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Rivetbull wrote: I know this could be seen as trolling, but I feel genuinely like a couple of you need to see this.
Automatically Appended Next Post: In all seriousness, noone who follows the wargaming scene, and certainly not people who read dakka can be unaware of the long standing boom bust cycle of faction power levels and power creep in 40k. If the list building game turns you off or you aren’t enjoying the swingy nature of the meta, then the logical response is to try other stuff. I feel like GWs model of perceived exclusivity really exists to build up players perception of armies as a sunk cost from which moving on would be too costly, too difficult, too emotional, take your pick. Just try using your models in some other games or paint up a different project, and see how you like it. Come back to 40k when it seems like it may have come to its senses.
What if I told you...
...there are three ways to play Warhammer, and not everything has to be a competitive matched play game? Crusade is pretty darn fun, people, and you can absolutely use whatever you want.
While I agree that doesnt work for pick ups. The generally accepted rules are what is generally played. Arranging to play with a custom set of rules that both parties agree upon takes time and only really works if you have a close knit group.
It's supposed to. Crusade is intended to be a permanent, on-going system. You and I may never have met, but there should be ZERO stopping us from using existing Crusade forces to play a pickup Crusade game. Hell, Age of Sigmar actually does it better because you can work on your Path to Glory even in a Matched Play setting.
Some new info snippets from the Discord. The poster verified the post with a partly image from Maugan Ra:
So. For new models. We have : Maug. Corsairs. Warlock. Shining Spears. Dark reapers.
Night spinner AP-2 dmg 2
D canon d6+2 not d3+3 I was wrong last time
Shuriken canon for harlies now S6 ap1 dmg 2 But 3 shot
Now can't reroll hit rolls against Starweavers and skyweavers
Are relics any good? A lot
Shining Spears pictures? I do. Models are good. Unit is not. Can't show.
Do they lose the 4++? Nope
Also, no more double move and charge. Both in harlies and craftworlds.
And no more -1 to invuls.
So jinx doesn’t work on invuls anymore? Nope
think jinx is now removes invulns - No. -1 to armor save.
Thats’s sad - Don't worry. You have a gak ton of ignore invul and mobility. This codex is busted.
Are corsairs troop and elite? And do they look cool
Very cool. But they are not good.
Exarch traits are very busted at the moment.
Jain zar solid option
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Looks like Corsairs vs. Dark Mechanicum in the new Kill Team set according to the GW Instagram comments...
This is going to be amazing if so.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
2022/01/09 21:05:15
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Yeah, I'm curious about what information is being delivered in the comment section of a GW instagram post. No rumours indicate Dark Mechanicum right now. If Chaos is in the KT box, based on what we've seen, you'd expect Cultists/Renegade Guard/Possessed/one of the other gribbly mortal units coming with the CSM release.
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The Circle of Iniquity The Fourth Seal
2022/01/09 21:08:05
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Starfarer wrote: Looks like Corsairs vs. Dark Mechanicum in the new Kill Team set according to the GW Instagram comments...
This is going to be amazing if so.
The art in question is from the KT Core Book on page 20. It's accompanying a fluff blurb about a warzone.
When tech-hungry magi of the Adeptus Mechanicus seized a number of webway portals and ancient shrines on the Aeldari maiden world of Vyaneth, they swiftly built-up enormous fortifications and bastions to hold their takings, churning the pristine ground, pulling down glorious forests and pumping heavy pollution into the atmosphere. Knowing a full-scale assault would be ruinously costly, as well as highly likely to fail, the Asuryani of Alaitoc Craftworld formed a number of kill teams, drawing together Aspect Warriors and Rangers. With precise long rifle fire, the Rangers picked off Skitarii sentries and drew defenders out, giving room for Dire Avengers to rapidly storm the weakened Imperial defences. After weeks of this kind of fighting, Alaitoc deployed a vast host alongside a number of Revenant Titans, who utterly destroyed the hollowed Mechanicus bastions and ground them to dust.
2022/01/09 21:08:52
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Starfarer wrote: Looks like Corsairs vs. Dark Mechanicum in the new Kill Team set according to the GW Instagram comments...
This is going to be amazing if so.
Hmm. Does the Dark Mechanicum stuff have substance beyond the picture? Those could easily be cultists BSF style, like the current chaos marine rumors are saying.
2022/01/09 21:17:14
Subject: Re:Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
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You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
2022/01/09 21:23:43
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
H.B.M.C. wrote: I thought the next KT box was Nachmund or however you spell it? The Return to Vigilis thing.
This, yes, but they've also said that Nachmund is in the grip of war between pretty much every faction.
Most rumors say "Corsairs vs. Chaos Kill Team Box" apparently due for preorder on the 29th of Jan. but the chaos side has been oddly quiet.
The major chaos rumor listed out Warpsmith, Chosen, Possessed, Bikers, Traitor Guard, Cultists, Cultist standard bearer, and Cultist Leader w/Bodyguard all as part of the big wave of Chaos Marines.
The Eldritch Omens box confirmed two of those at least, but we've gotten nothing out of the rest.
On top of that, GW is giving the focus to the Eldar, which hints that Eldar will get their big release first, then Chaos shortly after, but some are saying it'll be a big dual-release due to schedule changes.
Time will tell!
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2022/01/09 22:10:15
Subject: Re:Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Vigilus started with the battle boxes "Tooth and Claw" and "Wake the Dead". The events of the latter were addressed when Calgar brokered an alliance with Saim Hann to use their very rare and ancient stealth ship as a car bomb against the Vengeful Spirit. Saim Hann has been on Vigilys from the very beginning because "Chaos Bad".
2022/01/09 22:20:40
Subject: Re:Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
zamerion wrote: yeah, also the drawing and the description do not fit with the rumor of corsairs, right?
Gw trolling us.
I'm afraid until LVO we won't know what the next box will be
Nah I think they might just be setting up the Corsairs reveal with a piece of Eldar Killteam art. Hoping to see something for KT sooner rather than later, they've already announced the new box is coming.
2022/01/09 22:52:53
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Starfarer wrote: Looks like Corsairs vs. Dark Mechanicum in the new Kill Team set according to the GW Instagram comments...
This is going to be amazing if so.
The art in question is from the KT Core Book on page 20. It's accompanying a fluff blurb about a warzone.
When tech-hungry magi of the Adeptus Mechanicus seized a number of webway portals and ancient shrines on the Aeldari maiden world of Vyaneth, they swiftly built-up enormous fortifications and bastions to hold their takings, churning the pristine ground, pulling down glorious forests and pumping heavy pollution into the atmosphere. Knowing a full-scale assault would be ruinously costly, as well as highly likely to fail, the Asuryani of Alaitoc Craftworld formed a number of kill teams, drawing together Aspect Warriors and Rangers. With precise long rifle fire, the Rangers picked off Skitarii sentries and drew defenders out, giving room for Dire Avengers to rapidly storm the weakened Imperial defences. After weeks of this kind of fighting, Alaitoc deployed a vast host alongside a number of Revenant Titans, who utterly destroyed the hollowed Mechanicus bastions and ground them to dust.
That is an Eldar Phantom Titan wrecked in the background. It seems that victory Alaitoc got still came at a heavy cost.
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2022/01/09 22:58:51
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
I don't really get how all that suggests "Corsair VS Dark Mechanicus" rather than Eldar VS Adeptus Mechanicus.
Sure, that art doesn't look exactly like the usual Mechanicus style, but it's not unusual for there to be some variety with how things are presented in the artwork.
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Don't the Space Marine eradicators have a gun that is d6+2 as well? I was expecting the D Cannon to be a bit more impressive than that, especially if they're keeping the 12" range on Wraithguard.
2022/01/10 01:36:32
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
That Instagram image popped up a few weeks back as well. Weren't the corsair kill team rumored to have the option to have one as a ranger, one as a warlock, etc? Fits the image, though maybe the rumor only came about AFTER the image first appeared.
Also, since we have a slight Ra leak, maybe they'll show him off tmrw to beat the leakers. Hopefully he doesn't have a hood on. (It looks like he will from the new year video, though that's really rubbing in the grim reaper aspect a bit too much)
2022/01/10 02:12:27
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Like I said, that image is from the Kill-Team Core book. It's on page 20.
They even gave away a promo art card with KT: Octarius' release.
Something I hadn't considered is this might be the intro of a reworked "Elites" and "Commanders" setup. The Warlock would make sense in that context...and there's a Technoarchaeologist model still needing release for AdMech.
2022/01/10 05:25:29
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Kanluwen wrote: Like I said, that image is from the Kill-Team Core book. It's on page 20.
They even gave away a promo art card with KT: Octarius' release.
Something I hadn't considered is this might be the intro of a reworked "Elites" and "Commanders" setup. The Warlock would make sense in that context...and there's a Technoarchaeologist model still needing release for AdMech.
Is there? I thought the technoarchaeologist model was part of a Barnes n Nobles box "Combat Arena":
Spoiler:
Still available as far as I can see.
But yeah, we know that Kill Team is going to get elites and commanders and such. There are lots of images in the Core Book that are pretty much 'future proofing', like showcasing lychguard and custodes terminators as units you can take, when they're not in the compendium.
We also know that the balance of Kill Team is very different, and if they can fit in an aspiring sorcerer in a Thousand Sons kill team, they can very likely fit a Warlock in an Eldar kill team without dipping into elites just yet.
2022/01/10 09:17:48
Subject: Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
Vovin wrote: Some new info snippets from the Discord. The poster verified the post with a partly image from Maugan Ra:
So. For new models. We have : Maug. Corsairs. Warlock. Shining Spears. Dark reapers.
Night spinner AP-2 dmg 2
D canon d6+2 not d3+3 I was wrong last time
Shuriken canon for harlies now S6 ap1 dmg 2 But 3 shot
Now can't reroll hit rolls against Starweavers and skyweavers
Are relics any good? A lot
Shining Spears pictures? I do. Models are good. Unit is not. Can't show.
Do they lose the 4++? Nope
Also, no more double move and charge. Both in harlies and craftworlds.
And no more -1 to invuls.
So jinx doesn’t work on invuls anymore? Nope
think jinx is now removes invulns - No. -1 to armor save.
Thats’s sad - Don't worry. You have a gak ton of ignore invul and mobility. This codex is busted.
Are corsairs troop and elite? And do they look cool
Very cool. But they are not good.
Exarch traits are very busted at the moment.
Jain zar solid option
The change to Jinx will definitely change up my playstyle a bit (not a bad thing, mind you). I finished a tourney this weekend using it against a Kill Rig, Ork Warboss in one game an a massive Harridan in another. It is super useful lowering invulnerable saves.
The damage output for the current Nightspinner isn't so much an AP issue, but a random numbe of shots issue. I'll take AP2, but if it's still 2d6 shots, I will likely still be on the fence whether to use it or not.
Dark Reapers? Interesting.
Fire Dragons being good? We shall see. Still in Finecast and those models take such a long time to remove the flashing. If folks really want Fire Dragons and we don't get new models, find the older metal scultps.
The Warlock really appears like it will be in the KT boxset (based on artwork).
No earth shattering, thought provoking quote. I'm just someone who was introduced to 40K in the late 80's and it's become a lifelong hobby.
2022/01/10 13:14:12
Subject: Re:Aeldari rumours (even more leaks page 36)
I don't really get how all that suggests "Corsair VS Dark Mechanicus" rather than Eldar VS Adeptus Mechanicus.
Sure, that art doesn't look exactly like the usual Mechanicus style, but it's not unusual for there to be some variety with how things are presented in the artwork.
It certainly could be regular Admech based on the snippet, but the image does not resemble any of the current aesthetic for Admech, so if it is, I expect, or at least hope, for something very different in looks from what we have for the current AdMech range.
That said, all the rumors have said Eldar vs Chaos for the next KT box without specifying what type of Chaos. There's also the issue that Admech already got new KT Rules in White Dwarf very recently. Would be extremely odd for a game that's in the early stages of new content releases to double down on multiple rules for a single faction within a couple months.
Then there's the GW 2022 teaser which showed a model that people were saying either Admech or chaos cultists. Weird those were the assumptions for the same model. Very possible it is Dark Mechanicus.
I guess we'll see soon enough! Either way super excited for the Corsairs as well.
You can never beat your first time. The second generation is shinier, stronger, faster and superior in every regard save one, and it's an unfair criticism to level, but it simply can't be as original. - Andy Chambers, on the evolution of Games Workshop games
2022/01/10 13:45:17
Subject: I'm trying to will page 37 into existence!
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