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yieks!

I'm going 50/50 with a local chaos bro.
Got it at £100 from element games so we are splitting it £50 each which is a pretty good deal IMO.

 Argive wrote:
yieks!

I'm going 50/50 with a local chaos bro.
Got it at £100 from element games so we are splitting it £50 each which is a pretty good deal IMO.

I think if you can split it the Eldar for £50 isn't a bad deal. RRP is probably going to be around £90~ - so you are probably saving £20+ versus the discount on that.

Weirdly the Chaos kit is likely even more valuable in money terms - potentially approaching £100 because Forgefiends are so (weirdly imo) expensive. And since its an old kit, its not as obviously desirable. But if you were inclined to get one, its not a terrible deal.

Strangely enough, I like the Forgefiend the best out of all the models in that box. He's proper hench.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/the-new-avatar-is-strong-enough-to-one-shot-a-titan/

The avatar look hot...

The article does mention 3 weapons.
Wonder if these will be any different in terms of stats or will be purely aesthetic.

Also, they didn't show how much he will degrade by. I assume he will be degrading in Movement, BS and attacks(lame)

* Just like the lore, the Wailing Doom can now take several forms – a sword, an axe, or a spear.

No difference in stats.

 Argive wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/the-new-avatar-is-strong-enough-to-one-shot-a-titan/

The avatar look hot...

The article does mention 3 weapons.
Wonder if these will be any different in terms of stats or will be purely aesthetic.

Also, they didn't show how much he will degrade by. I assume he will be degrading in Movement, BS and attacks(lame)

His datasheet is with the leaks on the first page. And yes, that’s what degrades. I’m glad it’s his BS and not WS that takes the hit.

 Kanluwen wrote:

* Just like the lore, the Wailing Doom can now take several forms – a sword, an axe, or a spear.

No difference in stats.

Good.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Argive wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/the-new-avatar-is-strong-enough-to-one-shot-a-titan/

The avatar look hot...

The article does mention 3 weapons.
Wonder if these will be any different in terms of stats or will be purely aesthetic.

Also, they didn't show how much he will degrade by. I assume he will be degrading in Movement, BS and attacks(lame)

His datasheet is with the leaks on the first page. And yes, that’s what degrades. I’m glad it’s his BS and not WS that takes the hit.

Would prefer STR degradatin than attacks.

Wonder pts costs

 Argive wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Argive wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/the-new-avatar-is-strong-enough-to-one-shot-a-titan/

The avatar look hot...

The article does mention 3 weapons.
Wonder if these will be any different in terms of stats or will be purely aesthetic.

Also, they didn't show how much he will degrade by. I assume he will be degrading in Movement, BS and attacks(lame)

His datasheet is with the leaks on the first page. And yes, that’s what degrades. I’m glad it’s his BS and not WS that takes the hit.

Would prefer STR degradatin than attacks.

Wonder pts costs

14 PL. Is 1 PL=20 points still a decent benchmark? The way they keep changing things I honestly don’t know anymore.

So the new Avatar is pretty good then...

 Nevelon wrote:

 Argive wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Argive wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/the-new-avatar-is-strong-enough-to-one-shot-a-titan/

The avatar look hot...

The article does mention 3 weapons.
Wonder if these will be any different in terms of stats or will be purely aesthetic.

Also, they didn't show how much he will degrade by. I assume he will be degrading in Movement, BS and attacks(lame)

His datasheet is with the leaks on the first page. And yes, that’s what degrades. I’m glad it’s his BS and not WS that takes the hit.

Would prefer STR degradatin than attacks.

Wonder pts costs

14 PL. Is 1 PL=20 points still a decent benchmark? The way they keep changing things I honestly don’t know anymore.

Yes, generally 1PL=20 is still the conversion.

So my son and I did some test games with the new Avatar rules vs Guilliman, Nightbringer and a Bloodthirster (the one with the big scary axe). 3 games each.

1v1 vs either Guilliman or the 'Thirster was no match.
Even when they initiated the charge to go first, neither could do enough damage to the Avatar before dying (usually on the Avatar's first swing but not always)
We even let Guilliman get up with full 6 wounds and still the Avatar won every game.

The Nightbringer was another story. The max 3 damage per phase and ignore invul weapon give him the edge.
Although it was fun to note that the 2+ armour the Avatar now gets gave him a 6+ against the Nightbringer that he would not have had before.
I think the Avatar would come out on top against any other C'tan shared because they others allow invuls, so the Avatar should live long enough to deal the damage needed.

I'm actually kinda glad they bumped him over 10W, specifically more than 11 or 12. 10/11/12 wound characters (and vehicles for degrading stats) are always tough to justify since they are so close to getting LOS.
The Avatar should absolutely never get LOS. Even before the size buff, he's a glowing molten iron daemon; you should be able to pick him out. I'm just glad tget gave him 14 wounds and a half-damage ability to make him beefier. Let's also not underestimate T8 and 2+ save.

On the flip side, I also hope Wraithlords LOSE a wound. They are currently 10, which gives them the annoying degrading stats. We know that the WK went from 24 to 22Ws and that Wraith units get -1damage, so here's hoping WLs are only 9Ws

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Khahandran wrote:

wict01 wrote:
Well those harlequin weapon stratagems are gak. We have to pay 4CP a turn just to get our weapons to do what they’re supposed to? I’d rather have just kept the original profiles.

But the weapons never had these abilities. Also 2 of them are mutually exclusive on the same unit, and you may not be using the Caress against every unit.

Yeah hard to be bothered by it and hard to say its a "per turn" thing. Way I see it is that this gives you more flexibility with the squad without necessarily having to pay the points for abilities/profiles you might not use against every opponent. Sometimes the bonus damage, or ability to bypass invuls, etc. is useful and you will pay the CP, other times its not and you won't. In general terms it streamlines your fight phase by allowing you to roll an entire squad of attacks together without needing to differentiate whats a kiss, caress, embrace, etc. and in terms of listbuilding theres no more worrying how to build the squad to get the most out of it, now you're always going to have a mix of weapons in there so you can use these strategems flexibly.

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 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
I just don’t get how it’s too much for people to keep track of to monitor what weapons they’re swinging. Harlequin squads aren’t too big and you don’t have too many of em, it’s really not a pain swinging different weapon profiles.

Exactly this. I also play black Templars and if it’s fine for sword brethren to swing 5 different weapons in close combat without having them differentiated by strats then it should be fine for everyone else too.

We already know that Chaos Chosen are getting the same treatment as Harlequins are, so this seems to be the new trend, your Sword Brethren will get the same treatment in 10th, I'm sure. Its unfortuante that GW can't seem to stick to/commit to a single design paradigm or concept for the duration of an edition though and keep things consistent from book to book over the edition lifecycle, but it seems we're seeing the traditional mid-edition shift that we've come to expect over the last few editions of the game.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
You can do it even worse with ork nobz lmao, complete mix of power klawz, sawz, choppas, big choppas, power stabbas, and kombi weapons. Even then though you just have to like, think about it beforehand for a second.

Also 10th.

 stahly wrote:


Scale comparison of the new Aeldari Rangers. Quite a difference, but from a slight angle from above it's not that noticeable. Definitely not as out of place as Primaris next to regular Marines.

Full review here, including high-res sprue pics, datasheets, and assembly options:
https://taleofpainters.com/2022/02/review-eldritch-omens-aeldari-vs-chaos-space-marines-battlebox/

Hopefully this is just the "modified box set datasheet" and the full codex datasheet doesn't have the same restriction. It wouldn't be the first time that GW has provided datasheets as part of a box set which are modified/different from the ones found in the codex that releases a month or two after. I mean, its not like the Chaos Marines in the same box don't have that exact problem or anything....

Also certainly possible that we're in for another day 1 FAQ/Errata, with the current wording of the rule being changed to allow the mix and match.

Also certainly possible that this *is* the datasheet as intended, and once again the people writing Warcom were unaware/clueless or poorly worded their article in a manner that proved to be misleading.

 ph34r wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
FWIW, WHC states WD 473 will have rules for Altansar. If so this will be the first time Altansar has ever received Craftworld specific rules. I hope they will actually get some background exploration, and not just vague hints going nowhere of them being all "sinister" for no specific reason. Show don't tell.

Their sinister past of falling into orbit around the Eye of Terror for 10,000 years and finally being led free will no doubt translate into some amalgamation of words involving "on a 6" and "mortal wound"

Exalted

Voidscarred Corsair Killteam up - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/shiver-the-timbers-of-the-41st-millennium-with-the-new-voidscarred-corsairs/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_7th_February_Kill_Team_ENG_&utm_content=&utm_term=
Loving the old school banner from RT days...

What a crazy bunch!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/07/shiver-the-timbers-of-the-41st-millennium-with-the-new-voidscarred-corsairs/

Shiver the Timbers of the 41st Millennium with the New Voidscarred Corsairs - WarCom

AHHHH SO COOL.

I don't like the 90s hairdos, but everything else is so metal. I love that they have discounted aspect warriors, like how the SoB got models reminiscent of HQs


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Besides the visarch, are these the first eldar helmets with ears?

Wow they're ugly.

Is that a Spider jump generator on the hood & 2 knives one?

I like the eclectic mix of the different eldar types.

I’m actually a little happy I don’t like these guys. Saves the hobby budget a tad.

Will make it easier to not get sucked into KT.

The warlock is better than the standard kit. And he has a fur pelt.

I like that there's even harlequin wargear amongst the corsairs. The face kneepad and Visarch like helmets are a good touch for ynaari players.

They're sort of a safe mixing of eldar and dark eldar. Nothing really ground breaking but not terrible either.

Kind of miss those retro corsair FW helmets though.

The only thing I don't like is the banner and that's mostly because it gives me flash-backs to the old old warlord with a lead metal banner that always wound up bending.



Otherwise full of 80-90s Pirate Eldar Character

Okay, I really like these guys but at the same time I really hope to lessen the amount of accesories.

 Nevelon wrote:
I’m actually a little happy I don’t like these guys. Saves the hobby budget a tad.
Will make it easier to not get sucked into KT.

I'm the exact opposite. I like them so much that I know I'm going to feel compelled to get some even though I've been trying to resist getting into KillTeam 2.0, and that annoys me.

I flipping love them.

Love the new corsairs.

Maybe it's just me, but those Corsairs have to be the coolest Eldar I've ever seen.


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 Sotahullu wrote:
Okay, I really like these guys but at the same time I really hope to lessen the amount of accesories.

Kill Team comes with tons of extra stuff to spiff them out so lots of it will be optional.