Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.

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**xttz**

Dysartes wrote:
never assume a kit is compatible with another until you have bought both of them...

Crimson wrote:

I never understand how some people have so hard time gluing two plastic bits together...

Are some kits made from recycled VHS plastic, and others from Betamax?

**Kitane**

Draccan wrote:
13 models and a thin codex for 1200 DKK (Danish kroner).

No terrain, no vehicles, no real amount of models...

Are they insane?

I still remember mega forces with a Land Raider, Drop Pod, land speeder, four squads of infantry and a character and a dreadnought...

It's not insane, it's merely boring. Just like their pointless web bundles.

**Sunno**

I look in on 40K from time to time as i love the lore and models. I paint them occasionally. But i dont play the game.

£125 for 12 small plastic models, 1 walker model and some small cards. Fookin insane. Im not counting the book as the book and rules will be FAQ'ed, updated or changed at some point, so its practically worthless.

Not only is the price mental, its out of step with things they already produce. A Space Marine Combat Patrol box of 17 dudes at the same scale and a floaty tank is £85. Why are you prepared to pay more money for less stuff? Its literally the same stuff.

Or the vangard start collecting box £54

GW models are lovely. But they only get away with the prices because you madlads still buy it.

**NAVARRO**

It just flags that each individual kit on its own is so expensive these days that when you bundled them in one box the price is just too hard to swallow.

You have snipers and heavy dudes in a box of 3 for £30 and characters at £20... The dread is £40 (actually not bad price in comparison with 32mm characters).

Books are all trash bin material for me too so yeah.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Books are gonna be trash bin material for everyone in a few weeks.

**H.B.M.C.**

Maybe if it had two units of 10 Crusaders, or included the 5-man Sword Brother unit the box would almost be worthwhile.

**Wha-Mu-077**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe if it had two units of 10 Crusaders, or included the 5-man Sword Brother unit the box would almost be worthwhile.

To be fair, most Army Boxes have been quite gak recently. The Beast Snagga ones had just 3 units, one of which was an EtB sprue doubled up. But at least they it had like, 25 or so minis.

**Jidmah**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe if it had two units of 10 Crusaders, or included the 5-man Sword Brother unit the box would almost be worthwhile.

To be fair, most Army Boxes have been quite gak recently. The Beast Snagga ones had just 3 units, one of which was an EtB sprue doubled up. But at least they it had like, 25 or so minis.

None of the beastsnaggas are ETB by any measure.

You are probably confusing them for the combat patrol box.

**bullyboy**

Just wondering why people are losing their gak over this, it's not a surprise. You are still roughly getting the Marshall and cards for free. The 10 man sqd will be $60, the Emp Champ probably $40, redemptor $65, $30 codex supplement, so..... big shocker, it's $200. it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.

**Wha-Mu-077**

bullyboy wrote:
it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.

Probably because said codex and cards are gonna be outdated in a few weeks because GW never proofreads anything resulting in tons of mistakes and misspellings, and does a crapton of FaQs and balance changes after the release of a Codex. Besides, you can get the rules online.

**Las**

bullyboy wrote:
Just wondering why people are losing their gak over this, it's not a surprise. You are still roughly getting the Marshall and cards for free. The 10 man sqd will be $60, the Emp Champ probably $40, redemptor $65, $30 codex supplement, so..... big shocker, it's $200. it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.

It just doesn't have the value.

Look at this "key features" description:

JamesWorkshop wrote:Show your zeal by being one of the first to build and paint the new Black Templars models
13 multipart plastic miniatures, including 12 available for the first time in this box
Includes the new edition of Codex Supplement: Black Templars with exclusive cover art, plus datacards and a transfer sheet
Limited stock: pre-order before 8:00am BST on Monday the 11th of October to be guaranteed a copy – for more information, see our Pre-order Promise

Literally the first value claim is to be the first to own. Second to that is 13 models[i].

**bullyboy**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.

Probably because said codex and cards are gonna be outdated in a few weeks because GW never proofreads anything resulting in tons of mistakes and misspellings, and does a crapton of FaQs and balance changes after the release of a Codex. Besides, you can get the rules online.

pretty much everyone I game with buys the codex, YMMV. If you don't, sure, then this box is not for you but that doesn't make it worthless for those who does buy an army codex.

**Crimson**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.

Probably because said codex and cards are gonna be outdated in a few weeks because GW never proofreads anything resulting in tons of mistakes and misspellings, and does a crapton of FaQs and balance changes after the release of a Codex. Besides, you can get the rules online.

So who is forcing these people who do not want the book and cards to buy this box?

**Kanluwen**

Some early reviews are out. Sword Brethren are 4 model minimums, allowing for you to build 4+Castellan from the box when it drops.

**Crimson**

Kanluwen wrote:
Some early reviews are out. Sword Brethren are 4 model minimums, allowing for you to build 4+Castellan from the box when it drops.

Could you provide some links?

**CMLR**

Shame the ten man squad has a set number of members instead of letting you choose if going full neophytes, initiates or sword brethren.

I like me some fancy special cover, and I'm not here merely for the rules.

**Kanluwen**

Here's Goonhammer's review.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Interesting that Neophytes get the same Chainswords as Initiates.

**Crimson**

My primary observation of the rules is that I envy all the options. BT Primaris characters actually now get a nice selection of loadouts. Also a new weapon option for Primaris vehicles and cool little relics you can give to your squads.

I really wish they would errata at least some of this gear to vanilla marines too. After all, all the Intercessor sergeant melee weapon options only exist via chapter specific upgrade sprues too, yet every chapter gets them. They need to FAQ Primaris Captain weapon options anyway, as the Imperium Magazine captain model comes with a currently illegal loadout.

**Oguhmek**

Love all the new BT models, and will probably paint a small force of them at some point (using the Indomitus marines I already have laying about).

But man, that's a lot of money for frankly not a lot of stuff in that box. I think I will have to pass.

**CMLR**

I don't get it, why some of the BT weapons are yellow and some are red?

**H.B.M.C.**

Goonhammer wrote:Sword Brethren are an odd unit. They’re melee Primaris veterans and have some astoundingly cool models, but that comes at a terrible price – they’ve been bitten by the curse of the model-linked equipment options. As a result, you have to take a weird hodge-podge of melee weapons if you’re buying fancy toys for them, making them hard to specialise...

Goonhammer wrote:Their datasheet also suffers from Kommando Syndrome, where their kit has a ton of cool bits in and the new rules philosophy of “only give them what’s in the kit” means you have to negotiate 12 bullet points to figure out whether one or two guys can have lightning claws.

*sigh*

So much for Sword Brethren...

**Wha-Mu-077**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Goonhammer wrote:Sword Brethren are an odd unit. They’re melee Primaris veterans and have some astoundingly cool models, but that comes at a terrible price – they’ve been bitten by the curse of the model-linked equipment options. As a result, you have to take a weird hodge-podge of melee weapons if you’re buying fancy toys for them, making them hard to specialise...
Goonhammer wrote:Their datasheet also suffers from Kommando Syndrome, where their kit has a ton of cool bits in and the new rules philosophy of “only give them what’s in the kit” means you have to negotiate 12 bullet points to figure out whether one or two guys can have lightning claws.
*sigh*

So much for Sword Brethren...

Geedubs' crippling fear of 3rd party bits strikes again.

**chaos0xomega**

Geifer wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Hey maybe you gents can help me out - in one of the older codexes or rulebooks (I think Codex: Space Marines circa 4th/5th edition, but I'm not positive) I recall there being an image, it was either a painted miniature or a color plate of a Black Templar in a "half-and-half" black and white color scheme (i.e. draw a vertical line down the middle, one side was black the other side was white. IIRC it was accompanied by some flavor text that said something to the effect of "High Marshal So-and-so in the distinctive half and half color scheme of his crusading fleet" or something like that. I've been trying to find that image for reference for a few days now and having no luck, don't remember the name or title of the marine (pretty sure it was a High Marshal but not positive) or anything else really other than the fact that I thought it looked cool and I told myself that if I ever did Templars I would try to do them in that color scheme. Would love it if someone could post the image or at least point me in the right direction of finding it myself.

I don't remember ever seeing Black Templars painted like that in a GW publication. Are you sure that it was Black Templars? Halved black and white is the color scheme of Omega Marines, and while I'm not sure when they were first published, they did feature in the color plates of Insignium Astartes that was released around 4th ed.

Fairly sure it was Black Templars. It was in a book I owned (which in that period of time probably limits it to either the Core Rulebook or a codex), I've never heard of Insignium Astartes so it definitely was not that. That being said the Omega Marines color plate is roughly similar to what I remember, except that I'm pretty sure it was featured as a converted mini of some sort that was meant to represent some sort of character (it looked pretty badass).

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe if it had two units of 10 Crusaders, or included the 5-man Sword Brother unit the box would almost be worthwhile.

To be fair, most Army Boxes have been quite gak recently. The Beast Snagga ones had just 3 units, one of which was an EtB sprue doubled up. But at least they it had like, 25 or so minis.

Technically 5 units. There are 2 10-man Beast Snagga boxes in there, its your choice whether you build them as 2 10-man units or 1 20-man, so 2 units there. Then theres the Squighog guys, which is 1 squad of 3 plus a Nob which is a separate unit, so another 2 units there for a total of 4. And then theres the hero dude with the hair which brings it to 5.

**Nightlord1987**

So Neophyte options are bolt carbine, chainsword pistol, and shotguns?

Im trying to retrofit my Scouts into Crusader Squads. Seems like GDubs has pinned me down once again.

Those Bolt Carbines look pretty much like regular bolters as far as I can tell. I dont notice any foregrip like the reiver Carbines have.

Edit: so it looks like the only difference is a square magazine instead of sickle.

**GaroRobe**

The sister army box wasn't too bad.
But then they re-released it a few years later for $60-70 less as a combat patrol AND added a rhino.

Sure, the army box had a codex and plain dice, but that codex was replaced during the second sisters wave a few months back

**Lord Damocles**

GaroRobe wrote:
The sister army box wasn't too bad.
But then they re-released it a few years later for $60-70 less as a combat patrol AND added a rhino.

Sure, the army box had a codex and plain dice, but that codex was replaced during the second sisters wave a few months back

And in a relatively short time, they sprues will be included in Imperium for about £36.

**Geifer**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Geifer wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Hey maybe you gents can help me out - in one of the older codexes or rulebooks (I think Codex: Space Marines circa 4th/5th edition, but I'm not positive) I recall there being an image, it was either a painted miniature or a color plate of a Black Templar in a "half-and-half" black and white color scheme (i.e. draw a vertical line down the middle, one side was black the other side was white. IIRC it was accompanied by some flavor text that said something to the effect of "High Marshal So-and-so in the distinctive half and half color scheme of his crusading fleet" or something like that. I've been trying to find that image for reference for a few days now and having no luck, don't remember the name or title of the marine (pretty sure it was a High Marshal but not positive) or anything else really other than the fact that I thought it looked cool and I told myself that if I ever did Templars I would try to do them in that color scheme. Would love it if someone could post the image or at least point me in the right direction of finding it myself.

I don't remember ever seeing Black Templars painted like that in a GW publication. Are you sure that it was Black Templars? Halved black and white is the color scheme of Omega Marines, and while I'm not sure when they were first published, they did feature in the color plates of Insignium Astartes that was released around 4th ed.

Fairly sure it was Black Templars. It was in a book I owned (which in that period of time probably limits it to either the Core Rulebook or a codex), I've never heard of Insignium Astartes so it definitely was not that. That being said the Omega Marines color plate is roughly similar to what I remember, except that I'm pretty sure it was featured as a converted mini of some sort that was meant to represent some sort of character (it looked pretty badass).

Beats me. Though if it was indeed a miniature, that would likely put it in a book before 5th ed. I don't quite remember when GW shifted away from having a decicated page for showcasing conversions and non-'Eavy Metal models in codices, but the big time for that was 3rd and 4th ed. I reckon you'll only have a limited number of books to look through if you limit it to core publications:

3rd-5th ed rulebooks.
Codex Space Marines, 3rd ed and 4th ed (likely not the latter, that was Codex Ultramarines in all but name)
Codex Black Templars, 4th ed
Armageddon and Eye of Terror campaign books
Cityfight, maybe Planetstrike
Apocalypse, 1st ed

White Dwarf had a good bit of Space Marine stuff at the time of the Armageddon campaign as well, if you had White Dwarf at the time.What was that, summer 2000? 2001? Index Astartes also had miniature photos at the end of each article, but I don't think what you describe is in Index Astartes Black Templars.

**chaos0xomega**

TBH I'm wondering if maybe it was in Codex Dark Angels or Blood Angels (as I owned both) and I'm just remembering the wrong chapter - definitely wasn't in Codex Black Templars as I never owned it. Might have also been 6th ed era.

**JWBS**

DA successors have a bone/green half colour scheme (Angels of Redemption). BA have Angels Sanguine (red/black).