't hosed by -1 to hit.

Rokkits and KMB have blast now so at least when targeting units of 6+, you have max attacks.

DeathSkullz_MekBoss wrote:

Rokkits and KMB have blast now so at least when targeting units of 6+, you have max attacks.

DA termies without -1D better look out.

I’m just hoping that they remembered to add “Dakka weapons also count as assault” in the codex, because at the moment, that’s not what it says. So good luck getting into half range when you can’t advance and shoot…

I know it's niche but the shoota changes and the additional T do buff shoota trukk boys nicely. Though sadly you can't jump a big unit and use the full power of shootaz. Unless More Dakka lets you use the higher dakka profile at long range, assuming DDD is no longer a thing of course.