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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.
Since no I would say the original leak is made up.
Everything released today for Eldar counters what was "leaked". No antenna on rangers, they aren't very harlequinesque, nothing about the Autarch nor the Ranger Bikes.
May as well close the thread,.. or just argue things like "MADE UP SPACE ELVES IN A MADE UP UNIVERSE CAN'T FIRE MADE UP SNIPER RIFLES ON THE MOVE". O_o
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.
Since no I would say the original leak is made up.
Everything released today for Eldar counters what was "leaked". No antenna on rangers, they aren't very harlequinesque, nothing about the Autarch nor the Ranger Bikes.
May as well close the thread,.. or just argue things like "MADE UP SPACE ELVES IN A MADE UP UNIVERSE CAN'T FIRE MADE UP SNIPER RIFLES ON THE MOVE". O_o
Uh, the Ranger Jetbikes were leaked by two different sources by name....
For Proof:
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.
Since no I would say the original leak is made up.
Everything released today for Eldar counters what was "leaked". No antenna on rangers, they aren't very harlequinesque, nothing about the Autarch nor the Ranger Bikes.
To clarify for anyone confused; what you're referring to here is this post on r/eldar Reddit in November that is now almost certainly false.
The daily advent posts in r/Eldar during December are from a different source and are very likely to be accurate.
Did the lore change? I thought the Eldar were specifically made for war and spent every moment of their long life honing their craft and their skill on arts of war.
Hell, even some humans in real life can do amazing things.
If you've seen videos of people doing trick shots, that's humans with talent and practice getting that good.
Things like horseback archery are a thing too.
It is entirely possible to suspend your disbelief. Not sure why anyone is having any kind of serious pushback on this.
Old warsmith looks cooler to me, both in pose and in it being more of an "evil techmarine" and less of a "regular chaos marine with tentacles":
Spoiler:
The Chosen poses seem to be all "come at me bro" (feet planted as far away from the other as the base allows, and that's mostly it) save for a running one, but they will blend very well with the new chaos marines... mainly by being basically the same bodies as those. The DV ones which these substitute are cooler IMO:
Spoiler:
To me they look nice, but kind of uninspired.
I prefer the new chosen as I like ornate decorated armor more than the almost mutated melded look of the starter set ones. Ymmv. I can see why you like the older warpsmith though as he feels more Iron Warrior than the more Black Legion newer one even taking away the paint schemes.
Admech already have 'snipers' riding on giant servitor-powered canids. We're not breaking new ground here anymore.
In 40k 'sniper' is a catch all for models that ignore look out sir. Doesnt necessarily mean they have to be snipers in the sense that we know from our knowledge of our military.
The label doesnt necessarily mean they have to be far away taking a single precision pot shot, it can mean they ignore look out sir because they have heightened their composure and battle-sense to the point where they are able to pick out individual targets.
Look out sir is just a means of explaining why with bodies zipping here and there and all the distractions in the heat of battle a 'non-sniper' can only reliably target a whole unit rather than an indivudual.
There's a whole section in the lore on why and how the Admech Raiders remain accurate on their canid 'steeds' its not impossible for there to be an equally expansive reason why the most accurate aspect warriors in the most advance and militarist race in the universe are able to remain accurate perched on the back of a bike.
Octovol wrote: There's a whole section in the lore on why and how the Admech Raiders remain accurate on their canid 'steeds' its not impossible for there to be an equally expansive reason why the most accurate aspect warriors in the most advance and militarist race in the universe are able to remain accurate perched on the back of a bike.
...er, rangers aren't aspects. They're literally the craftworld eldars that noped all off of that.
Superhuman space elves with super advanced rifles and targeting aids in their helmets and rifles. I think it's easy enough to suspend disbelief.
The jetbike may even assist in some way by keeping a steady rate of acceleration as it glides across the ground and eliminating any bouncing around.
The armour of the user may be capable of going rigid and giving enough support to keep their aim from wavering.
Their hundreds of years and superhuman abilities may allow them to hold their lightweight Wraithbone Rifles and aim accurately without needing something to brace the gun on.
It's a game of myth, magic and aliens in space. Lets not get too bent out of shape about alien snipers on flying bikes
Space Wolves - Alpha Legion - Biel-Tan - Reikland - Lizardmen of Hexoatl - Slaaneshi Daemons
DivineVisitor wrote: Superhuman space elves with super advanced rifles and targeting aids in their helmets and rifles. I think it's easy enough to suspend disbelief.
I'm guessing most eldar would be insulted at being called just "superhuman".
DivineVisitor wrote: Superhuman space elves with super advanced rifles and targeting aids in their helmets and rifles. I think it's easy enough to suspend disbelief.
I'm guessing most eldar would be insulted at being called just "superhuman".
Superhumanoid?
Space Wolves - Alpha Legion - Biel-Tan - Reikland - Lizardmen of Hexoatl - Slaaneshi Daemons
warpedpig wrote:Would be better to just make a computer controlled sniping turret wouldn’t it? It’s a dumb idea.
If Eldar were T'au. I don't recall seeing a lot of Eldar computer technology on display. The closest we have is the Heavy Weapon platform of the Guardians, which needs a gunner.
So for anyone curious about the veracity of rumors, I tried to chase backwards the first person to mention "dual rider Ranger Jetbikes" which would appear to be a Reddit poster named Ok_Entrepreneur3004 who has been leaking things about Eldar for 5 months now.
Spoiler:
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:The scout jetbikes have two dudes on them a bit like the harlie bikes but the back dude has a sniper rifle
There are also new scouts too
(5 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Near the start of the year you'll get a chaos v eldar battle box which has all your rangers and jetbike rangers and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and a wraithlord so that's a great start too
(4 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Female Autarch Rangers Ranger jetbikes Warp Smith Chosen Forgefiend
These are all in a battle box like Jain zar drahzar
(3 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:If I was a betting man I'd say it's a ranger holding his rifle in one arm holding the "frisby" in the other
(2 months ago)
I'm not going to quote everything they posted but they certainly seem to be spot on so far, and their posts are also from before Valrak or the Reddit Discord rumors. They do however also directly tell someone to wait for one of the Discord post days, so it's likely they're also partially behind that.
I did notice that there were additional things they posted that didn't get referenced in the Discord rumors:
GaroRobe wrote: Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:
"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."
Also:
I mean this forum is a pillar of salt infested by the far right. What's there to be that fond of?
Olthannon wrote: I think part of the problem is people just don't think GW don't have it in them to do something this good. The Eldar need this and it would be brilliant for the faction. I'd pay a delicious wad of cashino for a taste of it.
I think the smart thing to do would be to do something with a different Craftworld now that Biel-Tan is buggered.
I know not being the very best faction in the game for once is true suffering for Eldar players, but, hey, GW got you, they made drukhari near unstoppable.
And don't worry, I'm sure eldar will be even more overpowered when they finally release too.
Albertorius wrote: Seeing how probable any of this is of actually being true, I wouldn't be too optimistic anyway ^^
I get it. GW has burned Eldar players too many times that it's hard to accept any positivity. GW surely owes a lot of people some therapy. But, I mean really? The rumour engine at the moment is showing an Eldar model EVERY DAY, they're all Eldar models! Is it really so hard to believe there's a big revamp on the way? The specifics might be a bit hazy, but the presence of hard evidence should be enough to afford us a little bit of optimism? Right? lol
I have a friend thats going to go bonkers if they actually release fully functional Corsairs, like he has an entire army of them from back in the day. Personally i'm excited for new Warp Spiders, new Scorpions and all the crazy shenanegans the new HQs seem to have floating about them. LIke most people I collected Eldar when I was still at school, most of those models are still around some 20 odd years later so for them to get a reboot is the most exciting thing to happen to 40k in a long time.
Even better if it comes with some actual supporting narrative for the rework. Itd be good to have some closure/progression on the whole Slaanesh is consuming our souls forever plotline thats literally been the only thing to define Eldar for 25 years. Vive le optimism!
Burned eldar players?
Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.
Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.
I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.
warpedpig wrote: Will Ghost Axes go to flat D3 damage ? Please god.
As a custodes player, I think I might lose my mind if eldar axes go to 3 damage
warpedpig wrote: The problem is to make this 1 unit not suck balls you have to dedicate stratagems and psychic support to them. What if your psychic powers fail? What if you need to use powers for another unit? Eldar just has so many things that have to go right for their units to be on par with other factions units. 9vs 5 terminators shouldn’t last nearly 3 full turns. Maybe 5v5. But 9v5. They suck.
I mean, that's just modern 40k. A lot of units only are relevant because of strategems.
Vovin wrote: People complain about lots of stupid stuff. That doesn't mean that it is justified. Craftworlds are still supposed to be glasscannons, albeit less so than Drukhari and Harlequins. The lethality may be a general problem, but you can't fix it by overdoing the defensive buffs on one of the more fragile races.
But this is more of a game design discussion. My main point is that this whole "leak" reeks of wishlisting. The first half of this calendar was already fishy as hell. The hoaxer didn't account for the reaper launcher for example. I posted a timeline of the Discord chat a while back in this thread that shows how implausible the whole inception of this was. Then the hoaxer contradicted himself directly by both claiming that the leak comes from a playtester and simultaneously that it is from the reliable source who posted the roadmap.
Drukhari that is currently styling over the meta off the backs of tough -1d models.
Like, gak man, GW is literally pissing -1d down on the game (and devaluing anything damage 2 hardcore)
Grimskul wrote: Lol, if the rumours are true regarding Wave Serpents have both built in Transhuman and a 5++ save, I almost guarantee you that GW will not price them correctly similar to how they goofed with Raider costs for the DE initial release. We'll be seeing Wave Serpent supremacy unseen since the great days of 4th ed Eldar.
"We made raiders OP you say? Well wait til you get a load of these"
warpedpig wrote: It’s going to be nice when the codex comes out and it is overpowered and we are just absolutely murdering everyone. Until they Tone it back down lol.
Like Eldar always are?
As someone not playing eldar, no, this is never fun to deal with for anyone but the tryhard eldar players. Even normal eldar players don't love it
Grimskul wrote: Lol, if the rumours are true regarding Wave Serpents have both built in Transhuman and a 5++ save, I almost guarantee you that GW will not price them correctly similar to how they goofed with Raider costs for the DE initial release. We'll be seeing Wave Serpent supremacy unseen since the great days of 4th ed Eldar.
Well, at least with Wave Serpents they have other units to be used as a baseline for points; namely Quantum Shielded Necron vehicles. Potentially. Obviously those have more wounds and can self-heal which GW over-prioritizes but I can't see Wave Serpents getting any cheaper than they are currently. I'd imagine the baseline cost wouldn't really go lower than its current 130 and if the weapon leaks are true then a few of the weapon options have the potential to go up.
GaroRobe wrote: Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:
"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."
Also:
I mean this forum is a pillar of salt infested by the far right. What's there to be that fond of?
Olthannon wrote: I think part of the problem is people just don't think GW don't have it in them to do something this good. The Eldar need this and it would be brilliant for the faction. I'd pay a delicious wad of cashino for a taste of it.
I think the smart thing to do would be to do something with a different Craftworld now that Biel-Tan is buggered.
I know not being the very best faction in the game for once is true suffering for Eldar players, but, hey, GW got you, they made drukhari near unstoppable.
And don't worry, I'm sure eldar will be even more overpowered when they finally release too.
Albertorius wrote: Seeing how probable any of this is of actually being true, I wouldn't be too optimistic anyway ^^
I get it. GW has burned Eldar players too many times that it's hard to accept any positivity. GW surely owes a lot of people some therapy. But, I mean really? The rumour engine at the moment is showing an Eldar model EVERY DAY, they're all Eldar models! Is it really so hard to believe there's a big revamp on the way? The specifics might be a bit hazy, but the presence of hard evidence should be enough to afford us a little bit of optimism? Right? lol
I have a friend thats going to go bonkers if they actually release fully functional Corsairs, like he has an entire army of them from back in the day. Personally i'm excited for new Warp Spiders, new Scorpions and all the crazy shenanegans the new HQs seem to have floating about them. LIke most people I collected Eldar when I was still at school, most of those models are still around some 20 odd years later so for them to get a reboot is the most exciting thing to happen to 40k in a long time.
Even better if it comes with some actual supporting narrative for the rework. Itd be good to have some closure/progression on the whole Slaanesh is consuming our souls forever plotline thats literally been the only thing to define Eldar for 25 years. Vive le optimism!
Burned eldar players?
Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.
Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.
I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.
warpedpig wrote: Will Ghost Axes go to flat D3 damage ? Please god.
As a custodes player, I think I might lose my mind if eldar axes go to 3 damage
warpedpig wrote: The problem is to make this 1 unit not suck balls you have to dedicate stratagems and psychic support to them. What if your psychic powers fail? What if you need to use powers for another unit? Eldar just has so many things that have to go right for their units to be on par with other factions units. 9vs 5 terminators shouldn’t last nearly 3 full turns. Maybe 5v5. But 9v5. They suck.
I mean, that's just modern 40k. A lot of units only are relevant because of strategems.
Vovin wrote: People complain about lots of stupid stuff. That doesn't mean that it is justified. Craftworlds are still supposed to be glasscannons, albeit less so than Drukhari and Harlequins. The lethality may be a general problem, but you can't fix it by overdoing the defensive buffs on one of the more fragile races.
But this is more of a game design discussion. My main point is that this whole "leak" reeks of wishlisting. The first half of this calendar was already fishy as hell. The hoaxer didn't account for the reaper launcher for example. I posted a timeline of the Discord chat a while back in this thread that shows how implausible the whole inception of this was. Then the hoaxer contradicted himself directly by both claiming that the leak comes from a playtester and simultaneously that it is from the reliable source who posted the roadmap.
Drukhari that is currently styling over the meta off the backs of tough -1d models.
Like, gak man, GW is literally pissing -1d down on the game (and devaluing anything damage 2 hardcore)
Grimskul wrote: Lol, if the rumours are true regarding Wave Serpents have both built in Transhuman and a 5++ save, I almost guarantee you that GW will not price them correctly similar to how they goofed with Raider costs for the DE initial release. We'll be seeing Wave Serpent supremacy unseen since the great days of 4th ed Eldar.
"We made raiders OP you say? Well wait til you get a load of these"
warpedpig wrote: It’s going to be nice when the codex comes out and it is overpowered and we are just absolutely murdering everyone. Until they Tone it back down lol.
Like Eldar always are?
As someone not playing eldar, no, this is never fun to deal with for anyone but the tryhard eldar players. Even normal eldar players don't love it
> Implying the frustration of the Elder fanbase comes entirely from not being always the top army, and not the fact half of their range is made out of 30 years old "fine"cast sculpts and they have gotten very little support for the past decade
Holy projection Strawman!
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.
Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.
I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.
Having 3 OP options that are spammed ad nauseam on "the meta" is not what many players (or well, at least me) want.
I want to be able to use the stuff in the codex outside the OP units and not shoot myself in the foot while doing it. I don't want to "dominate". I want to not handicap myself.
Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.
Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.
I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.
Having 3 OP options that are spammed ad nauseam on "the meta" is not what many players (or well, at least me) want.
I want to be able to use the stuff in the codex outside the OP units and not shoot myself in the foot while doing it. I don't want to "dominate". I want to not handicap myself.
And then there's also the fact most Craftworld infantry models are both ancient and resin.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
Jack Flask wrote: So for anyone curious about the veracity of rumors, I tried to chase backwards the first person to mention "dual rider Ranger Jetbikes" which would appear to be a Reddit poster named Ok_Entrepreneur3004 who has been leaking things about Eldar for 5 months now.
Spoiler:
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:The scout jetbikes have two dudes on them a bit like the harlie bikes but the back dude has a sniper rifle
There are also new scouts too
(5 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Near the start of the year you'll get a chaos v eldar battle box which has all your rangers and jetbike rangers and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and a wraithlord so that's a great start too
(4 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Female Autarch Rangers Ranger jetbikes Warp Smith Chosen Forgefiend
These are all in a battle box like Jain zar drahzar
(3 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:If I was a betting man I'd say it's a ranger holding his rifle in one arm holding the "frisby" in the other
(2 months ago)
I'm not going to quote everything they posted but they certainly seem to be spot on so far, and their posts are also from before Valrak or the Reddit Discord rumors. They do however also directly tell someone to wait for one of the Discord post days, so it's likely they're also partially behind that.
I did notice that there were additional things they posted that didn't get referenced in the Discord rumors:
Thanks for compiling. I still visit dakka and assumed all the rumors were copied over to dakka. I've been on that Discord and the exact models from the Eldar v Chaos boxset was leaked months ago. There has been enough data leaked from there at this point I'm comfortable enough to know what I can purchase and what models will be updated and should hold off for.
No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby.
Jack Flask wrote: So for anyone curious about the veracity of rumors, I tried to chase backwards the first person to mention "dual rider Ranger Jetbikes" which would appear to be a Reddit poster named Ok_Entrepreneur3004 who has been leaking things about Eldar for 5 months now.
Spoiler:
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:The scout jetbikes have two dudes on them a bit like the harlie bikes but the back dude has a sniper rifle
There are also new scouts too
(5 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Near the start of the year you'll get a chaos v eldar battle box which has all your rangers and jetbike rangers and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and a wraithlord so that's a great start too
(4 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Female Autarch Rangers Ranger jetbikes Warp Smith Chosen Forgefiend
[spoiler]These are all in a battle box like Jain zar drahzar
(3 months ago)
Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:If I was a betting man I'd say it's a ranger holding his rifle in one arm holding the "frisby" in the other
(2 months ago)
I'm not going to quote everything they posted but they certainly seem to be spot on so far, and their posts are also from before Valrak or the Reddit Discord rumors. They do however also directly tell someone to wait for one of the Discord post days, so it's likely they're also partially behind that.
I did notice that there were additional things they posted that didn't get referenced in the Discord rumors:
Cheers for all that. Really hopeful for corsairs - sounds like they get their own set rather than an upgrade for guardians. Really hoping they are more flamboyant - maybe with the punk/goth hair of early eldar sculpts [and yes I know DE got them but Corsairs sit between the craft worlds and DE]. I like the sound of the specialists they have access to as well. Have a feeling they will be in the next Killteam set- GW could then spread out the releases through box sets as well as a release alongside codex and an eldar-tastic start to the year. With all these rules leaks I'm expecting the Eldar release to be close, probably before Chaos.
The rangers are gorgeous- hoping you can build then differently, initially wasn't sure about the bikes but they are well cool and the Autarch kit sounds amazing with the options and the compatability with the existing kit. Thinking the warp jump pack will be an option- possibly Yriel as the pose is similar but do they dual kit characters these days? Could be a new thing I suppose.
Yeah, fits the reddit rumour - upgraded guardians with a warlock and optional ranger. Rather happy they didn't continue the Vespid cosplayer style of the FW Corsair kit, never really liked that.
Yes definitely fits the description with a warlock, ranger and the other specialists. Thought it was cool when they first showed it and assumed it was rangers..
except the vanes on the back that Rangers don't have
except that it's Kill Team art where the corsair kit is rumoured to be featured
except it's being led by someone definitely not a Ranger
except the vanes on the back that Rangers don't have
That we've seen so far, yes.
except that it's Kill Team art where the corsair kit is rumoured to be featured
Kill team art from the Kill Team Core book on pages 20 and 21. Also a promotional art card that came with Kill Team Octarius(there was a set of 5).
All of which means it was publicly available art before the rumors about Corsairs started.
except it's being led by someone definitely not a Ranger
Or it's escorting someone definitely not a Ranger...
Real-talk, there's a lot of stuff in the Core Book that's been more/less accurate. They namedropped the Chalnath warzone before any of the rumors started up about that one and talked about Pathfinder Kill Teams with "new wargear" even.
maybe artistic license, maybe not
Or it's KT upgrade stuff.
There's a whole big blurb about Mechanicus and Alaitoc fighting on a Maiden World, with Kill-Teams comprised of "rangers and aspect warriors". There's another big ol' blurb about another world where Harlequins are dealing with a Rogue Trader's landing force led by an Inquisitor.
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