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Love them. Urge to collect the Biel-tan army I've always wanted to do is rising. This is going to be an expensive year.

You still can get the old Guardian Squad, in contrast to the Rangers, so it seems like this particular relase still has a bit to go. I'm betting it's also going to be in the obviously incoming Combat Patrol box, perhaps together with the new Exarch.

Wraithknight with alternate bits would be pretty cool.

JWBS wrote:
Wraithknight with alternate bits would be pretty cool.

That's incredibly doubtful. The WK is still a relatively new kit and doesn't have the same design issues that other, older kits have.
What I'd prefer is for the WK to have different opinions in-game.
Like being able to take a HWC AND the Sheild. Or a HWC and Suncannon, or Suncannon & Sword.
Ya know, the same versatility as the Imperial Knights.

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Yeah but the WK has just one model whereas the IK and the CK have like a dozen different sku (and the CK is still very new compared to the WK, and also lacks the Imperium privilege that the IK gets). I don't think the WK will get new stuff, I think the Avatar will be the big release and would be surprised if there is another. Would still be cool though.

makes you wonder why the Eldar don't just strap a serpent scale onto everything...

Seems that Eldar platforms only have one controller now.

Any price leaks?

 privateer4hire wrote:
Any price leaks?

Not yet, especially considering these are 2-3 months out.

Between likely rumours and GW info, so far we're looking at:

Avatar
Autarch
Phoenix Lord: Baharroth
Phoenix Lord: Maugan Ra
Guardians / Corsairs (likely two separate boxes but with shared sprues for the bodies)
Shining Spears
Swooping Hawks
Warp Spiders
Rangers
Shroud Runners

That's 7+ main kits and 3 small character models. With Maugan Ra all-but-confirmed I'd be surprised not to see new Dark Reapers; and we will likely get other characters. Phoenix Lords such as Asurmen or a new warp spider one are obvious choices.

In terms of new sprues, this is looking at least on par with last year's Orks and could well be the biggest single-faction 40k release since the start of the edition.

I wonder if the Storm Guardian weapons will differ in any way, given that they've included chainswords and power swords.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Any price leaks?

Probably $75 usd

*Thought I was quoting the responder. Weird

Looking at the new range of Eldar models and the rumours, I have to wonder if it's even worth my sticking with Dark Eldar.

GW clearly have no intention of supporting Dark Eldar in any way. And while Ynnari and Harlequins are apparently being rolled into Craftworlds to gain all the associated benefits, Dark Eldar are just stuck on their own with their pathetic excuse for a codex and its dwindling list of units.

I guess I'll wait to see the book but at this point I'm seriously struggling to think of any reason to stick with Dark Eldar.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the Storm Guardian weapons will differ in any way, given that they've included chainswords and power swords.

I suspect those are Aeldari Blades rather than power swords since that's what the current datasheet calls them.

 alextroy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if the Storm Guardian weapons will differ in any way, given that they've included chainswords and power swords.

I suspect those are Aeldari Blades rather than power swords since that's what the current datasheet calls them.

Looking at the pics, they seem to have power node things on the blades. But that same thought did occur to me.

At one point, they could take power swords, might be a return to that. And give them some teeth in CC.

It will also be interesting to see if they change the minimum squad size. That will probably depend on how the box builds. Might go from 8 to 10.

Now that we get some real plastics, mixing kits seems a lot easier. Even if they don’t make plastic Fire Dragons, stick the fusion gun arms on a Dire Avenger, give him a red/orange paint job, and go melt some tanks.

 vipoid wrote:
Looking at the new range of Eldar models and the rumours, I have to wonder if it's even worth my sticking with Dark Eldar.

GW clearly have no intention of supporting Dark Eldar in any way. And while Ynnari and Harlequins are apparently being rolled into Craftworlds to gain all the associated benefits, Dark Eldar are just stuck on their own with their pathetic excuse for a codex and its dwindling list of units.

That's one phenomenal bait post, well done

 vipoid wrote:
Looking at the new range of Eldar models and the rumours, I have to wonder if it's even worth my sticking with Dark Eldar.

GW clearly have no intention of supporting Dark Eldar in any way. And while Ynnari and Harlequins are apparently being rolled into Craftworlds to gain all the associated benefits, Dark Eldar are just stuck on their own with their pathetic excuse for a codex and its dwindling list of units.

I guess I'll wait to see the book but at this point I'm seriously struggling to think of any reason to stick with Dark Eldar.

I mean the same could had been said about Craftworld eldar, a line with mostly 20 year old resin models as their main line troops and infantry 2 months early.

And this comes after extensive revamps of the Orks and Necron lines , the other two big xenos factions. So maybe, just maybe... GW is doing stuff at a reasonable pace, but we have just too many factions?

 vipoid wrote:
Looking at the new range of Eldar models and the rumours, I have to wonder if it's even worth my sticking with Dark Eldar.

GW clearly have no intention of supporting Dark Eldar in any way. And while Ynnari and Harlequins are apparently being rolled into Craftworlds to gain all the associated benefits, Dark Eldar are just stuck on their own with their pathetic excuse for a codex and its dwindling list of units.

I guess I'll wait to see the book but at this point I'm seriously struggling to think of any reason to stick with Dark Eldar.

Burn them on youtube

 xttz wrote:

Guardians / Corsairs (likely two separate boxes but with shared sprues for the bodies)

It seems pretty likely they are completely separate.

The Discord rumor said "The Corsair team is essentially upgraded guardians unit [...]" but that's in reference to the general feel/loadout of the unit, not it's actual kit.

The so far correct Reddit leaker I linked before described what sounds like a full kit that can be built either as a Troop or Elite unit, with at least 4 Corsair specialist upgrades (Sgt, Warlock, Ranger, and ???)

So I doubt all of that can be packed on top of the Guardian body sculpts.

 vipoid wrote:
GW clearly have no intention of supporting Dark Eldar in any way.

That's a little melodramatic, don't'cha think?

 vipoid wrote:
Looking at the new range of Eldar models and the rumours, I have to wonder if it's even worth my sticking with Dark Eldar.

GW clearly have no intention of supporting Dark Eldar in any way. And while Ynnari and Harlequins are apparently being rolled into Craftworlds to gain all the associated benefits, Dark Eldar are just stuck on their own with their pathetic excuse for a codex and its dwindling list of units.

I guess I'll wait to see the book but at this point I'm seriously struggling to think of any reason to stick with Dark Eldar.

Unlike the Eldar, the majority of the Dark Eldar hold up extremely well. The grotesque is the only kit I'd call genuinely bad and the Mandrakes are the only whole unit that is stuck in resin. The new Incubi weren't that long ago and were a fantastic kit.

On the Eldar side I'm genuinely excited to see what else is coming. I'm very curious to see what the rumoured Corsair kit is like and I can't wait to see the new avatar. The last Eldar kit I bought and painted was this Wraithlord about 15 years ago. It might be time to jump back in.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
GW clearly have no intention of supporting Dark Eldar in any way.

That's a little melodramatic, don't'cha think?

Tell you what, let's play a game - you list new units (actually new units, not re-sculpts) that Dark Eldar have received in the last 10 years and I'll list units that have been removed from their codex in the same period.

Let's see who runs out first.

Chikout wrote:
Unlike the Eldar, the majority of the Dark Eldar hold up extremely well. The grotesque is the only kit I'd call genuinely bad and the Mandrakes are the only whole unit that is stuck in resin. The new Incubi weren't that long ago and were a fantastic kit.

I agree. I like the current Dark Eldar models. I just wish there were more of them. Hell, I'd be happy having a bunch more units with no models. It would give me some new conversion projects to work on.

Instead, the DE codex grows smaller with each edition - swathes of units are removed and never replaced, racks of wargear are deleted, so that all we have left is three boring HQs that all do the exact same bloody thing.

Can you blame me for seriously considering switching to an army that might actually gain units in a new codex, rather than losing them?

 vipoid wrote:
Tell you what, let's play a game - you list new units (actually new units, not re-sculpts) that Dark Eldar have received in the last 10 years and I'll list units that have been removed from their codex in the same period.

Let's see who runs out first.

I am well aware of what options their various HQs have lost over the years, but to say that GW has no interest in supporting DE when they are widely seen as having the most powerful (or one of the most powerful) Codices in the entire game right now is melodramatic.

Yes, they technically didn't even get a "Codex + 1 Model" release in 9th, as Lilith came out way before their book did, meaning they've had zero model support this edition, but they also received one of the best top-to-bottom miniature line refreshes that GW has ever done compared to the absolute drek they had in 3rd. Is it bad that their main HQ is basically hugging himself and has no options? Yes. Is it stupid that they still haven't done Grotesques in an Ogryn-style plastic 3 pack? Of course. Should they do a "Beastmaster" box that has the guy on the board, and a bunch of critters, all in plastic? Absolutely.

But to say that they have no interest in supporting them? Tyranids haven't received a new model in over 7 years. I would never suggest that GW has abandoned them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Tell you what, let's play a game - you list new units (actually new units, not re-sculpts) that Dark Eldar have received in the last 10 years and I'll list units that have been removed from their codex in the same period.

Let's see who runs out first.

I am well aware of what options their various HQs have lost over the years, but to say that GW has no interest in supporting DE when they are widely seen as having the most powerful (or one of the most powerful) Codices in the entire game right now is melodramatic.

Yes, they technically didn't even get a "Codex + 1 Model" release in 9th, as Lilith came out way before their book did, meaning they've had zero model support this edition, but they also received one of the best top-to-bottom miniature line refreshes that GW has ever done compared to the absolute drek they had in 3rd. Is it bad that their main HQ is basically hugging himself and has no options? Yes. Is it stupid that they still haven't done Grotesques in an Ogryn-style plastic 3 pack? Of course. Should they do a "Beastmaster" box that has the guy on the board, and a bunch of critters, all in plastic? Absolutely.

But to say that they have no interest in supporting them? Tyranids haven't received a new model in over 7 years. I would never suggest that GW has abandoned them.

Power=/=care.

I can make Tau, with their current rules, so completely and utterly OP that they'd have a damn-near 100% win rate against any other Dex, and I can do it in this post.

Set all models' points costs to 1.
Set any other points cost to 0.

Dark Eldar weren't and aren't powerful because they have interesting, well-thought-out rules that synergize well in powerful ways. They're powerful because they're good at what this edition wants, and are generally on the cheap side.

And here's proof they care: A 1-click zero discount DE bundle that they just added.



They've added one for the Sisters as well.

 Jack Flask wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Guardians / Corsairs (likely two separate boxes but with shared sprues for the bodies)

It seems pretty likely they are completely separate.

The Discord rumor said "The Corsair team is essentially upgraded guardians unit [...]" but that's in reference to the general feel/loadout of the unit, not it's actual kit.

The so far correct Reddit leaker I linked before described what sounds like a full kit that can be built either as a Troop or Elite unit, with at least 4 Corsair specialist upgrades (Sgt, Warlock, Ranger, and ???)

So I doubt all of that can be packed on top of the Guardian body sculpts.

Could be that Corsairs are going to be a Kill Team branded release compatible with 40k, like Kommandoes or the Novitiate sisters.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Jack Flask wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Guardians / Corsairs (likely two separate boxes but with shared sprues for the bodies)

It seems pretty likely they are completely separate.

The Discord rumor said "The Corsair team is essentially upgraded guardians unit [...]" but that's in reference to the general feel/loadout of the unit, not it's actual kit.

The so far correct Reddit leaker I linked before described what sounds like a full kit that can be built either as a Troop or Elite unit, with at least 4 Corsair specialist upgrades (Sgt, Warlock, Ranger, and ???)

So I doubt all of that can be packed on top of the Guardian body sculpts.

Could be that Corsairs are going to be a Kill Team branded release compatible with 40k, like Kommandoes or the Novitiate sisters.

I thought that's what one of the rumors said, that a Corsair KT is coming and that's the basis for the unit in the dex.

No Tyranids in 7 years? No Dark Eldar in 10?

Damn, I could only WISH my World Eaters models were that young.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Damn, I could only WISH my World Eaters models were that young.

World Eaters are a Chapter within Codex Chaos, and Codex Chaos has had tons of releases in recent years, all of which are usable in World Eater armies. Khorne Berzerkers are a specific model kit that hasn't been updated. That's not the same as an army literally receiving no new models for more than half a decade.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Damn, I could only WISH my World Eaters models were that young.

World Eaters are a Chapter within Codex Chaos, and Codex Chaos has had tons of releases in recent years, all of which are usable in World Eater armies. Khorne Berzerkers are a specific model kit that hasn't been updated. That's not the same as an army literally receiving no new models for more than half a decade.

Be fair, zerkers are the oldest core infantry in production, but they're also likely to get replaced in the next year or so according to rumours.

Chaos marines aren't in as bad a place as many factions thanks to the last 2 years and this year should mostly drag them back up to modern standards. Eldar do need more and I dare say it'll be a staggered refresh.