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Both boxes will have totally different content in terms of minis, I don't see any redundancy in that tbh. Fanatics will buy both boxes, or split-buy both of they only play Eldar or Chaos.

I think it's pretty smart actually, since both game systems (40K & KT21) will undoubtedly have rules for minis from either box.

Going back to the one Corsair we’ve had released an image of.
The background of that shot also shows the arm of another holding pistol etc..

The reveal article for the Eldar models from the upcoming Kill Team box:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/shiver-the-timbers-of-the-41st-millennium-with-the-new-voidscarred-corsairs/

Shame they didn't at least tease who the opposing force is.

Ok, the 10 Corsair models have now been revealed. I admit feeling a bit disappointed, the LVO teased mini is among the best of the bunch. Some of those heads just look too darn big for my liking. And some of those hairdos are a bit much for my sensibilities

I do hope there's plenty of extras on the sprues. Head options especially would be very welcome!

All in all, it's looking very specialist heavy team. Psyker, close combatants, sniper/spotter...

EDIT: Looking at the models some more, they're not that bad after all. The only one I truly detest is the medallion holding one.. thalk about classic constipated pose and the face aint doing it any fabours either..

I hope they show off the cultists later this week

interesting to see that the cloaked guy has a warp spider jump generator...

If I ever get around to starting KT i'd definitely start with those. A couple of them look a little questionable. But due to how the heads work on eldar/dark eldar kits I would kinda expect plenty of head options....I hope. A lot of the wych/kabalite heads wouldn't look too out of place on these at all if you wanted more variety.

Slaanesh Eldar at last! But seriously, these models do not call to me at all. They are not bad but also not interesting enough unlike the previous Ork and DKoK crews.

 Albertorius wrote:
interesting to see that the cloaked guy has a warp spider jump generator...

Cloaked gal :thumbs-up:

I love them, maybe the best KT so far. KT impresses me more and more. They really dare to be different and breath some much needed creativity that isn't bogged down by marketing madness it seems.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
I love them, maybe the best KT so far. KT impresses me more and more. They really dare to be different and breath some much needed creativity that isn't bogged down by marketing madness it seems.

The models have all been nice. It's the fractured release of rules that spoil my interest in KT.

 Arschbombe wrote:

 GiToRaZor wrote:
I love them, maybe the best KT so far. KT impresses me more and more. They really dare to be different and breath some much needed creativity that isn't bogged down by marketing madness it seems.

The models have all been nice. It's the fractured release of rules that spoil my interest in KT.

Understandable, my group got lucky and everyone has a team they identify with and we are flexible enough to cover everything with house rules, no need to buy every publication. If you are waiting for your Team it is really frustrating, especially if you end up as a token release like Pathfinders or the WD rules. Also the rules release style and flavour fluff could really be A LOT better. Typical GW doesn't understand that the core rules should be online and updated at all times for free, because Wahapedia will otherwise fill that niche. (Btw. it's legal to publish rules, they can not be copyrighted in most countries).

I can forgive a slow churning if at least they keep the quality up and every team has unique looks and feel. And considering the amount of resources they get, it will take another 3 years to cover most/all factions. So all very understandable. All I hope for is that this time GW sees it through, keeps up the quality, keeps the marketing out of the unit compositions and doesn't go overboard with the extensions and power creep because ...reasons.

And maybe, hopefully, finally uploads a new organisation tool app that is free and doesn't suck. Yes I know, delerious.

Btw. if you live in Ger/NRW area and you would like a try out game let me know. In my opinion it is a lot more fun than 9th (which admittedly is a pretty low bar)

I'm no Eldar fan but this kit is fo sho exciting, I mean, it's the first Eldar squad with individual wargear options?

I have no interest in KT as a game, but DAMN do I want to paint those models just to have!

I love the look of these. The seer in particular is great. I'm looking forward to seeing the terrain and opposing force for the box set.

I bought myself the White Dwarfs with skitarii and thousand son rules in this weekend and I hope the rules for the eldar are equally interesting.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm no Eldar fan but this kit is fo sho exciting, I mean, it's the first Eldar squad with individual wargear options?

Pretty much, owed to it being a Kill Team kit like Novitiates and their character role all star upgrades. It will be less exciting if, like Novitiates, the exotic Corsair options will be exclusive to Kill Team and the 40k rules don't support using the majority of them. That'll curtail crossover use hard, provided you want to stay WYSIWYG.

 Geifer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm no Eldar fan but this kit is fo sho exciting, I mean, it's the first Eldar squad with individual wargear options?

Pretty much, owed to it being a Kill Team kit like Novitiates and their character role all star upgrades. It will be less exciting if, like Novitiates, the exotic Corsair options will be exclusive to Kill Team and the 40k rules don't support using the majority of them. That'll curtail crossover use hard, provided you want to stay WYSIWYG.

We can probably at least count on the heavy/special weapon being a thing?

Really loving these models. Not a huge fan of a few of the heads, I'm hoping there are a few more helmets like the Wraith Cannon operator has, but if not I'm sure I can swap in a DE or Eldar head and it wouldn't look out of place.

Honestly, the 2 Dark Eldar heads I find to be the weakest of the bunch. The models do look fantastic overall though. Really can't wait to see who they're against and what kind of terrain will be available with this kit.

The Black Adder wrote:
I love the look of these. The seer in particular is great. I'm looking forward to seeing the terrain and opposing force for the box set.

I bought myself the White Dwarfs with skitarii and thousand son rules in this weekend and I hope the rules for the eldar are equally interesting.

Which White Dwarfs?
I should probably try and get all these so I can have all the various teams rules.

 Arschbombe wrote:

 GiToRaZor wrote:
I love them, maybe the best KT so far. KT impresses me more and more. They really dare to be different and breath some much needed creativity that isn't bogged down by marketing madness it seems.

The models have all been nice. It's the fractured release of rules that spoil my interest in KT.

What fractured release? All one needs are the core rules + wherever one's chosen team's list resides (campaign book, white dwarf or... if one cannot wait, the compendium). Terrain rules not in the core book are available for download from WarCom.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm no Eldar fan but this kit is fo sho exciting, I mean, it's the first Eldar squad with individual wargear options?

Pretty much, owed to it being a Kill Team kit like Novitiates and their character role all star upgrades. It will be less exciting if, like Novitiates, the exotic Corsair options will be exclusive to Kill Team and the 40k rules don't support using the majority of them. That'll curtail crossover use hard, provided you want to stay WYSIWYG.

We can probably at least count on the heavy/special weapon being a thing?

40k codex leaks indicated the unit would have some weapon options and the like, yeah. Actually, I want to say there were rumors about there being two different Corsair units in the book, one with a lot more options than the other, but I might be misremembering.

Also worth pointing out that while Novitiates and Guard do not have 40k rules for all the gubbins they can build with the kill team box, the Kommandos (and IIRC Pathfinders) do.

callidusx3 wrote:
Terrain rules not in the core book are available for download from WarCom.

Where exactly?

chaos0xomega wrote:

40k codex leaks indicated the unit would have some weapon options and the like, yeah. Actually, I want to say there were rumors about there being two different Corsair units in the book, one with a lot more options than the other, but I might be misremembering.

Also worth pointing out that while Novitiates and Guard do not have 40k rules for all the gubbins they can build with the kill team box, the Kommandos (and IIRC Pathfinders) do.

None of them have 100% representation of the KT stuff in the codices.

Guard and Kommandos come the closest, while Pathfinders and Novitiates are lagging the furthest behind--with Novitiates being the biggest offender.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

40k codex leaks indicated the unit would have some weapon options and the like, yeah. Actually, I want to say there were rumors about there being two different Corsair units in the book, one with a lot more options than the other, but I might be misremembering.

Also worth pointing out that while Novitiates and Guard do not have 40k rules for all the gubbins they can build with the kill team box, the Kommandos (and IIRC Pathfinders) do.

None of them have 100% representation of the KT stuff in the codices.

Guard and Kommandos come the closest, while Pathfinders and Novitiates are lagging the furthest behind--with Novitiates being the biggest offender.

Yeah, it's a hard to predict what's going to end up in the 40k rules. Until we have an idea if the Corsairs are one, big integrated sprue or a sprue with basic options and an upgrade sprue, we won't really have an idea what's going to happen (unless of course the rumored elite Corsair datasheet leaks). If the former is the case, they'll have more options because you can't remove the exotic wargear from the sprue and they will get some representation in 40k rules.

Unpopular opinion: What really needs to happen with these units is more Accursed Weapon type profiles.

chaos0xomega wrote:

40k codex leaks indicated the unit would have some weapon options and the like, yeah. Actually, I want to say there were rumors about there being two different Corsair units in the book, one with a lot more options than the other, but I might be misremembering.

That's correct; there's a basic Troops version of the unit and a 'voidscarred' datasheet with more options under Elites.

I think they look mostly good. Not a fan of the medallion one. Farseer-y one and the two former-Dark Eldar are the best, IMO.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Unpopular opinion: What really needs to happen with these units is more Accursed Weapon type profiles.

Stop that!

 ohreally wrote:

callidusx3 wrote:
Terrain rules not in the core book are available for download from WarCom.

Where exactly?

There is this article that covers the new terrain rules in Chalnath:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/27/move-through-ruins-like-a-ghost-with-kill-team-chalnaths-expanded-terrain-rules/

And this article covers the terrain from Octarius:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/26/bring-an-ork-scrap-town-to-life-with-the-terrain-in-kill-team-octarius/

I'd need to look it over carefully and compare with the books to see if anything is missing. The FAQs for the Core Rules provide some insights on how some of this terrain works if I recall: https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#kill-team

callidusx3 wrote:

What fractured release? All one needs are the core rules + wherever one's chosen team's list resides (campaign book, white dwarf or... if one cannot wait, the compendium). Terrain rules not in the core book are available for download from WarCom.

Ok. So how many rules sources do we have now?

Core book.
Octarius book.
Compendium.
Recruit edition.
Chalnath
White Dwarf 468
White Dwarf 469
and soon
Nachmund

The game's only been out 7 months. This scattershot approach is a complete turn off.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
(Btw. it's legal to publish rules, they can not be copyrighted in most countries).

I'm not a lawyer or a professional but I think this is worth a bit more expanding.

My well-read amateur's understanding of U.S. law is that you can paraphrase rules and reuse conventions, but cannot reprint rules unaltered.

That's why companies can make all those XXX-opoly games and not step on Monopoly's... well monopoly on that rule set (Monopoly's rules may also be in the public domain at this point, and the name and other identifying bits are protected under trademark law which does not expire, but you get the idea).

In the 80s and 90s Mayfair games made some great D&D-like supplements but renamed all the stats so as not to be a 1 for 1 copy of D&D. Health Points instead of Hit Points and the like.

So printing your write up or review of rules or original house rules is fine, but not scanning and posting GW rules.

As always if I'm off base please chime in.