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Tiberius501 wrote: Are Banshees finally worth using? S4 and +1 or wound on the charge with 3(?) attacks seems pretty decent.
EDIT: Also, are Warlocks getting new models at all? There’s the rumour they’re getting a unit entry for up to, like, 9 dudes. Seems weird when there’s only a set of like 3 metal models, though I guess that does add up.
Seer Council is mainly made up of Warlocks from what I remember.
Count me amongst those tucking into a well deserved slice of humble pie, to go with the egg on my face!
Thank you for your attitude ! It goes a long way into making healthy online spaces and god knows it's hard to admit when you were wrong, especially online !
As for the rumours. Wow, some things do look strong. And maybe in quite a frustrating way ? Don't know what to think about it...
tneva82 wrote: Or the leaker didn't have playtest version and wasn't playtester to begin with and it was THAT part that was lie. Guess to protect his identity or source?
I'm starting to think Battle Focus might retain the "except Heavy weapons" part of its current rule.
Like the rule might be: "Models with this rule that have not Advanced this turn may move d6" after firing their weapons (except Heavy weapons)."
If so, that would go a long way toward reducing 7th ed style Bikers spamming Scatter lasers or Shuricannon fire. Could be why Shuricannons are now Heavy instead of Assault (as confirmed by the WK datasheet)
I kinda hope that's the case. It would also prevent Dark Reaper from abusing BF.
So, let's see. Eldari have super advanced holofields backed by psychic powers that allow them to dodge any incoming fire. Or are a literal god disintegrating anything that dares to touch them. Unless it's a chunk of iron thrown in a straight line, then none of this works. Broken gak, meet even more broken gak
Heavy wraithcannon, titan scale gun that literally sends half of the target into the warp, somehow deals less damage than a first sized piece of scrap. Oh, and less AP to boot (and no ignoring ++) because FRAK YOU, having a cybernetic finger or first aid kit now means you're warp- (but not thrown stone-) proof. Anyone willing to tell me how this idiocy makes any sense whatsoever?
Meanwhile, heavy AT guns of SM and Necron vehicles cry in corner because neither book managed to catch the wave of broken cheese change of design direction. Especially Necron doom X guns that used to be better than both of the above. Bravo
H.B.M.C. wrote: Sisters: When you get a Miracle Dice, roll a D6 and keep it to one side. Then, when you wish to use them, simply substitute a dice with the miracle dice result.
Eldar: At the start of each battle round, roll six D6! Then, you get to keep some, depending on the size of the battle! (...)
I like how the badly scaling mechanic of miracle dice was #1 complaint of Sister players for years, then, as soon as GW fixes it and introduces similar mechanic that attempts to take it into account, they get bashed for it being somehow 'too complicated'. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad...
Gert wrote: So Craftworlds, Harlequins and Ynarri are all in the same book. Good. Makes way more sense than a 5 unit Codex and a WD supplement.
Just wondering how that's going to happen with the Harlequins, as they seem to be their own faction as much as Drukhari with their own detachments and lore.
Not opposed to it though if it means two codices in one plus the Ynnari rules.
Gert wrote: So Craftworlds, Harlequins and Ynarri are all in the same book. Good. Makes way more sense than a 5 unit Codex and a WD supplement.
Just wondering how that's going to happen with the Harlequins, as they seem to be their own faction as much as Drukhari with their own detachments and lore.
Not opposed to it though if it means two codices in one plus the Ynnari rules.
To be fair, harlis have been dancing in and out of the main eldar codex all their lives.
Stand alone RT list
Part of the 2nd ed codex.
Dropped in the 3rd book.
Added back as a unit at some point
Spun out into their own book
Wrapped back in.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Sisters: When you get a Miracle Dice, roll a D6 and keep it to one side. Then, when you wish to use them, simply substitute a dice with the miracle dice result.
Eldar: At the start of each battle round, roll six D6! Then, you get to keep some, depending on the size of the battle! (...)
I like how the badly scaling mechanic of miracle dice was #1 complaint of Sister players for years, then, as soon as GW fixes it and introduces similar mechanic that attempts to take it into account, they get bashed for it being somehow 'too complicated'. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad...
I'm not competent in the details to be able to comment specifically on these instances, but in general making a game mechanic really complicated does not necessarily equal "fixing it"
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Dudeface wrote: Well, at least they had the common sense not to make the ynncarne untargetable given its sheer screw you melee power.
Can't see it on those pics but here's the text pulled out via B&C:
Yncarne
Wounds M WSBS S T W A LdSv 7+ wounds 12" 2 2 7 7 12 6 10 3+
4-6 9 2 2 6 7 NA 5 10 3+
1-3 6 2 2 5 7 NA 4 10 3+
Swirling void energy | 6", Assault D6, S7, -2AP, D1 | Each time an attach is made with this weapon, the attack automatically hits its target
Sword of Souls (two profiles)
| Piercing Strikes | S+4, -4AP, Dd3+3 | No invun saves can be made against this profile
| Sweeping Blow | S User, -4AP, D1 | Make 2 attacks instead of 1
Abilities
4++ and Halves Damage
Ynnari within 12" ignore modifiers for combat attrition
During deployment, you can set up this model in waiting instead of setting it up on the battlefield. If you do this, then when another unit is destroyed, before removing the last model in that unit, you can set this model up within 1" of that model. If this model is on the battlefield when another unit is destroyed, before removing the last model in that unit, you can remove this model from the battlefield and set it up again within 1" of that model. When this/that model is set up in either of theses ways, it cannot be set up within Engagement range of any enemy models and until the end of the turn, it is not eligible to declare a charge or perform a heroic intervention. (Thanks Garishtech for the transcribe)
Explodes
Takes two whole Hammerhead Railguns to kill. So broken!
2022/01/07 15:16:08
Subject: Craftworld rumours (Guardians on page 26)
H.B.M.C. wrote: Sisters: When you get a Miracle Dice, roll a D6 and keep it to one side. Then, when you wish to use them, simply substitute a dice with the miracle dice result.
Eldar: At the start of each battle round, roll six D6! Then, you get to keep some, depending on the size of the battle! Then, manipulate dice rolls with these dice, but if you haven't used them, and the ones you kept from this turn's allotment match the numbers on this chart, then for specific types of Tests you can make them natural 6's and...
Oh my God GW... why do you do this???
But HBMC, how else can GW ensure that Eldar's mechanic is super special and unique and completely different from Miracle Dice?
I mean, where would we be if factions started sharing comparable rules? That way lies madness and, worse still, USRs!
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
I am liking what I see right now. Not sure if I'm thrilled with my non magnetized suncannon/scattershield wraithknight, but I may just buy a second anyway and magnetize it. In friendly games i can probably just count the suncannon as heavy wraithcannon sometimes anyway, it's not like my buddies know what either looks like...it's just a long bloody gun!
The heavy wraithcannon damage is really good, it's the railgun that is super dumb. Ignoring invulns with that kind of damage is just plain stupidity, but Tau do need help in 9th so will reserve judgement until I see overall strength of codex.
Strands of fate dice seems fine to me, kinda like the way it works.
had no idea what the keyword anhrathe was, so had to look it up. Pretty much confirms Corsairs too then, which is sweet.
Since I also play harlequins, I really hope the excellent changes they put in with the WD article (which was better than many codex supplements in 8th) aren't removed, leaving harlies as a sideshow army.
man, I really need to finish painting my sisters project because I know when this hits, I'm going to be all in with rejuvenating my Eldar army.
Argive wrote: How do people still have potato cameras..
Its intentionally blurred. These are screenshots from playtest pdfs rather than photographs, the pages have hidden watermarks and code markings, etc. to identify the source of the document if its leaked.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
tneva82 wrote: # of codexes is irrelevant for when edition changes since gw isn't obligated to update codexes before next ed and rarely does
I think the point is the opposite. If GW updates all the Codices swiftly, the next logical step is to update the edition. They can't keep the same rules around for too long, otherwise people won't keep buying models.
Count me amongst those tucking into a well deserved slice of humble pie, to go with the egg on my face!
It's pretty easy to tell when rumours/leaks are legit nowadays because the intermediaries who bring them are much better at verifying them. The Advent Calendar leaks were only released because the discord server owner had received other information from the leaker that turned out to be true beforehand. Valrak too has ways to verify who he is getting his information from. There's a leaker on the r/Eldar subreddit who is now being taken seriously because he posted about ALL of this stuff like 5 months ago, including naming the Shroud Runners. The Advent Leaks were also verified by several other youtubers who essentially said the majority of it was true, or matched up with stuff they'd seen/been able to verify.
If it's just some random dude or Faeit or obvious photoshop filters to make it look like a phone cam pic then yeah, take it with a huge grain of salt. But for the past 2-3 years we've had consistent leaks and rumours from very reliable sources and everything about the Advent leak pointed to it being completely legit.
Nazrak wrote: If they'e folded Harlequins back in, I'll be delighted.
I'm just confused about it.
I mean... I like fewer books and fewer teeny-tiny subfactions.
But not too long ago, Harlies were in both Craftworlds and Dark Eldar.
Then they got their own book and weren't in either (despite working with both, fluffwise and on the table)
Now they're... not in Dark Eldar, but will be in Craftworlds. That's just... gakky.
Its like they didn't plan out the edition and what they were going to do with the, for lack of better word, stray subfactions. (See the guard datasheets being removed from GSC, which is more like Dark Eldar without Harlies rather than Craftworlds with Harlies). Makes me wonder about Chaos Cultists, to be honest (since there are rumors about range expansion there).
Anyway, mid edition paradigm shift screws over an earlier release again. Nothing new, I guess. But no guard in GSC makes me wonder if DE will ever get harlies back directly.
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Bosskelot wrote: It's pretty easy to tell when rumours/leaks are legit nowadays because the intermediaries who bring them are much better at verifying them. The Advent Calendar leaks were only released because the discord server owner had received other information from the leaker that turned out to be true beforehand. Valrak too has ways to verify who he is getting his information from. There's a leaker on the r/Eldar subreddit who is now being taken seriously because he posted about ALL of this stuff like 5 months ago, including naming the Shroud Runners. The Advent Leaks were also verified by several other youtubers who essentially said the majority of it was true, or matched up with stuff they'd seen/been able to verify.
If it's just some random dude or Faeit or obvious photoshop filters to make it look like a phone cam pic then yeah, take it with a huge grain of salt. But for the past 2-3 years we've had consistent leaks and rumours from very reliable sources and everything about the Advent leak pointed to it being completely legit.
Yeah, in hindsight it is pretty obvious that the stuff is correct.
But given the information the general public (and not some insider group of playtesters and people with connection to them) had, it wasn't obvious.
1) Sure, Valrak has at least one reliable source. But he also makes videos about fabricated gak rumours like the ones that started this thread. So he clearly doesn't use his reliable sources to confirm other rumours.
2) How do you know that some random Discord admin diligently checks his sources, except taking his word for it?
3) We only know that OK_Entrepeneur's Reddit posts are legit since the Eldritch Omen teaser confirmed it.
So there is no direct way to judge the veracity of a rumour except you have connections yourself to someone who can verify it.
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Nazrak wrote: If they'e folded Harlequins back in, I'll be delighted.
I'm just confused about it.
I mean... I like fewer books and fewer teeny-tiny subfactions.
But not too long ago, Harlies were in both Craftworlds and Dark Eldar.
Then they got their own book and weren't in either (despite working with both, fluffwise and on the table)
Now they're... not in Dark Eldar, but will be in Craftworlds. That's just... gakky.
Its like they didn't plan out the edition and what they were going to do with the, for lack of better word, stray subfactions. (See the guard datasheets being removed from GSC, which is more like Dark Eldar without Harlies rather than Craftworlds with Harlies). Makes me wonder about Chaos Cultists, to be honest (since there are rumors about range expansion there).
Anyway, mid edition paradigm shift screws over an earlier release again. Nothing new, I guess. But no guard in GSC makes me wonder if DE will ever get harlies back directly.
With the way keywords work, it no longer matters if a faction has it's own book or shares one with others.
You still have to take separate detachments to get the most out of a faction anyway.
Dark Eldar can still take Harlies, but just like before, they'll be in a separate detachment.
Bosskelot wrote: It's pretty easy to tell when rumours/leaks are legit nowadays because the intermediaries who bring them are much better at verifying them. The Advent Calendar leaks were only released because the discord server owner had received other information from the leaker that turned out to be true beforehand. Valrak too has ways to verify who he is getting his information from. There's a leaker on the r/Eldar subreddit who is now being taken seriously because he posted about ALL of this stuff like 5 months ago, including naming the Shroud Runners. The Advent Leaks were also verified by several other youtubers who essentially said the majority of it was true, or matched up with stuff they'd seen/been able to verify.
If it's just some random dude or Faeit or obvious photoshop filters to make it look like a phone cam pic then yeah, take it with a huge grain of salt. But for the past 2-3 years we've had consistent leaks and rumours from very reliable sources and everything about the Advent leak pointed to it being completely legit.
Yeah, in hindsight it is pretty obvious that the stuff is correct.
But given the information the general public (and not some insider group of playtesters and people with connection to them) had, it wasn't obvious.
1) Sure, Valrak has at least one reliable source. But he also makes videos about fabricated gak rumours like the ones that started this thread. So he clearly doesn't use his reliable sources to confirm other rumours.
2) How do you know that some random Discord admin diligently checks his sources, except taking his word for it?
3) We only know that OK_Entrepeneur's Reddit posts are legit since the Eldritch Omen teaser confirmed it.
So there is no direct way to judge the veracity of a rumour except you have connections yourself to someone who can verify it.
There were comments on a podcast I believe from Peter from 40kstats confirming the rumours very early on. But unless you listened to it by chance or went looking you wouldn't know.
It's more that too often on dakka people demand iron clad proven rumour sources, I.e. facts, when discussion of the what ifs and the possibility is still worthwhile even if the veracity cannot be confirmed.
Nazrak wrote: If they'e folded Harlequins back in, I'll be delighted.
I'm just confused about it.
I mean... I like fewer books and fewer teeny-tiny subfactions.
But not too long ago, Harlies were in both Craftworlds and Dark Eldar.
Then they got their own book and weren't in either (despite working with both, fluffwise and on the table)
Now they're... not in Dark Eldar, but will be in Craftworlds. That's just... gakky.
Its like they didn't plan out the edition and what they were going to do with the, for lack of better word, stray subfactions. (See the guard datasheets being removed from GSC, which is more like Dark Eldar without Harlies rather than Craftworlds with Harlies). Makes me wonder about Chaos Cultists, to be honest (since there are rumors about range expansion there).
Anyway, mid edition paradigm shift screws over an earlier release again. Nothing new, I guess. But no guard in GSC makes me wonder if DE will ever get harlies back directly.
With the way keywords work, it no longer matters if a faction has it's own book or shares one with others.
You still have to take separate detachments to get the most out of a faction anyway.
Dark Eldar can still take Harlies, but just like before, they'll be in a separate detachment.
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Yeah, but for DE to use them, they need to buy 2 books, and for Eldar to use them, they just need the 1. I’m with Voss on this, it’s weird and definitely feels like they made the choice too late to add them to the DE codex or something.
It’s not ideal for DE players who want to splash some harlis into their list, but I’d rather have things wrapped into fewer codexes. Now DE can also add CWE units as well, without more books.
And duplicating entries in multiple books often ends up with different versions as they get updated. So just having it here is fine.
Nazrak wrote: If they'e folded Harlequins back in, I'll be delighted.
I'm just confused about it.
I mean... I like fewer books and fewer teeny-tiny subfactions.
But not too long ago, Harlies were in both Craftworlds and Dark Eldar.
Then they got their own book and weren't in either (despite working with both, fluffwise and on the table)
Now they're... not in Dark Eldar, but will be in Craftworlds. That's just... gakky.
Its like they didn't plan out the edition and what they were going to do with the, for lack of better word, stray subfactions. (See the guard datasheets being removed from GSC, which is more like Dark Eldar without Harlies rather than Craftworlds with Harlies). Makes me wonder about Chaos Cultists, to be honest (since there are rumors about range expansion there).
Anyway, mid edition paradigm shift screws over an earlier release again. Nothing new, I guess. But no guard in GSC makes me wonder if DE will ever get harlies back directly.
Agreed, bit of a kick in the teeth of Drukhari players IMO, now they will need to buy a second codex to use them, assuming that its still a soupable option for them in the first place. Also a bit startling that they would reintroduce the concept of codex supplements only to seemingly not utilize them for factions other than space marines.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Agreed, bit of a kick in the teeth of Drukhari players IMO, now they will need to buy a second codex to use them, assuming that its still a soupable option for them in the first place. Also a bit startling that they would reintroduce the concept of codex supplements only to seemingly not utilize them for factions other than space marines.
Can someone tell me what Edition Harlequins were present in the Dark Eldar Codex and when they were removed because AFAIK they were in the 6th Ed Craftworlds Codex then got their own release in 7th Ed. Was it 5th or 4th? Because if not then DE having to buy multiple Codexes to use Harlequins is not a new thing and people should stop acting like it's a betrayal on GW's part.
Also, Drukhari can't be taken in the same Detachment as non-Drukhari Aeldari without them also being Ynarri (say that 10 times fast).
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tneva82 wrote: # of codexes is irrelevant for when edition changes since gw isn't obligated to update codexes before next ed and rarely does
I think the point is the opposite. If GW updates all the Codices swiftly, the next logical step is to update the edition. They can't keep the same rules around for too long, otherwise people won't keep buying models.
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They can and will release new edition whenever it suits them. 40k 10th will be out 2023 whether or not all have got 9e codex.
Ultramarines, 3rd Co. and friends, 16k+ 
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