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 Platuan4th wrote:

Voss wrote:
By 12th edition they'll work out drop pods.

Why would they do that? Repulsors are already capable of orbital drops.

And why'd they do that? So were drop pods and land raiders.
Presumably GW still wants to sell those kits, and currently they aren't usable with these new characters or their swords..

You just wait and see how much you love the new Boyz kit when in the next Ork codex you read: "Each Boyz mob consist of 5 Boyz equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa, 3 Boyz equipped with a Shoota, one Boy equipped with a Big Shoota and one Boss Nob equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa. You may add up to 5 Boyz equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa and up to 3 Boyz equipped with a Shoota..."

SemperMortis wrote:
Its been so long since I've bought boyz I had to check. Currently in the US its $36 for a boyz kit which includes 11 models (10 boyz and a nob)

Assuming this goes up to at a minimum $50 like the Tau firewarriors or $60 like the relatively brand new Sisters of Battle squad, that means atm to get 33 models, or more than enough to equip a single full Mob you need $108.

To equip a full mob of Choppa boyz would take 6 full boxes, so you are talking $300-360, if you wanted shoota boyz (why?) you need 10 kits (3 in every box) so you are talking anywhere from $500 to $600 for a single full Troops choice of your choosing.

Not only is this unrealistic, its mentally deficient, if anything this new kit is going to HURT Orkz, no new player is going to want to get into the hobby when you have to spend more than $1,000 just to have 3 full troops choices. Not to mention, atm Orkz are 9ppm. Nobody is going to want to spend that much for what amounts to at most 810pts, Especially since boyz are garbage right now.

The only feasible reason for this level of short bus from GW is that this is just one last effort to crush Ork horde armies. "You can't play Horde if you can't afford the models"

I think it has already been leaked that the new kit will be $45.

 stahly wrote:
Lots of strong feelings about the new Boyz kit.

Why don't you tell Games Workhop directly what kind of models you want and what not?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Contact-Us

Please be polite and constructive though, that always improves the chances that someone will listen.

You know way actually works unlike that? Wallet.

 Oguhmek wrote:
You just wait and see how much you love the new Boyz kit when in the next Ork codex you read: "Each Boyz mob consist of 5 Boyz equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa, 3 Boyz equipped with a Shoota, one Boy equipped with a Big Shoota and one Boss Nob equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa. You may add up to 5 Boyz equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa and up to 3 Boyz equipped with a Shoota..."

Quoted for truth. And exalted.

 Oguhmek wrote:
You just wait and see how much you love the new Boyz kit when in the next Ork codex you read: "Each Boyz mob consist of 5 Boyz equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa, 3 Boyz equipped with a Shoota, one Boy equipped with a Big Shoota and one Boss Nob equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa. You may add up to 5 Boyz equipped with a Slugga and a Choppa and up to 3 Boyz equipped with a Shoota..."

Tbf, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone claiming the new Boyz kit is *good*. That it sucks is about as close as this forum gets to a consensus.

 Jidmah wrote:

I think it has already been leaked that the new kit will be $45.

Much appreciated Jid I missed that one. So only a 25% increase in price for fewer models, fewer options and no organic way to field 1 type of boyz MSU.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Sure, but do they make up a large portion of sales *right now*. It's a 20yo kit, I'm sure it's sold many many copies in that 20 years, but how many are being shifted *now* is what plays into the decision GW made to replace it.

Skink, veteran ork players have all the boyz they will likely ever need. New players don't. The problem is that this kit is bad to start an ork army with which means new ork players are a bit screwed. Going by what Jid said in regards to price ($45) it will cost you $90 to field 1 MSU mob of 10 choppa boyz. if you want to do shoota boyz it will cost you $135 for 1 MSU mob. If you want to field a small green tide of 90 Shoota boyz....well GG to your bank account. $1200+ for 90 shoota boyz Definitely affordable for new players right?

I'll wager this will see a small bump in sales at first and then a plunge as players realize how bad this is and stay away from it. Sadly, this may be bad for the ork army in general long term as far as new players. And then GW will use this as an excuse to ignore us for another decade.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

It's probably just a matter of perspective, you guys seem to think things are great as they are and don't want change, I think they're pretty mediocre as they are. These 20 year old core kits whether they be Orks, Cadians or Termagants don't inspire me next to all the other things I could waste my time painting, and so I don't mind GW rolling the dice on trying to improve them. As much as the nework kits suck, I'm gonna buy more of them than I will the old Ork kit.

If you really love the old Orks so much, they're still in stock on every GW regional store and many independent stores, stock up while you can I guess.

Things aren't "Great", but they aren't bad. This new ork kit is in fact "bad". Old players might buy a box or two to give their current mobz a bit of flavor but thats about it. New players will buy maybe 1-3 before saying F*** this and going to EBay to buy the old kits for 1/2 the price. And us older players don't need to "stock up" because we have more then enough as is I'm currently waiting for the new Kommando kit to go on sale because I had to kustom build mine and I want the real models, I just didn't want to spend $50+ for 5 failcast kommandos so this new kit is actually exciting...and it has options!

50/ 50.

I like the new Snakebites, and the Godzilla Squigs.

The New Boi's and the lack of carrying over the old school fun and random-ness of the Orks... not so much.

Unfortunately, the new Snakebites have been neutered, and are now the FOTM Orks, and the fart in the wind ones with head swaps were an offspring of another project, such as a board game, or an expansion set. If you are paying more then 25- 30 bucks for a box of these new guys, then I really can't help you. Those new Boi's are really lacking.

To me, the new Commandos are a far cry from your new Boi kits. They do not even look like they belong together, let alone in the same mobs. Along with that-
I think the new Codex should be pulled, Edited, and screened for both content, and then yet again- for Proofreading. To say that this one was A Half Hearted Effort is being kind.

110% stocked up on 20+ mobs. In addition to 2d through 9th Edition mobs. Could use a few more tanks, buggies, truks, and the home made vehicles from the White Dwarf. Which is my next Project...

SemperMortis wrote:
Skink, veteran ork players have all the boyz they will likely ever need. New players don't. The problem is that this kit is bad to start an ork army with which means new ork players are a bit screwed. Going by what Jid said in regards to price ($45) it will cost you $90 to field 1 MSU mob of 10 choppa boyz. if you want to do shoota boyz it will cost you $135 for 1 MSU mob. If you want to field a small green tide of 90 Shoota boyz....well GG to your bank account. $1200+ for 90 shoota boyz Definitely affordable for new players right?

Again, I don't disagree it's a bad option for those people. I can only imagine GW don't think people who buy many kits of Boyz make up most of their sales (at least currently, even if it might have been the case in the past).

If for every person that buys 100 Boyz there's 20 people that buys only 10 to 20 Boyz, it might make sense that GW did what they did.

And again, I'm not defending GW's choice, I'm trying to understand it. GW have better data than we do, maybe they just made a massive misstep, or maybe they're acting on what their data is telling them, or maybe it's part of a bigger plan that we haven't seen yet.

Things aren't "Great", but they aren't bad. This new ork kit is in fact "bad". Old players might buy a box or two to give their current mobz a bit of flavor but thats about it. New players will buy maybe 1-3 before saying F*** this and going to EBay to buy the old kits for 1/2 the price. And us older players don't need to "stock up" because we have more then enough as is I'm currently waiting for the new Kommando kit to go on sale because I had to kustom build mine and I want the real models, I just didn't want to spend $50+ for 5 failcast kommandos so this new kit is actually exciting...and it has options!

The underlined bits are exactly the points I presented earlier in this discussion. If old players have hit their Boyz limit, and new players aren't buying Boyz because they're uninspiring, from GW's perspective getting old players to buy a couple of kits and a bunch of new players to buy a couple of kits that's a net win for GW. Especially if those new players go on to buy a box of Snagga Boyz, Buggies, Battlewagons, Bikes, Dakkajets, Flash Gitz, Characters, Kill Rigs, Mek Gunz, etc, then from GW's perspective this set will have achieved its goal.

GW could have released a kit more akin to the Gutrippaz that just came out, with interchangeable weapons and heads, I can only assume they didn't either because of incompetence, or they have more data than us and felt based on that data what they did is the better option for whatever crazy reason, or maybe they have future plans for Orks.

I will admit, I personally think 40k has mostly gone down the crapper as a game, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if these days most people who buy 40k models are just doing it as display pieces rather than as gaming pieces.

I do wonder if most of GW's sales these days just end up in one of the many piles of shame

H.B.M.C. wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
... so hopefully GW are listening.

It seems the net result of their big survey this year was "You seem to love the yearly points updates, so now we're going to double how much you pay for these each year!", I'm not sure we want them listening to us anymore; it just makes things worse.

kodos wrote:
this is the main problem since end of 7th Edition, GW does listen to the community, but the conclusions they make from what you tell them is very often the opposite of what people wanted (remember, we got 8th and 9th because people told them that the entry barrier is too high and there is too much rules bloat)

Have you considered that GW are listening and your opinions are not a reflection of what the player base at large actually wants? Because basically everything in this announcement was what I asked for and I know multiple people who share a similar opinion with me.

Narrative campaign seasons to flesh out the lore and provide new settings to focus on

...but don't rotate these campaigns so quickly that they feel like an afterthought and also become prohibitively expensive to keep up.

Make the narrative of the campaign actually impact the setting in someway. (minor changes being better than "the entire fate of the galaxy rested on it's edge...but the Ultramarines showed up and it was 'kay")

Continued small releases spread around the factions of specialized units or campaign related characters.

More supplements and expanded detail for individual Clans, Craftworlds, Hivefleets, etc.

More support for Crusade and other ways to personalize our armies.

So I mean, we'll see how the actually execution will go but I'm pretty positive about the announcement.

 Jack Flask wrote:
Have you considered that GW are listening and your opinions are not a reflection of what the player base at large actually wants?

Simply impossible!

(That was a joke. Calm down)

 Jack Flask wrote:

Narrative campaign seasons to flesh out the lore and provide new settings to focus on

They were doing that already.

 Jack Flask wrote:

...but don't rotate these campaigns so quickly that they feel like an afterthought and also become prohibitively expensive to keep up.

They were rotating them quickly? They did two campaign settings in two years, split across four books. So two a year. This will also be... two a year.

 Jack Flask wrote:

Make the narrative of the campaign actually impact the setting in someway. (minor changes being better than "the entire fate of the galaxy rested on it's edge...but the Ultramarines showed up and it was 'kay")

They tried that when 8th started, and immediately pulled back from an ongoing story back to what 40k actually is: A setting in which stories are told.

 Jack Flask wrote:

Continued small releases spread around the factions of specialized units or campaign related characters.

I just read that as "fragmented Codices" or "DLC after I've already bought a book". Some people like to have their rules in one place, not several.

 Jack Flask wrote:

More supplements and expanded detail for individual Clans, Craftworlds, Hivefleets, etc.

The rules for something should be in its book. Do you think Dark Eldar and AdMech players appreciated getting their 9th Ed Codices only to find more rules for them in campaign books either released before or at the same time as their book? I think they'd've preferred to have all their rules in their Codex, and not split out into Day-1 DLC.

 Jack Flask wrote:

More support for Crusade and other ways to personalize our armies.

How is it more support for Crusade exactly? It seems like something they were already doing.

 Jack Flask wrote:
So I mean, we'll see how the actually execution will go but I'm pretty positive about the announcement.

GW has historically been wonderful at ideas and awful at execution of said ideas, so I think your confidence is wildly misplaced.

OK doke.

Good news, from Warhammer Community.

Ork fans of a certain vintage will meanwhile be pleased to discover that the old Ork Boyz kit is staying on sale, so you can mix and match to muster the best mob of lads this side of Ullanor.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
OK doke.

Good news, from Warhammer Community.

Ork fans of a certain vintage will meanwhile be pleased to discover that the old Ork Boyz kit is staying on sale, so you can mix and match to muster the best mob of lads this side of Ullanor.

Yes. Everyone can stop crying now. It’s all ok.

Still a huge dissapointement, since it probably means that we won't get a real new ork boys kit in the near/medium future. The old one, while customizable, is starting to show his age.

So do you need to buy a box of old and a box of new to have one unit? Is the new box an upgrade kit?

Ok, so some folk are still going to cry a bit.


1. Got new ORK boyz= didn’t want new ones wanted to keep the old ones.

2. Old boyz not going anywhere= rubbish! Wanted new ones.

But…..”no not those new ones, different new ones!”

Refer to point one again and repeat.


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 NAVARRO wrote:
So do you need to buy a box of old and a box of new to have one unit? Is the new box an upgrade kit?

You get everything you need for a unit in each box so buy either or both.

Older box for more more flexible load outs and all options

Newer box for better models/poses but minimal flexibility.

 NAVARRO wrote:
So do you need to buy a box of old and a box of new to have one unit? Is the new box an upgrade kit?

Nope. Two separate kits. I’m fairly sure the only difference is the Nobz equipment load out?

 NAVARRO wrote:
So do you need to buy a box of old and a box of new to have one unit? Is the new box an upgrade kit?

They both give you one unit?

You can argue all you want that the new kit is bad because it limits the number of Shootas, but it's still a valid unit.

Andykp wrote:
Ok, so some folk are still going to cry a bit.


1. Got new ORK boyz= didn’t want new ones wanted to keep the old ones.

2. Old boyz not going anywhere= rubbish! Wanted new ones.

But…..”no not those new ones, different new ones!”

Refer to point one again and repeat.

To my knowledge, when most people say "I want a new set of Ork Boys models," they wanted something similar to the old box (options for everything, plenty of modularity and customizability, compatible with other kits) but updated to look better.

I don't think anyone wanted 10 monopose Ork Boys with 5 Choppas, 3 Shootas, 1 Heavy Weapon, 1 Nob, and close to zero customizability.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
So do you need to buy a box of old and a box of new to have one unit? Is the new box an upgrade kit?

Nope. Two separate kits. I’m fairly sure the only difference is the Nobz equipment load out?

And you don't need to buy 3 old boxes to get minimum sized shoota equipped squad with 3 poses 3 times.

Old one is superior.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
OK doke.

Good news, from Warhammer Community.

Ork fans of a certain vintage will meanwhile be pleased to discover that the old Ork Boyz kit is staying on sale, so you can mix and match to muster the best mob of lads this side of Ullanor.

Is this a first? I can't recall GW ever keeping an old kit available when releasing a new one.

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
So do you need to buy a box of old and a box of new to have one unit? Is the new box an upgrade kit?

Nope. Two separate kits. I’m fairly sure the only difference is the Nobz equipment load out?

And you don't need to buy 3 old boxes to get minimum sized shoota equipped squad with 3 poses 3 times.

Old one is superior.

Superior indeed.


Someone noticed:

"Ork fans of a certain vintage will meanwhile be pleased to discover that the old Ork Boyz kit is staying on sale, so you can mix and match to muster the best mob of lads this side of Ullanor."

From today article:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/30/in-a-year-of-incredible-miniatures-greenskins-smashed-their-way-to-the-top-with-kunnin-and-dakka/

I see, so basically you have more models options now which is good for a swarm like army.
Not sure why they didn't add an extra sprue with all the weapons load outs on the new kit, something like Necromunda weapons sprues.

Oh well a bit of an odd one but this should keep most satisfied.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I see, so basically you have more models options now which is good for a swarm like army.
Not sure why they didn't add an extra sprue with all the weapons load outs on the new kit, something like Necromunda weapons sprues.

Oh well a bit of an odd one but this should keep most satisfied.

Have you looked at the sprues for the new Boyz?

We're not talking about an extra sprue with weapons. We'd be talking about whole bodies in some instances.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I see, so basically you have more models options now which is good for a swarm like army.
Not sure why they didn't add an extra sprue with all the weapons load outs on the new kit, something like Necromunda weapons sprues.

Oh well a bit of an odd one but this should keep most satisfied.

Have you looked at the sprues for the new Boyz?

We're not talking about an extra sprue with weapons. We'd be talking about whole bodies in some instances.

No I haven't looked into the sprues, damn I assumed they had detachable arms even if legs and bodies were one... thats not a clever way to do multipart, multiple load outs unit! Wow. No need for that sort of design these days.

Truthfully, I think the idea behind them is to simply have a "Quick Build" option for the army.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Truthfully, I think the idea behind them is to simply have a "Quick Build" option for the army.

The problem is that they look too different. I would not mix them with the old boyz. The now ones definitely look better, so it is a shame they didn't do a proper full update to this aesthetic.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I see, so basically you have more models options now which is good for a swarm like army.
Not sure why they didn't add an extra sprue with all the weapons load outs on the new kit, something like Necromunda weapons sprues.

Oh well a bit of an odd one but this should keep most satisfied.

Have you looked at the sprues for the new Boyz?

We're not talking about an extra sprue with weapons. We'd be talking about whole bodies in some instances.

No I haven't looked into the sprues, damn I assumed they had detachable arms even if legs and bodies were one... thats not a clever way to do multipart, multiple load outs unit! Wow. No need for that sort of design these days.

They're basically push fit models, which is why originally some people thought they might not even be released separately.


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 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Truthfully, I think the idea behind them is to simply have a "Quick Build" option for the army.

The problem is that they look too different. I would not mix them with the old boyz. The now ones definitely look better, so it is a shame they didn't do a proper full update to this aesthetic.

Whilst I think the new ones do look better, if I had a swarm of old ones I'd be happy enough adding these ones to the mix.

As much as like their decision, I am pretty mad now. This is the second time that GW screwed me over with this topic. I want to build a Kill Team of Orks with lots of boys, now I bought the second time in the name of "Last chance to buy" the old boys and now they say that its still going to be available. This is screwing over my monthly hobby money pot. I just hope that they dont change the Loota boys box in the foreseeable future.

I've been wondering if there was a plan to do a proper update to them when the second factory went live but the lack of that happening means the plans got shelved for the time being.

Same thing goes for the Cadians to be honest.


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 herjan1987 wrote:
As much as like their decision, I am pretty mad now. This is the second time that GW screwed me over with this topic. I want to build a Kill Team of Orks with lots of boys, now I bought the second time in the name of "Last chance to buy" the old boys and now they say that its still going to be available. This is screwing over my monthly hobby money pot. I just hope that they dont change the Loota boys box in the foreseeable future.

They never said they were going away. They would have put them under "Last Chance to Buy" if they had been.