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Clearly, it's aimed at Abba fans.

I hear it’s so good, you’ll feel like you win when you lose

 privateer4hire wrote:
I hear it’s so good, you’ll feel like you win when you lose

How could anyone ever refuse?

 privateer4hire wrote:
I hear it’s so good, you’ll feel like you win when you lose

Any good game should do. Because winning the game is not the ultimate win, enjoying the game is the win.

True. Now that I am finally facing my Waterloo


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
I hear it’s so good, you’ll feel like you win when you lose

How could anyone ever refuse?

They really couldn’t. Even if we were quoting song lyrics.

Thank you Warlord Games for missed the chance to bring another something other instead of the 1.000.000th Napoleon Range...

The inclusion of one unit of Rifles for every three line units in the British boxes is rather strange. And the decision to have the Rifles formed up without skirmishers is even stranger.

I agree Derek, especially since the French light infantry are separate and skirmishing. Maybe there's something about he uniform that made that harder to do with the British?

Razor, as far as I know these are the first less than 28mm plastic Napoleonic miniatures. I'm very happy to see more small scale plastic stuff on strips, even if they have to start with the most popular periods.

the first 15mm ones were the Risk plastic models and depending on your definition if plastic, 1/72i s the most common scale for plastic Napeolonic and those already existed long before 28mm in plastic was a thing

now we have 28mm, 25mm, 15mm and 8mm plastic minis for Napo

 Albertorius wrote:
They do look gorgeous and I love the scale.

As an spaniard, though, playing either french of brits of that era feels somewhat wrong, for some reason

Then you'll need to convince a Spanish or other Continental manufacturer to make a similar line for L'Empereur Napoleon's other foes. Otherwise, of course a British manufacturer is going to focus exclusively on a British victory. Similarly, Warlord and Perry Bros. sell Rorke's Drifts starters for the Anglo-Zulu War, but not the Battle of Isandlwana where the British lost.

Perhaps it is different outside of the Anglosphere, but I find most people within it forget that Napoleon's military reputation is built mainly on the bodies of Austrians and Prussians. Especially the former, starting with Italy when Napoleon was still a general for Revolutionary France, then throughout the Napoleonic period proper (with pauses as the Austrians had to train new troops after their previous defeat). But like the Terminator, the Austrians would be back.

And despite being tempted as a former Napoleonic player, I too am tired of yet another Waterloo starter, and so will give this a pass. Need to get a French manufacturer to make a Austerlitz starter, the "Battle of Three Emperors" with the French at their peak decisively defeating the allied Austrian and Russian armies.

Derek H wrote:
The inclusion of one unit of Rifles for every three line units in the British boxes is rather strange. And the decision to have the Rifles formed up without skirmishers is even stranger.

There were 26 British Battalions at Waterloo of which only three were Rifles. And two of those were understrength with six companies instead of the usual ten.

That's about 1 in ten battalions compared to the one in four found in in the Warlord boxes.

RazorEdge wrote:
Thank you Warlord Games for missed the chance to bring another something other instead of the 1.000.000th Napoleon Range...

It's not about doing something new, it's about creating a new entry-level drug for people who stick to Warlord as their source of Baby's First Historcal - remember, without trying to sound too unflattering with the comparison, they're the GW of historicals and I've noticed a lot more people get into the scale as a rest of the ACW set, specifically because A) Warlord was pushing it and B) It was a solid, plastic starting point.

Having a large box of 13mm plastics from a well known company rather than going onto a website from the 90s and ordering several dozen metal packs (not dissing, most of my ACW stuff is from Kalistra) is going to, and has had, a large draw for newblood into historicals below 28mm.

ACW has the advantage of just 2 factions and that you got most what you needed from the plastic sets

Napoleonic with just the 3 factions present at Waterloo is not even an entry level for 15mm Napo but just what it is, a single boxed set for Waterloo were the it is cheaper to buy 28mm from other companies than trying to set up an Epic army for another scenario (because of the strange unit composition in the boxes)

 kodos wrote:
ACW has the advantage of just 2 factions and that you got most what you needed from the plastic sets

Napoleonic with just the 3 factions present at Waterloo is not even an entry level for 15mm Napo but just what it is, a single boxed set for Waterloo were the it is cheaper to buy 28mm from other companies than trying to set up an Epic army for another scenario (because of the strange unit composition in the boxes)

Depends what you consider a "faction present at Waterloo"? The Anglo-Allied Army has substantial contingents of British, KGL, Hanovarian, Dutch, Belgian, Brunswick and Nassau troops, all of which could be considered as different "factions".

Though to my mind "faction" is just not a useful term when discussing historical wargaming.

The problem with the ACW set was that you got nothing you needed from the plastic set, because the uniform wasn't right for either side. But yeah, these things I guess are good as a starting point for people who want to get into historical gaming and Black Powder without having to figure out exactly what to buy. And I'd be happy to see more strips of small scale plastic miniatures for the horse and musket period.

The ACW set was clearly a low budget low risk product test to see what demand was like. They only needed to cut one set of sprues in plastic for it, basically and it was "good enough" to fill in both sides of the conflict even if it was less than perfect. I'm guessing they've moved to Napoleonics now because ACW was well received.

Shame these aren’t 10mm, would be great addition to the other 10mm fantasy and historical model ranges available.

Image spoilered due to the size.

Following last week's announcement of Epic Battles: Waterloo we were inundated with questions ,the most common of which was: "will there be more plastics?" Though we can't say too much quite yet, here's an early preview of more upcoming plastic British.

Oh hey, the Skimrishers people wanted

This makes their decision to put rifles in strips on the infantry sprue even more baffling. You were going to end up with may more than you'd ever need already. Now you're going to replace the strip ones with these anyway. Really reduces the value of that infantry box since it makes you buy a bunch of stuff you aren't going to use.

A podcast mentioned that there were 11 plastic sprues created so far. The pre-order had 6 so that leaves another 5. I was thinking the split could be 1 for the British (Highlanders plus Skirmishing Rifles), 1 for the French and 3 for Prussians.

It was also mentioned that Austrians and Russians may come in the future but the plastic mould costs are prohibitive.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
This makes their decision to put rifles in strips on the infantry sprue even more baffling. You were going to end up with may more than you'd ever need already. Now you're going to replace the strip ones with these anyway. Really reduces the value of that infantry box since it makes you buy a bunch of stuff you aren't going to use.

It baffled me when I mentioned it on the first page of this discussion but, even though they were Light Infantry and are famous for skirmishing, the 60th and 95th Rifles were just as capable as forming line with regular battalions.

Maybe the 95th were included in Line formation because Warlord is a British Company and, thanks to Bernard Cornwell and Sean Bean, us Brits love a Greenjacket.

but it is not just the Rifles, you end up with a lot of stripes you don't need if you buy the sets just to get enough from those models that you need

95th Rifles are popular. Warlord knows people are going to want them, so what better well to buff sales than sell their skirmishing variation separately? Voltigeurs aren't nearly as known/popular, so they got away with skirmishing in the starter set.

The next issue of Wargames Illustrated has a free sprue of either English or French Heavy Cavalry on for those interested in having a closer look at the models without buying a full box

Epic Battles: Waterloo

Waterloo is the famous battle everyone has heard of in this time period. (but it is starting at the end of the period)

& as a starter set its the best bet to start for a new scale/ battle system for any company

Gives the possibility of expansion of range growth straight away with the Prussians


if it doesn't go down that well with the paying public. the people who have bought it can play it out to there hearts content as it looks quite a good self contained set.

if it does succeed. it has the scope of other settings / new starter sets
Austerlitz , Borodino , Peninsular war or Egypt

plus lots of scope to bring out booster box's for gaps in the range
(& inexpensive to produce a new sprue now & then the keep new release's every 3 to 6 months to keep interest peeked)

ive bought both box's
ive never played warlords game system 'black powder' before but if i dont like the games mechanic i can use a another rule set for epic Napoleonic's

In an interview recently they also said that if this goes well, the next one would be ECW... which wouldn't require many sprue at all to make

 endtransmission wrote:
In an interview recently they also said that if this goes well, the next one would be ECW... which wouldn't require many sprue at all to make

John stallard is a massive fan of ECW. So its not a surprise that's the next on the list

but i hope they continue to support the previous release's in the Epic Battles range

I'll be going to Salute tomorrow and seeing as Warlord will be there I'm going to have a close look at this, very tempted. I've never played one of these small scale historicals before so it could well lure me in.

Black Powder is a fun game. But if you're used to either very competitive games where you build killer lists, or games with lots of gamey stuff, like spending points on tactics to give you buffs and stuff like that, it will be very different. If you like more narrative games, and are interested in the historical period, it's very fun. Similar in mechanics to Warmaster, where a lot of the focus is on command and control and dealing with not always being able to do everything you want with all your units. Much smaller numbers of dice are rolled than in a typical warhammer game, so dramatic things can happen.