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2021/05/20 10:42:44
Subject: Re:Marvel Comics & 40k - Sisters of Battle
Cronch wrote: Wow, 100k? I doubt there's that many warhammer players in the world...
And? You see '40K fans only' anywhere on the cover? There is plenty of female comic audience that would love to read well written comic with all-women badass cast, especially seeing 95% of comics are pure sausage fest. You grow the market by trying new things, not retreading same-same stuff appealing only to old, small minority that is way oversaturated at the moment.
Cronch wrote: The artist probably drew pistol poses, then got the notes how a bolter looks, and just...embiggened the pistol into a bolter.
Um, no. That's not how it works. Artists, who have really gakky deadlines, will combine stock poses (in this example, 'woman firing submachine gun') and clipart, 3D model of a weapon, to save time. Alas, GW probably insisted on their stupid, 'heroic' 3D models of bolters (and not thin, more realistic weapons some of their artists draw) and what is really reasonable pose now looks dumb because no real weapon has comical proportions/handling of brick bolters. Pistol? How? Literally none of them, especially top ones, look anything like handling any pistol I have ever seen...
Comics are a dying media, their age is long past us. Nobody buys physical comics. Nobody talks about physical comics. Nobody really gives a gak about physical comics. Even making them more 'diverse', which has been going since forever, with making established characters into women and minorities isn't remotely saving them. And personally? Good, the entire comic industry can go die in a fire.
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Cronch wrote: Wow, 100k? I doubt there's that many warhammer players in the world...
100K players world wide would be a massively conservative underestimation of player numbers alone and I can tell you from past experience working at Barnes and Noble and selling tons of Black Library novels to people who admit to never playing that there are way more 40K FANS than there will ever be actual players. 100K people buying a #1 issue of a 40K comic would definitely be possible, but it's a very LOW possibility that has nothing to do with how many players of the game there are.
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Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Comics are a dying media, their age is long past us. Nobody buys physical comics. Nobody talks about physical comics. Nobody really gives a gak about physical comics. Even making them more 'diverse', which has been going since forever, with making established characters into women and minorities isn't remotely saving them. And personally? Good, the entire comic industry can go die in a fire.
You seem to post a lot of very 'negative' posts in almost every GW thread (and the Wargames Atlantic thread). Your tagline is a diatribe against GW.
Why are you punishing yourself by continually leaping into everything in this industry that appears to leave you cold?
Anyhoo, stating opinion as fact doesn't make you correct.
I have been a regular reader of 2000AD since 1982 and have no intention on ending my hard copy subscription anytime soon.
Therefore, stating 'nobody' is incorrect. There is at least one person who reads and cares.
Care to expand on why the comics industry should 'die in a fire'?
You may be hiding some very good points that others haven't considered behind your contentious statements.
I mean, comics aren't dying. Mass produced superhero comics are, but indie stuff still sells.
and what is really reasonable pose now looks dumb because no real weapon has comical proportions/handling of brick bolters.
If I never touched a marvel comics your jedi mind-trick might've worked, but I've seen some of the absolute refrigerators that pass as handguns there so..
There's a lot to complain about mass print media comic books, from the utter disonance of some modern creators with the figures they work with.
To the questionable poltisation following out of above, or the flandersiation running whole ip's and charachters into the ground....
To just talentless writers and painters...
but being negativ for negativity sake... dunno ... i mean i am highly negative torwards gw as a company. doesn't mean i hate the IP, much less the tabletop Hobby.
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Cronch wrote: I mean, comics aren't dying. Mass produced superhero comics are, but indie stuff still sells.
and what is really reasonable pose now looks dumb because no real weapon has comical proportions/handling of brick bolters.
If I never touched a marvel comics your jedi mind-trick might've worked, but I've seen some of the absolute refrigerators that pass as handguns there so..
This is from The Fantastic Four. The best guess is that the artist (Rob Liefeld?) forgot Franklin was supposed to be holding a gun and added it later.
His Master's Voice wrote: You gotta add some qualifiers when you say 'comics are dying'. Manga seems to be thriving, and European comic industry is doing okay.
Dunno, maybe the US market is going down the drain, but even if it is, it doesn't really mean much globally.
The US market is doing fine, especially including indies and publishers like IDW. When people talk about "the comic industry dying", they really either mean super hero comics/the Big 2(and even then the vast majority of the time they really mean they don't like the direction they're going and justify it as the industry dying) or they mean the environment they're used to, ie. physical comics in a physical shop. Digital sale for comics are very healthy sales wise and most physical locations are keeping afloat by also offering Magic singles and/or selling the rare variants for secondary market prices online. "The comic industry is dying" is generally grognard for "I don't like change!"
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beast_gts wrote: This is from The Fantastic Four. The best guess is that the artist (Rob Liefeld?) forgot Franklin was supposed to be holding a gun and added it later.
Spoiler:
Sometimes, I look at my portfolio and ask myself "why would anyone hire you?".
But then I see things like this, and all is well.
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Marvel Comics Division must really need the injection from GW if they are making another. It was my, perhaps wrong, understanding that Calgar was a flop.
Well, Comic Books are a notoriously dead and unprofitable media, so...
Which is why the aptly named Bad Idea Comics baffles me. Why a publishing company would intentionally hamstring the actually profitable ways for stores to sell just to try and get back to feel of pre-Marvel bankruptcy stores and the practices that led to said bankruptcy is... well, I'll once again point out how apt the name is.
I think thats kind of a questionable take - one could argue that the reason retailers are having to sell comics in such a manner is because publishers have made it that way through their own questionable practices (i.e. forcing retailers to buy x many copies of a comic that they won't sell in order to get 1 copy of a premium cover that can be sold at a higher price, etc.). In turn publishers are engaging in these practices because they are chasing the money from collectors and speculators as opposed to regular readers and are trying to promote artificial scarcity to encourage further speculation. In turn this alienates regular readers and fans, etc etc etc.
Bad Idea is trying to provide a product that is consumer friendly and profitable for itself and its retailers without engaging in the pro-collector/speculator practices that have largely alienated many comic readers and which remain largely unpopular with comic retailers - its not enough for them to simply provide the product though, they have to ensure that the existing business practices that have poisoned the industry are not utilized with it in order for it to work. Ultimately Bad Idea is an experiment, which is why IIRC theres only like a dozen or so stores selling their product in accordance with their policies.
Cronch wrote: Wow, 100k? I doubt there's that many warhammer players in the world...
There has to be alot more than 100k players in the whole world? I mean there are Warhammer Youtube-channels with several hundred thousand subscribers.
I've definitely felt that the last couple of years of video games, novels and all the other non-gaming stuff have drawn in a few Warhammer-fans that don't even touch the miniatures. Not saying it's a big crowd but a Sisters Of Battle comicbook should be able to sell a 100k copies if it's well done and marketed.
Yeah, I know, BIG if!
IIRC the initial print run of Indomitus (which sold out immediately) was like 120-170k copies or something like that, but a lot of people bought multiple copies so its not a clear indicator of how many actual customers there were. Unclear how many more copies were done as Made to Order, but it seems that the made to order wave was massively over-ordered considering how many copies of the damned thing seem to be floating around everywhere today.
Cronch wrote: Wow, 100k? I doubt there's that many warhammer players in the world...
100K players world wide would be a massively conservative underestimation of player numbers alone and I can tell you from past experience working at Barnes and Noble and selling tons of Black Library novels to people who admit to never playing that there are way more 40K FANS than there will ever be actual players. 100K people buying a #1 issue of a 40K comic would definitely be possible, but it's a very LOW possibility that has nothing to do with how many players of the game there are.
I think you're massively over-estimating the player count, keeping in mind theres lots of people who spend large sums of money on the minis but don't actually play the game.
The US market is doing fine, especially including indies and publishers like IDW. When people talk about "the comic industry dying", they really either mean super hero comics/the Big 2(and even then the vast majority of the time they really mean they don't like the direction they're going and justify it as the industry dying) or they mean the environment they're used to, ie. physical comics in a physical shop. Digital sale for comics are very healthy sales wise and most physical locations are keeping afloat by also offering Magic singles and/or selling the rare variants for secondary market prices online. "The comic industry is dying" is generally grognard for "I don't like change!"
Aye, digital comics and trade paperbacks sell really well, the individual paper issues that come out weekly or monthly or whatever? Not so much.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: Weird that (as far as I can tell) GW didn't post anything on Warcom.
Yeah, just a short post on the Warhammer 40,000 FB page. I wonder if it's something to be announced Saturday and they though it had been leaked somewhere?
chaos0xomega wrote: Weird that (as far as I can tell) GW didn't post anything on Warcom.
Yeah, just a short post on the Warhammer 40,000 FB page. I wonder if it's something to be announced Saturday and they though it had been leaked somewhere?
Survive the Grim Darkness of the Far Future with the Sisters of Battle in Marvel Comics’ New Warhammer 40,000 Series
'Warhammer 40,000: Sisters of Battle' #1 by Torunn Grønbekk and Edgar Salazar coming this August!
After the success of last year’s WARHAMMER 40,000: MARNEUS CALGAR comic book series, Marvel Comics and Games Workshop’s exciting collaboration will continue this August with WARHAMMER 40,000: SISTERS OF BATTLE #1!
Written by Torunn Grønbekk (The Mighty Valkyries) with art by Edgar Salazar (Uncanny X-Men), this latest team up will delight those familiar with the popular tabletop game phenomenon and serve as a perfect introduction for newcomers to the grim future of the 41st millennium that has captured the imagination of millions of fans around the world! The new series will tell an all-new action packed adventure of the sisterhood of warriors known as the Adepta Sororitas.
A squad of Adepta Sororitas, led by Canoness Veridyan arrive on planet Siscia to retrieve a lost Inquisitorial acolyte and put down a heretical uprising. As Novitiate Ghita’s first mission with her Order gets underway, what should be an easy mission turns into something much worse, as an unknown force deep within the subterranean city of the planet rears its ugly head! It’s no-holds-barred action, mystery, and daemons galore as the all-female fighting force lets bolters blaze and flamers scorch in this all-new saga!
A Warhammer 40,000 aficionado herself, here’s what Torunn Grønbekk had to say about working on WARHAMMER 40,000: SISTERS OF BATTLE:
“I'm beyond thrilled to continue Marvel's Warhammer 40,000 line with this new series. The Sisters of Battle are everything I adore about 40K. I love everything from their unflinching conviction to their brutal armory (hello, Exorcist!) to the creepiest of all servitors; the Cherub. We're in a universe where attack is the best defense and suffering is prayer, and I couldn't be happier to enter the battle with the Adepta Sororitas. (Expect many hymnals and a lot of dead heretics).
“I'm ever grateful for the opportunity to contribute a little piece of terror to the vast and unforgiving Warhammer 40K universe (and not only because the countless hours I spend painting miniatures can now be classified as 'research.' Thanks, Marvel)! Seeing the story come to life through the art of Edgar Salazar has been a true delight. It takes a particular talent to keep track of all the details essential to the 40K universe, and Edgar is next-level great. Combined with the colors of Arif Prianto, the grim darkness of the far future is brought to life in a style you've never seen before!"
Show your faith and fervor to the Emperor by joining Marvel Comics for the start of the next phase of WARHAMMER comics when WARHAMMER 40,000: SISTERS OF BATTLE #1 hits stands on August 18!
WARHAMMER 40,000: SISTERS OF BATTLE #1 (OF 5) Written by TORUNN GRØNBEKK Art by EDGAR SALAZAR with colors by ARIF PRIANTO Cover by DAVE WILKINS On Sale 8/18!
It's interesting that they've decided to go with Canoness Veridyan.
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How do the comic licenses bleed over to the film licenses? Does this possible presage Disney planning a 40k film?
And yea, the two sisters to the left and right of the heavy bolter girl were definitely drawn with different weapons. The one on the right actually has a pretty good pistol stance if her left hand was wrapped around her right in a tight meld. Awful for a bolter, but yea.
Wehrkind wrote: How do the comic licenses bleed over to the film licenses? Does this possible presage Disney planning a 40k film?
They should be completely separate, but who knows... The rumours are that HBO is taking the live-action stuff (Eisenhorn) and GW is doing something themselves for the animated stuff (but hopefully we'll find out more on Saturday).
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That's interesting, Eisenhorn would make a great HBO series with the right writers. They seem to be one of the few production groups that can get good writers...
Cronch wrote: The artist probably drew pistol poses, then got the notes how a bolter looks, and just...embiggened the pistol into a bolter.
Um, no. That's not how it works. Artists, who have really gakky deadlines, will combine stock poses (in this example, 'woman firing submachine gun') and clipart, 3D model of a weapon, to save time. Alas, GW probably insisted on their stupid, 'heroic' 3D models of bolters (and not thin, more realistic weapons some of their artists draw) and what is really reasonable pose now looks dumb because no real weapon has comical proportions/handling of brick bolters. Pistol? How? Literally none of them, especially top ones, look anything like handling any pistol I have ever seen...
Neither of the ones on either side of the Retributor are holding their weapons in a way that is suiatble for a large rifle, the hands we can't see aren't even gripping anything. The back two are fine, the front 2 have their hands in really weird positions, as well as the bolters themselves just not meshed in well.
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beast_gts wrote: It's interesting that they've decided to go with Canoness Veridyan.
She's on the cover, so not really surprising.
Yes, but why her? She's not a BL character or a special character in-game, she's just the name given to a unique sculpt (although she is the first of the new SoB if you allow resin). Is she that recognisable?
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Marvel Comics Division must really need the injection from GW if they are making another. It was my, perhaps wrong, understanding that Calgar was a flop.
Well, Comic Books are a notoriously dead and unprofitable media, so...
Which is why the aptly named Bad Idea Comics baffles me. Why a publishing company would intentionally hamstring the actually profitable ways for stores to sell just to try and get back to feel of pre-Marvel bankruptcy stores and the practices that led to said bankruptcy is... well, I'll once again point out how apt the name is.
I think thats kind of a questionable take - one could argue that the reason retailers are having to sell comics in such a manner is because publishers have made it that way through their own questionable practices (i.e. forcing retailers to buy x many copies of a comic that they won't sell in order to get 1 copy of a premium cover that can be sold at a higher price, etc.). In turn publishers are engaging in these practices because they are chasing the money from collectors and speculators as opposed to regular readers and are trying to promote artificial scarcity to encourage further speculation. In turn this alienates regular readers and fans, etc etc etc.
Bad Idea is trying to provide a product that is consumer friendly and profitable for itself and its retailers without engaging in the pro-collector/speculator practices that have largely alienated many comic readers and which remain largely unpopular with comic retailers - its not enough for them to simply provide the product though, they have to ensure that the existing business practices that have poisoned the industry are not utilized with it in order for it to work. Ultimately Bad Idea is an experiment, which is why IIRC theres only like a dozen or so stores selling their product in accordance with their policies.
Cronch wrote: Wow, 100k? I doubt there's that many warhammer players in the world...
There has to be alot more than 100k players in the whole world? I mean there are Warhammer Youtube-channels with several hundred thousand subscribers.
I've definitely felt that the last couple of years of video games, novels and all the other non-gaming stuff have drawn in a few Warhammer-fans that don't even touch the miniatures. Not saying it's a big crowd but a Sisters Of Battle comicbook should be able to sell a 100k copies if it's well done and marketed.
Yeah, I know, BIG if!
IIRC the initial print run of Indomitus (which sold out immediately) was like 120-170k copies or something like that, but a lot of people bought multiple copies so its not a clear indicator of how many actual customers there were. Unclear how many more copies were done as Made to Order, but it seems that the made to order wave was massively over-ordered considering how many copies of the damned thing seem to be floating around everywhere today.
Cronch wrote: Wow, 100k? I doubt there's that many warhammer players in the world...
100K players world wide would be a massively conservative underestimation of player numbers alone and I can tell you from past experience working at Barnes and Noble and selling tons of Black Library novels to people who admit to never playing that there are way more 40K FANS than there will ever be actual players. 100K people buying a #1 issue of a 40K comic would definitely be possible, but it's a very LOW possibility that has nothing to do with how many players of the game there are.
I think you're massively over-estimating the player count, keeping in mind theres lots of people who spend large sums of money on the minis but don't actually play the game.
The US market is doing fine, especially including indies and publishers like IDW. When people talk about "the comic industry dying", they really either mean super hero comics/the Big 2(and even then the vast majority of the time they really mean they don't like the direction they're going and justify it as the industry dying) or they mean the environment they're used to, ie. physical comics in a physical shop. Digital sale for comics are very healthy sales wise and most physical locations are keeping afloat by also offering Magic singles and/or selling the rare variants for secondary market prices online. "The comic industry is dying" is generally grognard for "I don't like change!"
Aye, digital comics and trade paperbacks sell really well, the individual paper issues that come out weekly or monthly or whatever? Not so much.
Rather actually, digital only accounts for 10% of Dale's with comics. TPB do sell we.... in a sort of way depending. They make more a profit with less though. High sales on a new TPB or usually around 30-40k orders.
2021/05/28 14:09:16
Subject: Re:Marvel Comics & 40k - Sisters of Battle
Something about those preview pages just seems a bit bland, there seems to be quite a lack of gothic-ness and the overall grim feeling of 40k (outside of the Sisters themselves).
Cronch wrote: Wow, 100k? I doubt there's that many warhammer players in the world...
Lots of people buy the black library books who have never held a miniature. The Horus Heresy were NYT Bestsellers for a couple years before GW made some changes.
Mentlegen324 wrote: Something about those preview pages just seems a bit bland, there seems to be quite a lack of gothic-ness and the overall grim feeling of 40k (outside of the Sisters themselves).
Bright colouring coupled with low contrast. Quite a few Leifeld moments too.
