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I don't think we'll see a League team (perhaps outside of WD) until the proper army release, not just the launch box which is presumably going to release in Nov, even if the basic warriors set seems to be set up with Kill Team in mind.

It seems a shame to include an existing unit in a new Kill team box with a faction with so few units (and it'd be a shame to include a new unit and not have it in the codex at the start). Kill team seems perfect for a League Prospector unit to pop up there. Wouldn't be suprised to see them arrive at the start of next Season, being the first of the new units for the updated codex in 18-24 months time.

Guess/wishlist:
Shadowvaults: Kasrkin vs Daemonship crew (daemon kill team)
Soulshackle: Inquisitor* vs Dark Mechanicus (negavolt cultists and some servitors)
Gallowfall: Grey Knights vs almost literally anyone (perhaps even League prospectors as it would be 9 months from now, so potentially half way to the new LoV book) with the GK going to blow up the hulk vs a few late comers wanting to strip it for parts.

*I think we might be surprised with the catachan dueling blade from the rumour engine ending up not being an IG unit or character, but literally Sgt Stone in a retinue. It also wouldn't suprise me if the rack of books end up being that Inquisitor's sage.

I'm still not convinced Kasrkin will be involved at all in KT.

Why?

Because the quote bubble in the book for "Into the Dark" is of the last surviving member of a Kasrkin regiment. As in: they're all dead.

Personal speculation is that there's a dedicated Cult Mechanicus-themed KT coming as one of these. It's about damned time we get plastic Combat Servitors, and we STILL need a general release version of Daedalosius now that it's in the codex proper.

The whole company is dead, not regiment. But Explorators/AdMech (rather than SKitarri) is also a good shout.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm still not convinced Kasrkin will be involved at all in KT.

Why?

Because the quote bubble in the book for "Into the Dark" is of the last surviving member of a Kasrkin regiment. As in: they're all dead.

'Last surviving' just means last dude to get back to base to report. For all they know, there could be isolated squads out there, left for dead, fighting isolated in the dark.

It's described as a note left by the last survivor; as in described by an omniscient narrator rather than the individual themselves.


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 Tastyfish wrote:
The whole company is dead, not regiment.

Either way, it's an omniscient narrator describing the individual as the last survivor--not the Kasrkin himself.

But Explorators/AdMech (rather than SKitarri) is also a good shout.

Explorators would be a different thing to what I described.

My bet with the rumors that have been said, reading the new lore, and with the names of the following boxes

karskin ( or maybe with a sprues to make a retinue) vs beastmen or something mutant that could serve as a basic troop for world eaters.

mimes (arlequins) VS something daemon.

Last box, no idea... they mention many ancient races and also orks.. (freebooterz please)

The Kasrkin message is this

"They scratch at the walls and the doors. Always, always scratching. Trying to find a way through. I here them screeching, clamouring for blood. I'm the last one left. The whole company is dead. They're all gone. Only a matter of time until I'm dead too. I'm not going down lightly. If anyone finds this message, know that Cadia stood here, it stood with us"
- Karskin Jormo Gedansk

It's an audiolog that (presumably) has been picked up, or at least could have been. There's next that is from an omniscient narrator where it describes the early history of Gallowdark, there's fiction from the PoV of individuals, and snippets that are someone talking to someone else to provide flavour.

I suspect another company of Kasrkin will be sent in and could have found that log.

Point remains in any regard:

There's no more Kasrkin to be had on board of the Gallowdark. Sure, another company could be sent in..but why would they be?

The Navy handles that stuff. It's not a Guard thing. The Navy's there already.

Add to it that we literally already have a Guard bespoke KT in the form of the Veterans and it becomes a pointless exercise. Not to mention that by all accounts the Guard release coming isn't half as large as the Aeldari one was, which utilized a Big Box(Eldritch Omens) and a KT box to stagger some of the releases out.

This small fluff blurb locks GW in completely. There is literally no way they can change it, or ever release Kasrkin for KT now. It's impossible.

I got lost on 'the Karskin were sent to the Gallowdark and died, its impossible that Karskin would ever be sent to the Gallowdark.'

Even setting aside the Guard tendency towards sending in reinforcements to a meat grinder, that they were already there is exhibit A that they're willing to send them there.

Find it funny that I haven't wanted any Scion minis since they released, but the Starstriders are going to finally get me to buy some to make Voidsmen with Carapace Armour and Hotshot Lasgun packs so I don't forget who has the upgrades or not.

The more ornate armour designs, which I didn't care for in a Guard army, are great for the Starstriders.

As that snippet does not actually having anything to connect it temporally to the other story events in the book it could just be from after the Kroot are dealt with. Or it could be from the week before, but still also after, because temporal shenanigans are afoot.

Voss wrote:
Even setting aside the Guard tendency towards sending in reinforcements to a meat grinder, that they were already there is exhibit A that they're willing to send them there.

But Voss, we literally already have a Guard bespoke KT in the form of the Veterans, not to mention that by all accounts the Guard release coming isn't half as large as the Eldar release. This means, beyond all shadow of a doubt - ironclad, set in stone, take it to the bank! - that Kasrikin can't possibly ever be part of a KT release.

If we’re speculating on possible future teams, I’m really hoping we get more teams with the “I didn’t see that coming” effect.

To my mind, Kill Team is at its best model wise, when it releases teams that have always existed in the lore but haven’t ever had a plastic kit and probably wouldn’t be at home in a 40K army. The standout teams so far for me, have been the Corsairs and the Navy Breachers.

Of course, what I really want is something Ecclesiarchy related. A team of crusaders, death cultists and other weirdness - basically everything I love in the lore, but gets little love in plastic minis.

Nice review of the KT new terrain

Fascinating. It almost looks like a 2x2 square area of Zone Mortalis floor equals a single square of Into the Dark floor. Maybe ZM kits are more compatible with this set after all..

I was also thinking how every box from Season 2 might come together and combine to form a bigger board, here's a draft showing how it could work:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
As that snippet does not actually having anything to connect it temporally to the other story events in the book it could just be from after the Kroot are dealt with. Or it could be from the week before, but still also after, because temporal shenanigans are afoot.

Are the expansions taking place in Chronological order, or could it be 3 or 4 different stories that all tie together in the end?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
As that snippet does not actually having anything to connect it temporally to the other story events in the book it could just be from after the Kroot are dealt with. Or it could be from the week before, but still also after, because temporal shenanigans are afoot.

Are the expansions taking place in Chronological order, or could it be 3 or 4 different stories that all tie together in the end?

Exactly.
Or y’know they could occur in reverse chronological order and tie together in the end because warp time. Accidental time travel is a great plot hook. Maybe the Kasrkin were sent in to rescue the Breachers but arrived on the hulk before they boarded?

 tauist wrote:
Fascinating. It almost looks like a 2x2 square area of Zone Mortalis floor equals a single square of Into the Dark floor. Maybe ZM kits are more compatible with this set after all..

ZM tiles aren't even all the same size, so... good luck.

I like to think that there never was a plan to release a Killteam box with Kasrkin, but rather that this is all just an internal leaker hunt and the fluff text a final good bye note and gotcha to the one leaker they were filtering down.

Honestly though, even as a Guard player, I severely hope we will see no Kasrkin in Killteam apart from a WD list. It would be a wasted release slot since they already have a kit coming out and similar to the Primaris Killteam, don't offer much in the sense of loadout variety. I'd much rather see dedicated teams from one of the overlooked races. Tyranids, GSC, Necrons, Demons didn't get a team so far and all of them could need new/updated units for 40K as well.

The only Imperial faction that would be nice is an Inquisitorial retinue, but GW hates the idea of that it seems. Or maybe Catachans, because they are almost old enough to think about a coffin insurance. But then I would like the terrain to be a Tyranid infested mess, you know, wishlisting and all that.

I can't imagine it would be hard or difficult to design a 3D printable ZM to ItD adapter piece so you could mix the sets together to some extent.

 Tastyfish wrote:
The Kasrkin message is this

"They scratch at the walls and the doors. Always, always scratching. Trying to find a way through. I here them screeching, clamouring for blood. I'm the last one left. The whole company is dead. They're all gone. Only a matter of time until I'm dead too. I'm not going down lightly. If anyone finds this message, know that Cadia stood here, it stood with us"
- Karskin Jormo Gedansk

Oh that's Jormo being a total drama queen like always. The company isn't dead, they're just getting in some rack time. I swear Jormo sees a rat and he goes on like it's a hoard of genestealers.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:
The Kasrkin message is this

"They scratch at the walls and the doors. Always, always scratching. Trying to find a way through. I here them screeching, clamouring for blood. I'm the last one left. The whole company is dead. They're all gone. Only a matter of time until I'm dead too. I'm not going down lightly. If anyone finds this message, know that Cadia stood here, it stood with us"
- Karskin Jormo Gedansk

Oh that's Jormo being a total drama queen like always. The company isn't dead, they're just getting in some rack time. I swear Jormo sees a rat and he goes on like it's a hoard of genestealers.

Freaking Jormo. At it again.

Any reason to get more than 1 set of the terrain?

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Any reason to get more than 1 set of the terrain?

Nothing jumps out of this set, I'd definitely be curious if some other sets brought back some more height but kept the 'can't shoot across walls' rule for a mini second level.
That or you want 30/40k Zone mortalis.

A bunch of my stuff is storage as moving, so curious does this terrain match the scale of the Space Hulk (4e) board? Curious if it could be used to do a full 3d Space Hulk game (obviously a lot more would be needed).

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Any reason to get more than 1 set of the terrain?

Not for now. I would wait for news about the next big boxes. There is a good chance that following sets will contain some amount of duplicate sprues (in addition to one or two new sprues) and Into the Dark scenery to be available separately as good value Killzone set.

deano2099 wrote:
A bunch of my stuff is storage as moving, so curious does this terrain match the scale of the Space Hulk (4e) board? Curious if it could be used to do a full 3d Space Hulk game (obviously a lot more would be needed).

Only with a lot of modification/sawing/magnets involved. And you would need 2 sets at least is my guess. At that point, you might be better of just building it yourself with plasticard.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
I like to think that there never was a plan to release a Killteam box with Kasrkin, but rather that this is all just an internal leaker hunt and the fluff text a final good bye note and gotcha to the one leaker they were filtering down.

Honestly though, even as a Guard player, I severely hope we will see no Kasrkin in Killteam apart from a WD list. It would be a wasted release slot since they already have a kit coming out and similar to the Primaris Killteam, don't offer much in the sense of loadout variety. I'd much rather see dedicated teams from one of the overlooked races. Tyranids, GSC, Necrons, Demons didn't get a team so far and all of them could need new/updated units for 40K as well.

The only Imperial faction that would be nice is an Inquisitorial retinue, but GW hates the idea of that it seems. Or maybe Catachans, because they are almost old enough to think about a coffin insurance. But then I would like the terrain to be a Tyranid infested mess, you know, wishlisting and all that.

There have been significant rumours at this point that the next box is Kasarkin versus Necrons (with a Tau-esque upgrade sprue) and the box after that is Khornegors. With Adeptus Arbites coming soonish (but probably the first box next year, they don't really fit the Gollowdark tbh).

The amount of diagrams demonstrating edge-cases in how LOS works in relation to the "tight quarters" and hiding behind crevices in walls is making me pass on this one. Its just too convoluted.

This new edition of KT is a HUGE step-up from the last one, but the cover and LOS mechanics need more work to be made more fluid.