Chapter Approved: 2021 Mission Pack and MFM 2021 MkII

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**Yarium**

tneva82 wrote:
Fair enough. You are locking yourself out of tournaments for a year but if tournaments aren't issue.

I don't believe I am. I was able to go to two tournaments during COVID whilst numbers were really down, and in neither of them did the TO or my opponents ask me to whip out my copy of Chapter Approved. The missions were printed for each table, and everyone knew the secondaries, so needing this for missions or secondaries is not an issue. If it was about points; well I have the GW app, which will update with the new points as well - so again, not an issue. As such, I am definitely in the position where I can legally attend tournaments without this purchase.

**Red Corsair**

Yarium wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Fair enough. You are locking yourself out of tournaments for a year but if tournaments aren't issue.

I don't believe I am. I was able to go to two tournaments during COVID whilst numbers were really down, and in neither of them did the TO or my opponents ask me to whip out my copy of Chapter Approved. The missions were printed for each table, and everyone knew the secondaries, so needing this for missions or secondaries is not an issue. If it was about points; well I have the GW app, which will update with the new points as well - so again, not an issue. As such, I am definitely in the position where I can legally attend tournaments without this purchase.

It was a silly comment to make anyway, he was just fishing for an exchange as usual. Not buying the MFM has literally never prevented anyone from attending a tournament.

This book is turning out to be such an unmasking moment for even GW's staunchest defenders.

I mean that 1 point change on riptides

it's

like that which makes it so fricken obvious some of the changes are simply for the sake of change so that EVERY army has a reason to purchase.

Jesus, they even hit armies pre-release! Enjoy purchasing your sisters book that was invalid pre-release lol

**Cybtroll**

The -1 to the Riptide is mental if you consider they just updated almost everything to be either 5 or 10 point.
That is quintessentially bad product management (not a novelty, but since is accelerating the last year's if becoming more and more relevant).

**Not Online!!!**

So, GW drops atalan jackals by 2 pts and purestrains...

But brood brothers, Neophytes didn't get anything out of it?

And especially not Aberrants`?!?

i duno man, seems like BS

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Cybtroll wrote:
The -1 to the Riptide is mental if you consider they just updated almost everything to be either 5 or 10 point.
That is quintessentially bad product management (not a novelty, but since is accelerating the last year's if becoming more and more relevant).

It's artificially making it technically an obligatory purchase.
It's in essence nickle and diming on a must have balance patch, atleast for the tournament crowd.

Yup , not even EA forces you to buy a Balance patch

**Asmodai**

Daedalus81 wrote:

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Asmodai wrote:
5 minutes with a pen and my Chapter Approved 2020 can become Chapter Approved 2021.

That's pretty much been the case the whole time. I buy the book, because it's convenient to have the wording handy.

Most years at least have new missions. This year the complete change is one or two lines of errata to 9 different secondaries.

**kodos**

How do you make an update based on data of played games while not many are able to play that game
and not selling the book on its planned date, not matter if you have content for it or not, is not an option either for reasons

**Daedalus81**

Red Corsair wrote:
Yarium wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Fair enough. You are locking yourself out of tournaments for a year but if tournaments aren't issue.

I don't believe I am. I was able to go to two tournaments during COVID whilst numbers were really down, and in neither of them did the TO or my opponents ask me to whip out my copy of Chapter Approved. The missions were printed for each table, and everyone knew the secondaries, so needing this for missions or secondaries is not an issue. If it was about points; well I have the GW app, which will update with the new points as well - so again, not an issue. As such, I am definitely in the position where I can legally attend tournaments without this purchase.

It was a silly comment to make anyway, he was just fishing for an exchange as usual. Not buying the MFM has literally never prevented anyone from attending a tournament.

This book is turning out to be such an unmasking moment for even GW's staunchest defenders.

I mean that 1 point change on riptides it's like that which makes it so fricken obvious some of the changes are simply for the sake of change so that EVERY army has a reason to purchase.

Jesus, they even hit armies pre-release! Enjoy purchasing your sisters book that was invalid pre-release lol

Truly diabolical. Truly.

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Cybtroll wrote:
The -1 to the Riptide is mental if you consider they just updated almost everything to be either 5 or 10 point.
That is quintessentially bad product management (not a novelty, but since is accelerating the last year's if becoming more and more relevant).

Or a typo and given the track record there's bound to be some in there.

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Asmodai wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:

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Asmodai wrote:
5 minutes with a pen and my Chapter Approved 2020 can become Chapter Approved 2021.

That's pretty much been the case the whole time. I buy the book, because it's convenient to have the wording handy.

Most years at least have new missions. This year the complete change is one or two lines of errata to 9 different secondaries.

What I would expect for a system that is doing relatively well is not a ton of upheaval, which is what we're getting. People losing their minds over not having huge sweeping changes and tons of things added are insane.

It should be a free thing, but that seems a little besides the point for some posters.

**Tmh**

No Ork or Chaos Daemon leaks? Seems the two factions I play haven’t been scanned from what I’ve seen

**Daedalus81**

Tmh wrote:
No Ork or Chaos Daemon leaks? Seems the two factions I play haven’t been scanned from what I’ve seen

Or DE. You'd figure that'd be the first place someone would go. I've heard no changes to Raiders though.

I would also love to see what W2 rubrics are going to be.

**Marshal Loss**

Chaos daemons: Lord of change +20 (270 to 290) New be'lakor is 360.

No pictures, so unconfirmed. But this is being repeated elsewhere

**ERJAK**

Yarium wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Fair enough. You are locking yourself out of tournaments for a year but if tournaments aren't issue.

I don't believe I am. I was able to go to two tournaments during COVID whilst numbers were really down, and in neither of them did the TO or my opponents ask me to whip out my copy of Chapter Approved. The missions were printed for each table, and everyone knew the secondaries, so needing this for missions or secondaries is not an issue. If it was about points; well I have the GW app, which will update with the new points as well - so again, not an issue. As such, I am definitely in the position where I can legally attend tournaments without this purchase.

With the caveat that you could potentially face censure at any time should a dispute come up.

Even large tournaments you can go the whole event without needing more than just your codex. It's all in how lucky you are and how many disputes you avoid.

**Marshal Loss**

Sisters of Battle in their entirety, with new units, etc.

Changes that are more than just points:

Celestine and Geminae one unit again. Geminae cannot be taken solo.

Nullrods and Simulacrums cost points again.

Missionary can now take a power maul?

Preacher can now take an upgrade that I don't know how to translate from italian?

Condemnor Boltguns cost the same as a heavy bolter?!?! Must be some rules changes for these...

Zeph moved to fast attack!

They fixed dominions having heavy options and retributors having special options typo from last MFM. Still forgot to put simulacrum on the ret options, but probably a typo and should be 5 pts not 0.

No special price for seraphim hand flamers anymore.

Vahl - 265 - 5 pts off my prediction

Paragon typo? 240 pts/model with 3 model units seems insane, probably 80 pts/model and they just put 240 since they can only be taken in 3s.

Blessings of the Faithful - Our upgrade options for characters I assume? Some of the names are a bit off translated from italian. No canoness superior upgrade option.

Edit: Sisters up to 5-20 size units. Maybe we get Admech style buffs and 20 sisters can mess someone up

Repentia 4-10?

Weird name for flamers. Different than the name for flamers in other imperial leaks. Maybe our flamers are special somehow?

Credit to McWerp

**xeen**

Some of this does not look like it was discussed here so I am not sure if people have seen this........

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWH40k/comments/nncky9/ca_points_changes/

Has some pics for Guard and Dark Angles and a few others

**Dysartes**

Red Corsair wrote:
Jesus, they even hit armies pre-release! Enjoy purchasing your sisters book that was invalid pre-release lol

I don't recall anyone having access to the 9th ed Sisters 'dex yet, so it is a bit soon to say that the MFM has made it invalid - given what they've said about printing schedules, the points in the MFM should, in theory, match what we get in the 'dex.

Unfortunately, as sounds like being the case with the Paragons, that may include repeated typos.

**Aenar**

A couple of days ago I was writing how this kind of book is the best thing they introduced to 40K in years.
I never learn. I keep hoping that their work holds up to my expectations and I inevitably end up being let down. Silly me.

This is the most ridiculous release I remember. They copy-pasted the booklet from one year ago, changed a couple of numbers, the date on the cover and called it a day. A joke of a "patch" for their flagship game.
The fact that they have the gall of charging you for it is hilarious.

**Marshal Loss**

Select updates to TS from their new book (Rubrics/Scarabs will be +1 wound, etc)

Ahriman +10
Infernal Master 90
DP -10
Exalted on Disc +5
Rubrics capped at 5-10, 21ppm
Tzaangors capped at 10-20, 7ppm
Scarab Occult at 40ppm (+10 ppm) with mostly cheaper wargear

**Not Online!!!**

Cultists, dropped a point?

HALELUJA!

Albeit that makes GSC neos and broodbrothers even worse

**Daedalus81**

Marshal Loss wrote:

Select updates to TS from their new book (Rubrics/Scarabs will be +1 wound, etc)

Ahriman +10
Infernal Master 90
DP -10
Exalted on Disc +5
Rubrics capped at 5-10, 21ppm
Tzaangors capped at 10-20, 7ppm
Scarab Occult at 40ppm (+10 ppm) with mostly cheaper wargear

6 point warpflamer - that's better. 27 points becomes a tough sell depending on how all is dust works.

Tzaangor Shaman at 70 is welcome, too.

**tneva82**

Red Corsair wrote:

Jesus, they even hit armies pre-release! Enjoy purchasing your sisters book that was invalid pre-release lol

How? By having identical page in other? You DO realize right those　points are straight from new codex? That the booklet contains ALL points?

Or do you expect sister points miss completely from this booklet? What on earth THAT would gain? How players would be better off not having any points in this booklet over　having same as in codex?

**Some_Call_Me_Tim**

Anyone seen things for orks?, i'm betting grots get bumped to 10 points

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**ERJAK**

Marshal Loss wrote:
Sisters of Battle in their entirety, with new units, etc.

Changes that are more than just points:

Celestine and Geminae one unit again. Geminae cannot be taken solo.

Nullrods and Simulacrums cost points again.

Missionary can now take a power maul?

Preacher can now take an upgrade that I don't know how to translate from italian?

Condemnor Boltguns cost the same as a heavy bolter?!?! Must be some rules changes for these...

Zeph moved to fast attack!

They fixed dominions having heavy options and retributors having special options typo from last MFM. Still forgot to put simulacrum on the ret options, but probably a typo and should be 5 pts not 0.

No special price for seraphim hand flamers anymore.

Vahl - 265 - 5 pts off my prediction

Paragon typo? 240 pts/model with 3 model units seems insane, probably 80 pts/model and they just put 240 since they can only be taken in 3s.

Blessings of the Faithful - Our upgrade options for characters I assume? Some of the names are a bit off translated from italian. No canoness superior upgrade option.

Edit: Sisters up to 5-20 size units. Maybe we get Admech style buffs and 20 sisters can mess someone up

Repentia 4-10?

Weird name for flamers. Different than the name for flamers in other imperial leaks. Maybe our flamers are special somehow?

Credit to McWerp

Provided they didn't feth up any major army rules, these are fantastic changes. Also, my guess is all melee options are getting cheaper due to priests not giving +1 attack.

Looking into the list it looks like they probably fethed up retributors (no way they drop points and keep move and shoot with no penalty/storm of fire) exorcists(new profile from previous leaks at this point costs=paperweight) the battle sanctum (80pts for terrain never gonna fly under current deployment rules) immolators (Chassis went down but weapons ONLY IT CAN USE went UP? WHY?!?)

All the vehicles are doggak and retributors probably ate a decent nerf but unless they TANKED bloody rose, sisters should still be fine.

**Ravajaxe**

So there are two concurrent topics on the subject. I have just put a translation of the complete secondary objectives in the other thread. Check this out :
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/798530.page

**Kitane**

GSC has to suffer from the GW Tyranid curse, seeing how unlucky they get in the yearly updates.

The CA17 forgot to update their points properly and this was only fixed in the following CA18, one year later (and very little else, given how crippled the army was at that point)

December CA2019 applied an uncalled-for and grossly outdated nerf to a faction already struggling hard in the new SM dominated meta, because it was written in a different age.

The 9th edition CA2020 kicked them straight in da jibblies for the second time in a row for no discernible reason, cementing their place at the bottom.

And now with hopefully plenty of time to absorb the consequences of the last two fuckups, CA2021 tries absolutely nothing.

That's 1 ok and 4 terrible CA books for the GSC.

**Gadzilla666**

xeen wrote:
Some of this does not look like it was discussed here so I am not sure if people have seen this........

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWH40k/comments/nncky9/ca_points_changes/

Has some pics for Guard and Dark Angles and a few others

The Guard stuff is hard to make out, but I think I'm seeing Death Riders up 5 PPM and everything else the same. Is that right? Lame.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
xeen wrote:
Some of this does not look like it was discussed here so I am not sure if people have seen this........

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWH40k/comments/nncky9/ca_points_changes/

Has some pics for Guard and Dark Angles and a few others

The Guard stuff is hard to make out, but I think I'm seeing Death Riders up 5 PPM and everything else the same. Is that right? Lame.

Unfortunately, the new Secondaries don't do Guard any favors (or minor ones). Tank armies still auto-give up 15pts meaning they have to stay on the shelf until MAYBE their codex helps reinvent the army?

**Meanmurph**

Anyone heard anything about ork points?

**tneva82**

Meanmurph wrote:
Anyone heard anything about ork points?

Well those are basically preview of codex. Most interesting part will be they show how much units are likely change as the points will be for the new codex rules rather than current one.

**ulfhednir86**

Any leaks on the Astra militarum changes

**xttz**

tneva82 wrote:
Meanmurph wrote:
Anyone heard anything about ork points?

Well those are basically preview of codex. Most interesting part will be they show how much units are likely change as the points will be for the new codex rules rather than current one.

I read somewhere that Orks are unchanged, with no new units. It looks like the original plan was to have Sisters, TSons and GK codexes out before CA21 then release the new Orks book after.

ulfhednir86 wrote:
Any leaks on the Astra militarum changes

https://imgur.com/gallery/RTw125q

**Ravajaxe**

xttz wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Meanmurph wrote:
Anyone heard anything about ork points?

Well those are basically preview of codex. Most interesting part will be they show how much units are likely change as the points will be for the new codex rules rather than current one.

I read somewhere that Orks are unchanged, with no new units. It looks like the original plan was to have Sisters, TSons and GK codexes out before CA21 then release the new Orks book after.

ulfhednir86 wrote:
Any leaks on the Astra militarum changes

https://imgur.com/gallery/RTw125q

Thanks.

Only change that I spotted for the Astra Militarum : Ogryns 30 -> 25 points. They are fieldable now !

Super heavies, other tanks, etc... nothing changed.
The plasma pistol omission for the Tempesus Scions troop is still going on. It should cost 5 points, still somewhat free currently.

Edit : somehow I missed the superheavies drop.