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Because its referenced as a "Castellan" in the video, while the other Castellan model is specifically referenced as a "Primaris Castellan". I.E. Admission by omission, if it was a Primaris Castellan then it would have been stated as such just like the actual Primaris Castellan. By not including "Primaris" its Firstborn by default.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Because its referenced as a "Castellan" in the video, while the other Castellan model is specifically referenced as a "Primaris Castellan". I.E. Admission by omission, if it was a Primaris Castellan then it would have been stated as such just like the actual Primaris Castellan. By not including "Primaris" its Firstborn by default.

This is not true. Not all Primaris characters have word 'primaris' in their name.

I'd would also like to point out that EC has some old school elements as well, for example the upper part of the backpack is not in primaris style.

I don't need my optical bionics checked I have a pretty good understanding of proportions and anatomy

He's funny and goofy looking, sure. If that's what the sculptor is going for then mission accomplished.

Why try to portray it as anything but? It's not grim, gritty, realistic etc

Goose LeChance wrote:

And that fat Castellan is hilariously bad

That's your opinion. I think he looks fine. And with all those tubes on his upper torso I don't think he would survive taking off his armour. Pretty 40k for me. And while I usually don't like huge pauldrons like that, they somehow fit on this model (I guess it's the skulls).

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:

And that fat Castellan is hilariously bad

That's your opinion. I think he looks fine. And with all those tubes on his upper torso I don't think he would survive taking off his armour. Pretty 40k for me. And while I usually don't like huge paudrons like that, they somehow fit on this model (I guess it's the skulls).

Indeed it is my opinion, so we can avoid derailing the thread by challenging it.

I don't know what it is, but I really enjoy whatever multi-axis rotation they have going on when recording those models.

 Crimson wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Because its referenced as a "Castellan" in the video, while the other Castellan model is specifically referenced as a "Primaris Castellan". I.E. Admission by omission, if it was a Primaris Castellan then it would have been stated as such just like the actual Primaris Castellan. By not including "Primaris" its Firstborn by default.

This is not true. Not all Primaris characters have word 'primaris' in their name.

I'd would also like to point out that EC has some old school elements as well, for example the upper part of the backpack is not in primaris style.

There is literally nothing Primaris about the Castellan, not the armour and not the name.

 Las wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:
Due to GWs ever increasing scale creep and lack of quality control we've now come full circle and Primaris scale marines are beginning to look as squat and chubby as the original firstborn

...but the Castellan is Firstborn.

How we know?

We know that's no Mk X armor.

These are indeed the most 40k marines designed in many years. Absolutely love them. I don't really need another marine army, but it's really tempting.

A quick photoshopping to show what I feel is weird with the Castellan's proportions. He has super stumpy legs (like many of the old marines) and in combination with his bulk this makes him look like dwarf. I don't think he is this squat in the artwork either, though there the legs are partly obscured. I stretched the legs a bit and I think it looks far better.

Eh, I kinda dig the fact he looks like an angry barrel.

Nobody said Squats can't become Space Marines smh. Clearly the Black Templars are blazing new ground by accepting abhumans into their ranks

You can't stop the chibi marines

Goose LeChance wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:

And that fat Castellan is hilariously bad

That's your opinion. I think he looks fine. And with all those tubes on his upper torso I don't think he would survive taking off his armour. Pretty 40k for me. And while I usually don't like huge paudrons like that, they somehow fit on this model (I guess it's the skulls).

Indeed it is my opinion, so we can avoid derailing the thread by challenging it.

Um... that's kinda awkward. YOU stated your opinion like it's a fact. And my response wasn't "no, you're wrong, this model is great!". Taste differs, but to avoid "challenging" you should stop talking like you're on a schoolyard.

 Dryaktylus wrote:


Um... that's kinda awkward. YOU stated your opinion like it's a fact. And my response wasn't "no, you're wrong, this model is great!". Taste differs, but to avoid "challenging" you should stop talking like you're on a schoolyard.

It was more for everyone since I could feel the usual dogpile incoming

Goose LeChance wrote:
Indeed it is my opinion, so we can avoid derailing the thread by challenging it.

I guess a forum is the wrong place to express wether you agree with someone's opinion or not. If only there was a proper place to have such a discourse /s

a_typical_hero wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:
Indeed it is my opinion, so we can avoid derailing the thread by challenging it.

I guess a forum is the wrong place to express wether you agree with someone's opinion or not. If only there was a proper place to have such a discourse /s

I mean I could challenge every stupid opinion on this forum but then I'd be here all day

Regardless, let's hope that's all Black Templars get for the foreseeable decade or two.

Goose LeChance wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:


Um... that's kinda awkward. YOU stated your opinion like it's a fact. And my response wasn't "no, you're wrong, this model is great!". Taste differs, but to avoid "challenging" you should stop talking like you're on a schoolyard.

It was more for everyone since I could feel the usual dogpile incoming

I didn't like most of the other Space Marine releases, what's your point?

Goose LeChance wrote:
I mean I could challenge every stupid opinion on this forum but then I'd be here all day

Uhh..

The castellan is great! Faithful to the artwork. Not every marine is a basketball player. Being on this side of the Rubicon, I might even collect him. Crossing that point of no return is like the scene in Prometheus where the Android doses that dude with the mutating primordial worm that squiggles up into his eyes and deserves the same response - purge those maggots with fire!

 Dryaktylus wrote:

YOU stated your opinion like it's a fact.

No I didn't, it goes without saying that it's an opinion. I think you interpreted it as a statement of fact and took it as a personal insult. I apologise for calling fat marines fat. (not really)

 Kanluwen wrote:
There was mention of an Ancient BUT there's a possibility that the Ancient is built from the Sword Brethren or it was misidentifying the Bladeguard Ancient.

Hes in the background behind the tank, beside the Dread- robes and a standard I think..

I do like the Castellan - captures the artwork really well but definitely looks like he could have been a limited ed miniature..

The castellan proportions are slightly off from other firstborn. Pauldrons look even bigger than normal, and the harness chestplate looks like an additional plate strapped over the normal torso. But it does match the art.

I kind of like the Castellan, but his proportions are definitely way off. It's odd how the entire Primaris relaunch was about rebooting the proportion of the Marine line and they've maintained it with an iron grip until this BT release, when a fair few models have just completely lost the plot.

Boy, resisting just got a lot harder. What a spectacular array of models.

 silverstu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There was mention of an Ancient BUT there's a possibility that the Ancient is built from the Sword Brethren or it was misidentifying the Bladeguard Ancient.

Hes in the background behind the tank, beside the Dread- robes and a standard I think..

That's the existing Bladeguard Ancient from the Indomitus box.

No Ancient would be the first mistake made by that rumour dump, although I don't think it undermines the veracity much, it's already got so much right + this is one case where it seems a fair enough mistake to make.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Boy, resisting just got a lot harder. What a spectacular array of models.

 silverstu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There was mention of an Ancient BUT there's a possibility that the Ancient is built from the Sword Brethren or it was misidentifying the Bladeguard Ancient.

Hes in the background behind the tank, beside the Dread- robes and a standard I think..

That's the existing Bladeguard Ancient from the Indomitus box.

No Ancient would be the first mistake made by that rumour dump, although I don't think it undermines the veracity much, it's already got so much right + this is one case where it seems a fair enough mistake to make.

I can entirely see him confusing the generic Bladeguard Ancient in the back of that one image for a Black Templar Ancient, if he got access to the official photos before we did - it's, afterall, one of the very few not-Black Templars in that photo, and the rest are pretty obvious.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Goose LeChance wrote:

And that fat Castellan is hilariously bad

That's your opinion. I think he looks fine. And with all those tubes on his upper torso I don't think he would survive taking off his armour. Pretty 40k for me. And while I usually don't like huge pauldrons like that, they somehow fit on this model (I guess it's the skulls).

He looks kinda lame though. Not as bad as some of the sword brethren but still overall quite bad.

Yeah, not sold on the LT or the swords bros (the poses and the grips on some of the weapons are just weird, and the cloaks are laughable).

Really nice looking bits pack, however. (Though I'm not sold on the sheer quantity of scout bits).

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I just need to find a way to get him into my Deathwatch...

Ditto, but I'm loath to replace his super-chunky shoulder pads with a DW pad... hmm...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I just need to find a way to get him into my Deathwatch...

Ditto, but I'm loath to replace his super-chunky shoulder pads with a DW pad... hmm...

Chain it on top of the original one.