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 kodos wrote:
if the KT rumours I read are true, the DK Kill Team will be nothing to build a 40k army from

Would it not be like all but one of the other KT boxes so far - just regular sprues put into a box - rather than the singular KT box that had unique models in it (the RT one)?

I'd've thought it'd just be regular models behind a time-gate/paywall ala Heavy Intercessors and Flayed Ones. What points to it not being that, specifically?

Man if they are as limited as the warcry boxes that's gonna suck

Waycry represents GW's end goal for skirmish games in its purest form.

Set models with set equipment with set terrain set ups. Everything is 100% controlled by the models, with no variation possible, let alone allowed within the rules.

I am certain that if they could redo Necromunda in such a way, they would.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 kodos wrote:
if the KT rumours I read are true, the DK Kill Team will be nothing to build a 40k army from

Would it not be like all but one of the other KT boxes so far - just regular sprues put into a box - rather than the singular KT box that had unique models in it (the RT one)?

I'd've thought it'd just be regular models behind a time-gate/paywall ala Heavy Intercessors and Flayed Ones. What points to it not being that, specifically?

rumours, take them with a grain of salt, but I can see them doing the dedicated KT boxes as "put in some regular sprues of old models" did not work well compared to dedicated sprues like in Warcry, specially as 40k now has its own rules (again) for small games with the regular models

it also allows GW to add stuff like the RT, Death Korp, Catachan, Squats, Kroot etc. to the game without taking care about them later except for adding a Datasheet for 40k, while a full new range for 40k is a much higher risk

so a boxed game with dedicated models, which can also be used in 40k, makes more sense than another set of rules were you can use your 40k models
at least from a selling point at the first can act as gateway game while the other is just for those that already bought into the game

another point is that the "out of the box with no options" fits the new style of unit building GW is doing

 kodos wrote:
rumours, take them with a grain of salt, but I can see them doing the dedicated KT boxes as "put in some regular sprues of old models" did not work well compared to dedicated sprues like in Warcry, specially as 40k now has its own rules (again) for small games with the regular models

That is a good point. KT always seemed like an afterthought, and when they did those "HQ" boxes where it was either a big discount or a major mark-up because they put anything and everything in there all at the same price point I imagine that did them no favours either. And that's before they "re-released" the terrain boxes for a higher price with less terrain in them.

 kodos wrote:
it also allows GW to add stuff like the RT, Death Korp, Catachan, Squats, Kroot etc. to the game without taking care about them later except for adding a Datasheet for 40k, while a full new range for 40k is a much higher risk

That's also a good point. It could lead to them further developing things that get a positive response, but as I find myself saying more and more these days, GW never misses and opportunity to miss an opportunity, so chances are any spike in popularity would pass over their heads.

 kodos wrote:
so a boxed game with dedicated models, which can also be used in 40k, makes more sense than another set of rules were you can use your 40k models at least from a selling point at the first can act as gateway game while the other is just for those that already bought into the game

That's the cynical (and therefore far more likely) angle to that.

 kodos wrote:
another point is that the "out of the box with no options" fits the new style of unit building GW is doing

Well, if they can do Warcry 40,000, they will.

Honestly while I would miss the customization of gear if KT became more like Warcry, I might actually play it…..because unlike KT, Warcry is actually fun. While the game may not have a ton of depth, the scenario cards make for a ton of options of game play, and the short turn limits actually make you focus on objectives. Great beer and pretzel game.

As opposed to spending an hour and a half trying to watch two shooting KTs flesh wound each other to death.

Makes a huge difference when you make a game it’s own rules, rather than just modify the rules for an entire different scale of game.

Warcry is one of the best games GW has done in recent years
mainly because it was designed as a game and not a band-aid to sell something else or to fill a gab in the line up

KT, same as Apo was much more of a testing ground for 40k, and like a market screening to check if it is worth to compete with others on that niche or not and which rules they can use for 40k

I personally found the latest KT not very good, other Skirmish games like Deadzone or Infinity do it better while for 40k KT the older rules or even Shadow War was more fun

I think the goal of KT is more to provide a hook for players that are interested in 40k but don't want to drop hundred of moneys on an army.

I was very excited about KT at first, but to be honest it just isn't very fun. For skirmish rules, I much prefer Necromunda.

Shadow war was amazing though, but not because of the rules but because of the great deal on the new Sector Mechanicus terrain.

I like the KT rules, as all GW games have their bugs and unbalances but with the scoring systems made by tournament players, it becomes a very competitive game.

Although that said, I don't care if the core rules change, with a system of alternate activations type warcry or necromunda, spending actions. But I wouldn't want it to be as simple as warcry, since I see KT as a game with a lot of potential for tournaments. (and more for those of us who don't like to play with 100+ miniatures)

While plastic DKOK in a Kill Team starter are obviously a big deal, I'm also interested in what sort of terrain they'd bundle with that, especially given that the entire "Sector Imperialis" line that debuted with the original Kill Team starter is already OOP

 lord_blackfang wrote:
While plastic DKOK in a Kill Team starter are obviously a big deal, I'm also interested in what sort of terrain they'd bundle with that, especially given that the entire "Sector Imperialis" line that debuted with the original Kill Team starter is already OOP

Holy gak I forgot all about that.

Yeah, screw the Kriegers. To hell with Kommandos. Show us the terrain!!!

Ooooh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
While plastic DKOK in a Kill Team starter are obviously a big deal, I'm also interested in what sort of terrain they'd bundle with that, especially given that the entire "Sector Imperialis" line that debuted with the original Kill Team starter is already OOP

Holy gak I forgot all about that.

Yeah, screw the Kriegers. To hell with Kommandos. Show us the terrain!!!

!!!

Would you look at that. Two special rule previews. Seems that these new Beast Snaggas have some additional ways of causing Mortal Wounds. That's going to make them a powerhouse on the tabletop, as MWs are extremely rare these days.

Hey look, the Painboss has an alternate head! Just as I said he might have.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ooooh.

That's definitely the thing sitting on the beast snagga boss' shoulder in the first canvas video.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Hey look, the Painboss has an alternate head! Just as I said he might have.

That’s why I thought it was a new model!

It’s a different arm as well, I think?


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It is! Nice.


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And confirmation the Beast Snaggas early release box thing is up for pre-order this month.

That Painboss head is much better than the helmeted one.

The rumor engine-esque picture is probably of the great white squig.

 Oguhmek wrote:
That Painboss head is much better than the helmeted one.

Yeah, I find that arm and head vastly superior

 Oguhmek wrote:
The rumor engine-esque picture is probably of the great white squig.

The text implies it's the squig for the chariot-thingy which has the not-so-weirdboy on top of it.

Whoever noticed the bone ponytail was part of the new warboss, you have great eyes.

It's cool to see the Painboss has options. I know the first head wasn't super popular, but it was based off one of the old metal orks, which is cool. He is leaps and bounds better than the current plastic painboy imo. That model's head and proportions are just weird.

 Oguhmek wrote:
That Painboss head is much better than the helmeted one.

Agreed, much much better one.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
That Painboss head is much better than the helmeted one.

Agreed, much much better one.

At least is not a Kruleboyz head.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
That Painboss head is much better than the helmeted one.

Agreed, much much better one.

At least is not a Kruleboyz head.

I’m jealous.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
That Painboss head is much better than the helmeted one.

Agreed, much much better one.

At least is not a Kruleboyz head.

Although I like Kruleboyz, I would really hate it if they made such looking Orks in 40k.

I hope we do indeed get some new KT news on the saturday stream. And plastic DKoK would make me start a small guard army for sure! My vision of the IoM is forever tainted by the old lore, which depicts it as something not unlike the Termight from 2000AD. Makes playing against them fun, humans no longer being the good guys.. Faceless gasmask wearing guard fits that vision perfec!

As for the models being specifically tied to just KT, I don't think it'll happen but I wouldn't mind it. I already think KT should become a much more individualistic affair than it currently is, and just rehashing regular 40K minis is a bit bland tbh.

However, I still want as many factions for KT as possible. Variety is the spice of life, and its fun collecting small squads of models from different factions, as opposed to pouring hundreds of buckazoids into a 2000pt army.

Here's hoping we'll get some Death Korps Grenadiers, who, thematically speaking, would also be the best suited for Kill Team Operations.



That's the dude in the background of one of the teasers, if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe I'm stupid, but I just realized the new Painboss hand is a giant snake head. Syringe fangs, etc. Very fitting. I wonder if it's actually a giant skull, its kind of hard to tell since their armor is sometimes white

 GaroRobe wrote:
Maybe I'm stupid, but I just realized the new Painboss hand is a giant snake head. Syringe fangs, etc. Very fitting. I wonder if it's actually a giant skull, its kind of hard to tell since their armor is sometimes white

Oh yeahhh. That’s cool!

The article called the bomb squig rider a gretchin. Is this an oversight or are snotlings not a thing anymore? That definitely looks like a snotling riding it.