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Grimskul wrote: This pretty much highlights the majority of my issues with the movie:
This was gold (and a spoiler):
Spoiler:
"An alcoholic troll pops out of a space portal and introduces one of the guys from One Direction!"
"I mean...yeah, okay, that may as well happen, sure."
Grimskul wrote: This pretty much highlights the majority of my issues with the movie:
This was gold (and a spoiler):
Spoiler:
"An alcoholic troll pops out of a space portal and introduces one of the guys from One Direction!"
"I mean...yeah, okay, that may as well happen, sure."
Haha, right? They really did nail that part since that was basically my sister's reaction when she saw that part of the movie, "Hey, isn't that guy..."
Eh. Tie in character for the character in the end credit sequence for GotG2. And the GotG in general, and possibly bouncing off Strange in his 2nd film.
He does bring the disturbing implication that we'll be seeing Thanos again, and also maybe Infinity Watch and Infinity Crusade is in the cards for future 'phases'. But since the MCU rather skipped over everything inside the Soul Stone, some of that may not apply.
I doubt very much Thanos is coming back any time soon. That was a pretty definitive end to him. Unless the beheaded version reconstitutes due to his Eternal ancestry.
And as far as Pip goes. Compare it to Howard the Duck.
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Lance845 wrote: I doubt very much Thanos is coming back any time soon. That was a pretty definitive end to him. Unless the beheaded version reconstitutes due to his Eternal ancestry.
Soon is relative. Future phases could go on for a decade plus, and then... wham bam Eternal ma'am. Very comics, and they barely scraped the surface of Thanos, and honestly misused him in a lot of ways. (Not that I want to see him again, but Hollywood is very big on reuse and recycling)
And as far as Pip goes. Compare it to Howard the Duck.
/shrug. Howard was clearly a joke and homage. Pip has a lot of ties and storylines tied up with major characters in active film projects.
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Finally got to the pictures to see this. I thought it was.... ok. (and I thought Black Widow was pretty cool).
It certainly felt a different kind of MCU movie. Gemma and Kit on a mid-winter London park looked the most 'un-Marvel' Marvel Movie scene ever. More like a Richard Curtis romcom.
The 'getting the band back together' scenes were the best part of the movie. 'Pitch Meeting' had it right that a Disney+ TV show might have been better.
Spoiler:
I guess with all the Eternals on the Domo or kidnapped by the Celestials (except maybe Sprite? - does she still have her powers) they belong with 'space marvel' rather than [earth marvel] stories - only coming together for an end-of-phase climax.
Sprite's Pinocchio plot sorta came out of nowhere, it was obvious Ikaris was going to be a douche (although I didn't peg him as 'traitor'), Kingo as Bollywood star (after Ajak's 'go and be your own person' speech) was fun, and the wife and I thought the end title sequence was cool (had a Stargate vibe).
I have not read any of this thread, but I did just go see the movie. I know nothing about the Eternals or Celestials, or anything like that.
It is no GoTG, but it is a fine ensemble piece that does what it says on the tin. It is pretty to look at, and I think the character's are written just deep enough for you to get a feel for all of them and a simple motivation for each of them. With a cast this large, that is enough.
The movie moves along at a good pace, and the story is put together in a logical way. What unfolds in front of us makes sense and is logically consistent.
Overall, this one did not feel like a genre movie with a cape on it, like many Marvel movies do. This felt like an honest to goodness attempt at an ensemble Super-hero movie. Strangely, it is this very straight forward approach to supers that ultimately leaves the movie a bit lacking. It really needed some sort of genre trappings to give it the illusion of more than it is.
Ultimately, I liked that the Eternals/Deviant conflict only took place in pre-historic/archeological past. The final deviants are taken care of during the fall of the Aztec Empire. They also lean hard into the idea that super-heroes are just modern myths. There are some ideas to work with here, about the nature of myth, religion, and the circle of life. However, I do not think they are touched on quite enough to shine through the super-hero genre.
Ultimately, I would call it workman like and well-put together with the occasional flourish or sign of greatness, that never shows itself consistently. I enjoyed it, but I liked Shang-Chi better even if Eternals had better world building.
Not bad, and I could see these folks and the GOTG/Thor crossing paths at some point. Now I will go read the rest of the thread to learn how wrong I am about the film.
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So having just rewatched Infinity War because I was bored at work… was Thanos right? His comic version has origins and ties to the Eternals/Deviants, and the movie supports that with Eros showing up and calling himself Brother of Thanos. Mayhaps we come to find out his real motivation was decreasing the populations to prevent worlds from being destroyed via Emergence, as that requires certain levels of high population to trigger.
That would seem like the kind of thing they would need to say out loud, and given his tendency to be a wordy brat, I think he would have actually mentioned it.
Besides, it still runs into the same problem as the 'resource availability' argument- we've seriously done studies on major population loss (modeled on the Black Death recovery and Industrial age growth rates). If our population got cut in half, it would take only about a century or so (give or take a decade) to recover. (though obviously it would horrific and traumatic at the time)
So his solution would delay things, but the whole 'its done and can't be undone' stance (let alone that it actually fixes anything) is still absolute twaddle.
Amusingly, it also might accelerate things in some cases- if a world that happens to have a nascent Celestial incubating in it* has a successful recovery and gets an influx of refugees from neighboring systems (like in the Kree empire, not necessarily Earth), it could push past the population trigger even faster.
*presumably there aren't actually a lot of those.
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The infinity gauntlet could do ANYTHING. If Thanos's goal was to stop the celestials he could have made them turn to dust. given them another way to reproduce. Done their job for them and vastly increased the scale of the universe to include infinite resources.
Thanos is the mad titan because in his mind the only solution is death. It's not about fixing the problem. It's about being "right".
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Seems to be. Kill half of everything, restore them back exactly the same. Alternate Thanos seemed convinced he could just destroy and recreate the entire universe.
Yeah, Thanos’s solution, not the problem he perceives is his madness.
With the Infinity Gauntlet completed he could simply have magicked all existing resources on all existing planets to become infinitely and instantaneously replenishing.
One click, and everyone, universe wide, now lives in a world of utter abundance. Theoretically, that’s pretty much an end to war, as there’s no scarcity to drive desire and greed.
If no one is concerned where their next good meal or clean water is coming from, it’s gonna be much harder to create an argument for war. The removal of scarcity or other limitation of resources might make a helluva difference.
Though I genuinely look forward to other Dakkanauts pointing out my own madness in that, for it is from such things good and interesting discussion stems.
Anyways. Eternals. Watched it again today and appreciated it a lot more. Whilst I enjoyed it in the cinema, it’s “only tangentially related to the MCU” nature caught me somewhat off guard. Knowing to expect that left me to simply soak up the visuals and the plot.
It’s not perfect, but it’s enjoyable all the same.
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Anyways. Eternals. Watched it again today and appreciated it a lot more. Whilst I enjoyed it in the cinema, it’s “only tangentially related to the MCU” nature caught me somewhat off guard. Knowing to expect that left me to simply soak up the visuals and the plot.
It’s not perfect, but it’s enjoyable all the same.
Their nature would see to fit the 'Space Marvel' rather than 'Earth Marvel' so we might see them pop up in GotG Vol.3 - although that is a bit of a wait.
Anyways. Eternals. Watched it again today and appreciated it a lot more. Whilst I enjoyed it in the cinema, it’s “only tangentially related to the MCU” nature caught me somewhat off guard. Knowing to expect that left me to simply soak up the visuals and the plot.
It’s not perfect, but it’s enjoyable all the same.
Their nature would see to fit the 'Space Marvel' rather than 'Earth Marvel' so we might see them pop up in GotG Vol.3 - although that is a bit of a wait.
And of course Eros being the Purple Man of space
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yeah, Thanos’s solution, not the problem he perceives is his madness.
With the Infinity Gauntlet completed he could simply have magicked all existing resources on all existing planets to become infinitely and instantaneously replenishing.
One click, and everyone, universe wide, now lives in a world of utter abundance. Theoretically, that’s pretty much an end to war, as there’s no scarcity to drive desire and greed.
There were even lower tier solutions, like drastically increasing the empathy and responsibility of every sentient creature such that resources were conserved and shared equitably and populations managed themselves to their available resources. A bump in intellect would allow all sentient races to move into space where effectively infinite resources were available for population expansion.
Like killing off half the population at random would probably result in another third or more just straight up dying as the disruption of infrastructure causes societal collapse. You can't support the same level of infrastructure with half the population!
But I doubt an abundance of resources would put an end to war...a lot of the war in human history was driven by a desire for power or the pride of some ruler being offended.
But power comes from restricting resources, or at least controlling access to them.
Imagine if precious minerals are suddenly abundant. If fossil fuels were a sustainable resource, if not a sustainable source of fuel.
Right now? Britain could reopen the mines, because there’s still coal down there. Likewise the North Sea Oil Fields. If those seams/oil beds instantly replenished the goodies? Britain for one becomes self providing. The same with crops and food animals.
It would no longer matter who had all the gold, silver etc, because it would never run out.
The complete lack of scarcity would very likely end economics as we understand them.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: But power comes from restricting resources, or at least controlling access to them.
Imagine if precious minerals are suddenly abundant. If fossil fuels were a sustainable resource, if not a sustainable source of fuel.
Right now? Britain could reopen the mines, because there’s still coal down there. Likewise the North Sea Oil Fields. If those seams/oil beds instantly replenished the goodies? Britain for one becomes self providing. The same with crops and food animals.
It would no longer matter who had all the gold, silver etc, because it would never run out.
The complete lack of scarcity would very likely end economics as we understand them.
NFTs have taught me otherwise. People are willing to go to impressive lengths to invent scarcity for the purpose of exploiting one another.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Ah, but when the very basics are abundant? People can do what they like with their spare money/time.
Like fight over the non-basic things.
Keep in mind that the entirety of the Illiad revolves around who has one single, specific woman. There will always be things that are unique, and people will fight over them.
Abundance inspires decadence, which leads to callousness and ruin. The post-scarcity society falling apart due to its own indolence is a trope (the Silver Surfer's homeworld is an example).
That's why I suggested changing how sentient life thinks, because it's a long term solution.
Yeah, this kinda ties into same naievte that makes people who believe that somehow communism can actually work as intended in the real world. There's this bizarre idea that once everyone has all the wealth they need that we'll become an enlightened and pain-free society, even though it very easily ignores the core, often selfish aspects of the human condition and how we seek out conflict. Look at what people do when they play in open world sandbox games. Once you've basically done everything and built or accumulated all the stuff you can in the game, most people just start breaking or killing NPC's out of boredom. Without a clear or given focus or purpose to move towards that involves some kind of struggle, people will make up their own perceived conflicts to fight against.
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Anyways. Eternals. Watched it again today and appreciated it a lot more. Whilst I enjoyed it in the cinema, it’s “only tangentially related to the MCU” nature caught me somewhat off guard. Knowing to expect that left me to simply soak up the visuals and the plot.
It’s not perfect, but it’s enjoyable all the same.
Their nature would see to fit the 'Space Marvel' rather than 'Earth Marvel' so we might see them pop up in GotG Vol.3 - although that is a bit of a wait.
Definitely one of the weaker MCU films, just for the need to gloss over... pretty much everything to fit in the (still excessive) runtime.
The moral arguments between the characters deserve little more than a side-eye, and most of the characters amount to a super power with a single personality trait or feature. Including the lead characters, which doesn't help anything.
A couple of them (Phastos and Druig particularly, since they have more complex relationships and outlooks) might be more interesting in a tighter film, but I'm not sure what they'd do.
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