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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
Yeah, there is absolutely zero chance of them announcing a codex schedule more than three to four months in advance. Nil. I doubt even that at the moment.

They can announce the sequence, just not the dates.

Even the sequence would probably be a mistake, with the possibility of a book (or associated minis/packaging) getting stuck somewhere along the supply chain, better to just say these 3 are coming, wait and see which comes first so the can swap things round if they need to

You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

 Overread wrote:
Beasts of Chaos shifting to Destruction might be fine for pure beasts players, but I know a lot of Slaanesh and other mono-god armies often use Beasts of Chaos models in their forces.

That said perhaps GW is considering making the next Beasts of Chaos army split between Chaos and Destruction. Introducing two basic sub-faction groups within the battletome - one pure wild destruction and the other tainted by chaos. Limiting some of the unit options with each so that they are distinct and yet related.

Or even do what they've done with other forces that share a lot of cross over units and just have the models cross over nad have two distinct battletomes and armies - again with their own unique flavour units as well.

Sure, something like that would make sense. There are order and chaos humans* so there could be destruction and chaos beastmen.

* Weirdly, there are no destruction humans. They could and should be a thing. 'Barbarians' are a popular fantasy trope, but in Warhammer that's tied to chaos, and that is turn off to many people.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

Back when I started in WHFB and 40k it was typical to have an army of normal sized things and *maybe* one or two big centrepiece models. These days it seems the other way around, and when everything is special nothing is special.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

Back when I started in WHFB and 40k it was typical to have an army of normal sized things and *maybe* one or two big centrepiece models. These days it seems the other way around, and when everything is special nothing is special.

How many games of AoS have you actually played? Because most armies are not a ton of centerpiece models. Outside special cases like beastclaw raiders and mega gargants, of course.

And the same goes for 40k. Of course, we are no longer in the game were a leman russ and a dreadnought were the biggest of things. Maybe you now face a imperial guard army with 3 leman russes and a couple of vehicles and infantry, or a Tyranid list with 1 or 2 big bugs. But still, most people play armies that look just as they looked back then.

I mean. Your typical Lumineth army will have, at best, one giant cow elemental or Teclis as the only centerpiece model. The points don't allow for much else.

My feeling is they are going to cover what's left of the Sisters release (Guessing a flyer and something else), have a big Ork Reveal, and maybe the dex after that(Daemons?).

Not sure if that will be split up between 2 days or what.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

Back when I started in WHFB and 40k it was typical to have an army of normal sized things and *maybe* one or two big centrepiece models. These days it seems the other way around, and when everything is special nothing is special.

Yeah, that's how I feel. And I know I liked it at first. I remember when the plastic Trygon came out and I was pretty excited to get that. But it was a kinda special thing, and I didn't include it in every battle. Even back in 2nd edition, when admittedly it was more of a small scale skirmish game, I wasn't crazy about having a bunch of vehicles in a game, because it seemed to take away from what the game was about, the firefights/combats between squads. A vehicle heavy force could really unbalance things if the other side didn't have a lot of anti-armor weapons and really take the focus away from the infantry.

But since that Trygon came out, it has gotten more and more extreme. The Trygon initially felt like a pretty special thing I'd bring out for the really big games. Now it seems like every game will have several things that size or bigger. And it does take the focus away from the squads of guys.

It's a terrible marketing strategy to not announce a schedule, you need a schedule to drive sales, everyone will just stop buying things even more so than they already are and get even more frustrated with the lack of releases. You risk stalling on the hype train and impacting sales.

Better to announce the absolute NEXT thing, say that's the admech codex with marshall (assuming no more new models), then say the rest is 'coming afterwards'.

Then, once that next thing is in people's hands you announce the next thing that's on its way.

The problem they have at the moment is they set the schedule probably last year and some of those things couldn't be held back, like the Charadon book of rust, and the reason why we've already seen loads of admech datasheet leaks well before pre-order.

Ultimately all the delays have come to a head and they had no choice but to announce a slow down of releases to catch up in some way. Which i'm sure they hated but the hype train was already being derailed something chronic anyway, so they cut their losses I guess.

Kdash wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Kragnos is a refreshing change for GW, it shows restraint. Most models that GW produce these days are too busy for my tastes, also makes them a pain to paint.

Kragnos is a nice clean sculpture that is posed in a way that look nice and isn't over the top, the level of ornamentation is just at the sweet spot.

If GW were to make a race of things like this, it may get me to buy some GW models, which is something I haven't done in about 3 years.

Having said that, doubt I'd use them in AoS, just port them over to Age of Fantasy Regiments.

My problem is this -

Which model would you prefer (if you were just buying a cool centre piece model)? Kroak or Kragnos?



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Sotahullu wrote:
So as 40k day is planned for 2 separate days does anyone have predictions or hunch what there is going to be?

I do think we see today rest of the SoB and announcement on codex (also for AdMech).

However, I really suspect that large reveal on new orks will not happen until friday.

After all that, we may see GSC and/or Eldar if going by rumour engine.

One day will probably be SoB and AdMech as we know a fair bit about them already and i'd be surprised if there were even more new models for them both.

I'd love the 2nd day to be something new, along with an estimated schedule of Codex releases. Just having that bit of scheduling would really help make it feel like the end is in sight.

What's to preview for admech? No new models
We haven't alreaay seen, codex was already announced...not much to preview

Ah, sorry. I meant with AdMech that there is possibly some talk about it.

Yeah, I'd be pretty damn underwhelmed if the big Warhammer Fest announcement for 40K was the codex and model we already knew was coming...

 Galas wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

Back when I started in WHFB and 40k it was typical to have an army of normal sized things and *maybe* one or two big centrepiece models. These days it seems the other way around, and when everything is special nothing is special.

How many games of AoS have you actually played? Because most armies are not a ton of centerpiece models. Outside special cases like beastclaw raiders and mega gargants, of course.

And the same goes for 40k. Of course, we are no longer in the game were a leman russ and a dreadnought were the biggest of things. Maybe you now face a imperial guard army with 3 leman russes and a couple of vehicles and infantry, or a Tyranid list with 1 or 2 big bugs. But still, most people play armies that look just as they looked back then.

I mean. Your typical Lumineth army will have, at best, one giant cow elemental or Teclis as the only centerpiece model. The points don't allow for much else.

2-3 big cows isn't that hard actually. 2 cows same as teclis more or less

Crispy78 wrote:
Yeah, I'd be pretty damn underwhelmed if the big Warhammer Fest announcement for 40K was the codex and model we already knew was coming...

Nah we are going to get Nids for sure.

Based on what? Rumour engine pics that turned out to be sylvaneth?

tneva82 wrote:
Based on what? Rumour engine pics that turned out to be sylvaneth?

THis?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

Back when I started in WHFB and 40k it was typical to have an army of normal sized things and *maybe* one or two big centrepiece models. These days it seems the other way around, and when everything is special nothing is special.

Same. I quit AOS back in 2019 after getting tired of bonkers free summoning and triple greater demons in every game.

I like big models, but i don't like them always dominating the game or having to field a 900 point model in a 2000 point game doing most if not all of the actual things that matter.

I prefer army games. Not super hero games.

Yeah but the customer wants super heroes. Every time they release one of these big models it sells like absolute hotcakes. It's not my cup of tea either but unfortunately I think we're in the minority.

Soooooo how much longer until the 40k preview?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Soooooo how much longer until the 40k preview?

Its at 6pm BST so an hour and 5 mins from now

 auticus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

Back when I started in WHFB and 40k it was typical to have an army of normal sized things and *maybe* one or two big centrepiece models. These days it seems the other way around, and when everything is special nothing is special.

Same. I quit AOS back in 2019 after getting tired of bonkers free summoning and triple greater demons in every game.

I like big models, but i don't like them always dominating the game or having to field a 900 point model in a 2000 point game doing most if not all of the actual things that matter.

I prefer army games. Not super hero games.

Nothing is stopping you from playing games using armies made of mostly infantry. Just because centerpiece models are a thing doesn't mean you have to use them. This is very much one of those "talk to your opponent" situations, but the minis that GW chooses to release shouldn't be keeping you from playing games that you enjoy.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

I love 40k, but I can relate to this sentiment. Despite being much lower model count, playing Star Wars Legion is much more satisfying at the very specific feeling of infantry-men in combat. 40k definitely is going for something very different these days.

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Based on what? Rumour engine pics that turned out to be sylvaneth?

Spoiler:

This?

That's a Genestealer not a Nid

Ashaar wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Soooooo how much longer until the 40k preview?

Its at 6pm BST so an hour and 5 mins from now

Yeah, I was bummed when I realized that. I assumed it would start at 9 like they usually do, but nope, it's at 1


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Based on what? Rumour engine pics that turned out to be sylvaneth?

Spoiler:

This?

That's a Genestealer not a Nid

By sylvaneth, did you mean the insect eggs that are part of the Broken Realm's release? Idk who thought that was tyranid. Ambull or vespid maybe, but Tyranid? We still have some tentacles that are still a mystery, but are definitely closer to tyranid than anything else.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yeah but the customer wants super heroes. Every time they release one of these big models it sells like absolute hotcakes. It's not my cup of tea either but unfortunately I think we're in the minority.

Absolutely. Its easier to go down to the game store with a handful of models than it is to pack an entire army of models down there and back.

Its the world we live in.




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 Mr. Grey wrote:

 auticus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

Back when I started in WHFB and 40k it was typical to have an army of normal sized things and *maybe* one or two big centrepiece models. These days it seems the other way around, and when everything is special nothing is special.

Same. I quit AOS back in 2019 after getting tired of bonkers free summoning and triple greater demons in every game.

I like big models, but i don't like them always dominating the game or having to field a 900 point model in a 2000 point game doing most if not all of the actual things that matter.

I prefer army games. Not super hero games.

Nothing is stopping you from playing games using armies made of mostly infantry. Just because centerpiece models are a thing doesn't mean you have to use them. This is very much one of those "talk to your opponent" situations, but the minis that GW chooses to release shouldn't be keeping you from playing games that you enjoy.

The problem is I play games to play the game. And in many cases, not stacking up on the super heroes puts you at a huge mathematical disadvantage. Playing the game on nightmare hard mode all the time is also not fun. talking to your opponent wont help that. If they bought the latest power build, they likely dont want to own models that are sub optimal just so the people that dont want to keep up with the meta can have good game. Thats simply not most peoples' problem.

Additionally I enjoy army games vastly more. So even if I could pack an army of infantry that wasn't at a huge disadvantage to the triple whatever greater demons are currently busted these days builds, if you want army on army game - AoS is definitely never going to deliver that because at least where I was at - most people like the small model builds for efficiency, painting, storage, transportation reasons and that was the common builds being seen almost exclusively.

Approaching 6pm...

...all wings report in...

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
You know, I guess modern AoS and 40K just aren't for me, but I have to say that I'm just not interested in every faction being focused on giant "centrepiece" models. I kind of liked playing with armies of miniatures representing person-sized things.

I love 40k, but I can relate to this sentiment. Despite being much lower model count, playing Star Wars Legion is much more satisfying at the very specific feeling of infantry-men in combat. 40k definitely is going for something very different these days.

Honestly, there's nothing stopping you organizing a similar game with 40K with a like minded friend. Marines with a couple of foot characters, a dread, a couple tac sqds, dev squad, assault squad and a rhino. Similar for the opponent. It's also a great way to play with a new army instead of having to wait until you have 2000pts painted.

SamusDrake wrote:
Approaching 6pm...

...all wings report in...

Cynic Company, standing by.

Gonna be a good afternoon, GW show at 7 and then Dungeons&Lasers 3 kicks off at 8

 Arbitrator wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Approaching 6pm...

...all wings report in...

Cynic Company, standing by.

Chaotic Salt Company, standing by.

SamusDrake wrote:
Approaching 6pm...

...all wings report in...

This is red leader, overly-hopeful-for-guard-but-also-about-to-go-to-sleep-squadron reporting in. And reporting out.