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The guy who posted those rumours is a top bloke and not the kind who seeks attention. Will be rapidly apparent whether they're true or not anyway. For my sake I hope they are as I really, really want a new Possessed kit.

On the one hand this release schedule is still a much better than previous editions. On the other it was looking like we might get a codex a month for a minute, which I think got everyone's hopes up, and now that is dashed.

I got my TS book so can't really complain too much, however, this release schedule is just an even more slap in the face to CSM players not getting the additional wound. There is no reason they couldn't, or can't, just FAQ and additional wound to CSM, Chosen, Raptor, Terminator, Warp talon, Bike, Beskerer, Noise Marine (just FAQ the new data sheet for PM and Rubrics) and Havocs. Yea maybe some other units get more wounds when the codex drops, but the above are all the units that most definitely will get a wound increase. It is one thing for the SM book to come out and there are a few months before a 2 wound update for CSM, but over a year, maybe longer. No way to justify that especially since they updated the weapons!

Just my thoughts

Oh, just in case this wasn't noted elsewhere: this rumour poster predicted the 10 man DKOK box in Nov 2020, where he also mentioned the "Veteran Cadian" redo.

*eyes the list in synaptic confusion*

So Nids might be the last ones in this round. Now I wonder whether we will even see the book in 2022...

Not too happy with squats coming back. Always the tought that they were lame and boring. Would have much better liked a new and more original addition to the game

If Squats come back - and they might well be called Demiurge or such - they won't be anything like the original ones. The open letter about why they were removed basically outright said that Squats just didn't work as they made the setting a bit more serious and didn't really have any powerful champion in the design team at the time.

Demiurge were designed to replace them, but never really broke out of Battlefleet Gothic.


We have seen one or two in Necromunda as characters so who knows perhaps they will make a return; but if they do they'll be very different to the "Squats of Old"

 Overread wrote:
If Squats come back - and they might well be called Demiurge or such - they won't be anything like the original ones. The open letter about why they were removed basically outright said that Squats just didn't work as they made the setting a bit more serious and didn't really have any powerful champion in the design team at the time.

Demiurge were designed to replace them, but never really broke out of Battlefleet Gothic.


We have seen one or two in Necromunda as characters so who knows perhaps they will make a return; but if they do they'll be very different to the "Squats of Old"

Virtually no-one is left from the 40k design team of that time though - that was something like 20 years ago.

Aye, which means whoever did design original Squats is long gone and the army itself has been gone that whilst "squatting" is a thing most gamers understand, very few around new ever actually saw a squat army.

Interesting stuff, and some great things to look forward to if true.

I find it convenient that these rumors are posted the day that the codex "roadmap" gets made on WarCom. There's a theory that GW purposefully releases rumors to get people talking and speculating, letting things leak, though I feel that this is more than they might have intended to leak.

Certainly gives us more to talk about. Let's take a look at some Rumor Engines that could match up with some of the rumors:


Could be the Chaos Cultist Icon Bearer


Could be a boot of the "Neophyte Sisters of Battle Unit"


Could be the Candle bits on top of new Black Templar models.


Very clearly points at the Genestealer Cult 'Saboteur' model that's hinted for the Custodes vs. Genestealer Cult box


Obviously Chaos. Could be part of the new Cultists or Warpsmith.


This one surprisingly doesn't match up with any of the Krieg models we've seen so far. Could be for Kasrkin or Veteran Cadians.


This one has 'Black Templar Ancient' written all over it.



These two could very well be the first of the Squats. Many people were pointing towards Kharadron Overlords, but the style just didn't seem to match quite right.


This here could be part of Kasrkin/Veteran Cadians, or could be another angle of the GSC Saboteur.


Very clearly a vehicle or terrain piece, and could be the new LemanRuss/Baneblade tank.

The predictions cover quite a lot of ground of the various rumor engines we've seen, and may even explain a few others too. There was also a Kill Team rumor a while ago on Faeit that said this:

"There will be new and old Models for KT, with new Specialist Sprues.
Craftworld Eldar, Tau Empire or Agents of the Imperium will set such Sets.
There will be also some completely new or unexpected Factions."

Which gives some credence to the Tau Pathfinders getting a new upgrade sprue in their box.

 zend wrote:
So if CSM/Daemons are next year, that means 2023 is going to be a huge loyalist Marine push with new supplements or they’re jumping right into 10th edition. Either way the cycle of Chaos having the worst books will begin anew.

Nah, you're being too optimistic. Chaos will be squeezed in as short releases in 2022 and Loyalist Marines 9.5 will be the focus for the year.

Its even more interesting that the rumor has disappeared from a number of websites.

They'll be on to 10th Edition before the rest of the Codex's get out there.

GW, when cutting off your nose to spite your face has become an artform.

caladancid wrote:
Its even more interesting that the rumor has disappeared from a number of websites.

Well, one way or another we've got a nice roadmap today

 Overread wrote:
Aye, which means whoever did design original Squats is long gone and the army itself has been gone that whilst "squatting" is a thing most gamers understand, very few around new ever actually saw a squat army.

Your looking for Bob Olley.

He's already got them covered. Most of the ranges have new homes, Links added for the Info.

http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/home.html

http://www.olleysarmies.co.uk/links.html

 xeen wrote:
On the one hand this release schedule is still a much better than previous editions. On the other it was looking like we might get a codex a month for a minute, which I think got everyone's hopes up, and now that is dashed.

The list looks heavily based around what models are coming as opposed to what new rules are coming. For example there's no mention of Octarius II or any other expansions, which are almost certainly happening.

I wouldn't rule out any change to the current pace of releases. However the chances are anyone not explicitly mentioned (i.e. Imp. Knights, Tyranids) will probably just have a minimal release alongside their codex in between the other larger projects.

It does seem odd that Tyranids would be featured in the current campaign lore but then pushed back way into next year or further. Then again GW had Malarion and Lumineth in the 1.0 and 2.0 Lore for AoS and only one of those forces appeared right at the end of 2.0. Meanwhile Ossiarchs were the "army that was never there until it always was upon release" kinda deal which was a total surprise





We welcome one for me as I love them ,but still very much a surprise release.

LOL.

This was a roadmap? Three codexes we already knew about, including one that is technically already available [Local store has 2 boxes of Beast Snaggers] and then some really gakky cover art for two "Mystery" codexes?

Wow. I'm speachless...

Well its a road-map not a preview.

We now have rough dates for all 3 of those codex and dates for 2 mystery codex, which are clearly just mysteries until the next big reveal event and designed to - well - generate pages of interest and chatter in social communities so - I'd say its working just as intended.

As an aside we can fairly safely say the "missing" month is also most likely when the AoS Battletomes will be dropping so we get a nice chunk of info. Sure its not a complete road map with every model and item, but its a rough guide at least.


It's not as if we are hurting for releases

 Overread wrote:
Well its a road-map not a preview.

Most roadmaps have things on them you didn't know beforehand.

And this roadmap has two codices we haven’t seen.

Dread Master wrote:
And this roadmap has two codices we haven’t seen.

We haven't seem them now either, there's some placeholder artwork in the way.

Hmmm. So basically updating all of the remaining units for the Undivided Legions, bar a few characters. Especially excited to hear rumors about an actual kit for Chosen. And I think I might have a theory on how they'll make them relevant.

All of that other stuff, Traitor Guardsmen, human characters, mutated and possessed humans. That can only be one thing: R&H/The Lost and The Damned/<INSERT COPYRIGHTABLE NAME HERE>. Sounds good. Except for the wait.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Hmmm. So basically updating all of the remaining units for the Undivided Legions, bar a few characters. Especially excited to hear rumors about an actual kit for Chosen. And I think I might have a theory on how they'll make them relevant.

All of that other stuff, Traitor Guardsmen, human characters, mutated and possessed humans. That can only be one thing: R&H/The Lost and The Damned/<INSERT COPYRIGHTABLE NAME HERE>. Sounds good. Except for the wait.

Considering how spotty GW has been with providing Chaos players a full Chaos Cultist kit, it's nice to see them trying to flesh out the range. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chaos Cultists rumored here are a 'test' to see if they can hold their own and be expanded into a full Renegade list, separate from the Chaos Marine dex.

So we have a shot at 5 years of reroll failed morale as our sole free layer of rules and might get to enjoy 2 years of being stuck at 1 wound while Loyalists run around with 2.

What a massive disappointment post Marines 2.0 has been.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Especially excited to hear rumors about an actual kit for Chosen.

Be careful what you wish for.

"One model in every 5 may have a Meltagun. One model in every 5 may have a Plasma Gun. One model in every 5..."

KurtAngle2 wrote:
gak roadmap if you ask me, missing October entirely and December is 100% AM + GSC/Tyr/Eldar (a bird told me the latter)

JSG wrote:
I think Oct is supposed to be an AoS chaos tome.

A little bird told me October is Horus Heresy.

Mind you, I have no reason to trust the bird whatsoever, they are not a source I have ever received rumors from before, apply usual amounts of salt.

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
Link to this rumor/source? I must've missed it.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/rumors-chaos-space-marines.html

The guy going by the name "Chapter Master Valrak" is mostly active on the Bolter & Chainsword forum and seems to be in the know for BT.

Valrak was in the past a notoriously bad source of rumors. He has been posting rumors since Guilliman was released of various traitor/loyalist primarchs being released in plastic - especially Dorn. None have come to fruition in... ~4 years? Its to the point that its actually become a meme in certain corners of the online 40k community. Not sure if the deleted rumor posts that are being discussed here came from Valrak, if so then it would seem that he has some legitimate rumor hookups now.

Hoping those rumors are true though, they sound pretty good all in all.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Especially excited to hear rumors about an actual kit for Chosen.

Be careful what you wish for.

"One model in every 5 may have a Meltagun. One model in every 5 may have a Plasma Gun. One model in every 5..."

Eh, one would hope that a new kit wouldn't have options on the sprue so limited to warrant that kind of rules disaster. But, it's gw and it's CSM, so it could happen. At least they won't be given the Legends or Trueborn treatment.

yukishiro1 wrote:
Yeah, but they can't charge you money for that. Come on, priorities here.

There isn't a simple fix. If you gave Rubrics W2 and let them keep everything else you'd see 20 mans walking all over some people and not others. Just giving W2 doesn't fix CSM even if people want to pretend it would be.

But it doesn't have to solve all of CSMs problems. It just has to make them worth playing until they get their proper 'Dex.

A blanket +1W would help immensely and at least not leave them in the cold for yet another 6-12 months.

We let our Chaos Marines play with +1W for free on their power armoured units for some time now. Terminators can get +1W for 5 points per model.

Works well enough for us.