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Does anyone have a clue when the general 40k Eldar stuff will likely be launching based on how GW operate?

Got some Birthday money available and will buy Eldar goodies if its not too far away.

I have no idea how these things work in terms of announcements like the Avatar through to launch.

Thanks

GW previews are generally good for 3 months forecasts. That said considering they've already started on codex previews I would wager we are into weeks to 1 month for the new book dropping. Perhaps a little longer but not vastly more .

Normal times a full reveal that wasn't prompted by a leak would be within 3 months of the stuff going on sale in some form (so a kit might only be part of a big box at that point),

might be a bit less certain in these messed up days, but probably not by much since they did such a large reveal

Discord leakers are saying the Codex is up as the next pre-order on Feb 19th. No word on which models will accompany it, or if they're split into several waves.

If they could hold off on any new terrain until after my wallet's recovered from the Eldar/Chaos box, that'd be great.

Iracundus wrote:
Eldar Corsairs in BFG can field cruisers and battleships with weapons that outperform standard Imperial naval weapons. Those kinds of ships require significant numbers of crew even accounting for Eldar ships needing less than comparable human ships. They are not poor rag tag bands using scrap weaponry. They are more like 3rd world warlords with their own private army and navy.

That's a really good point. Given the size of BFG vessels, if a Corsair band can muster a few cruisers and a battleship, they absolutely have the resources for a full 40K-scale tabletop army.

 catbarf wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Eldar Corsairs in BFG can field cruisers and battleships with weapons that outperform standard Imperial naval weapons. Those kinds of ships require significant numbers of crew even accounting for Eldar ships needing less than comparable human ships. They are not poor rag tag bands using scrap weaponry. They are more like 3rd world warlords with their own private army and navy.

That's a really good point. Given the size of BFG vessels, if a Corsair band can muster a few cruisers and a battleship, they absolutely have the resources for a full 40K-scale tabletop army.

From reading some of the Gaunt's and Last Chancer's novels, I get a sense that most ships in the Imperium are under crewed. Or they have huge areas for cargo etc.

Ship's only need 2-3 shifts for actual operations. the vast majority of crew on a warship are for damage control and replacements for the dead.

TBH given the scope of weaponry in 40K, like most real warships 2 or 3 real hits will kill it anyway. So wasting crew on a ship becomes a lesson learned....

Wonder if we’ll see a model and rules return for baron whatshisname from the old dark eldar codex (the one that came when most of the current range was released).

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Wonder if we’ll see a model and rules return for baron whatshisname from the old dark eldar codex (the one that came when most of the current range was released).

There's an easy way to tell:

Does the model in question already exist in the official DE range? - [YES/NO]

If YES - It's possible said model will get a resculpt, typically worse than the previous one and with no attempt to add additional options or make other improvements.

if NO - It won't get a model or rules.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/09/maugan-ra-is-the-embodiment-of-death-with-these-terrifying-new-rules/

Well. He seems pretty Killy!

 vipoid wrote:

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Wonder if we’ll see a model and rules return for baron whatshisname from the old dark eldar codex (the one that came when most of the current range was released).

There's an easy way to tell:

Does the model in question already exist in the official DE range? - [YES/NO]

If YES - It's possible said model will get a resculpt, typically worse than the previous one and with no attempt to add additional options or make other improvements.

if NO - It won't get a model or rules.

Well, Duke Sliscus (I downgraded him to a baron, oops) never had a model, but he’d be a prime candidate for a dark eldar/corsair special character. Though I don’t know how many such characters (those that had rules but were deleted due to a lack of models) have been brought back.

 Hellebore wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/09/maugan-ra-is-the-embodiment-of-death-with-these-terrifying-new-rules/

This lad seems like a bit of a tryhard

For any Harlequin players out there, there's currently a rumour that they'll be limited to the options on the sprue. Not much of an issue for Harlequin weapons, given the new rules, but I believe it will limit the number of Fusion Pistols a unit can take.

N3p3nth3 wrote:

Well, Duke Sliscus (I downgraded him to a baron, oops) never had a model, but he’d be a prime candidate for a dark eldar/corsair special character. Though I don’t know how many such characters (those that had rules but were deleted due to a lack of models) have been brought back.

For Dark Eldar?

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N3p3nth3 wrote:


Well, Duke Sliscus (I downgraded him to a baron, oops) never had a model, but he’d be a prime candidate for a dark eldar/corsair special character. Though I don’t know how many such characters (those that had rules but were deleted due to a lack of models) have been brought back.

We're you thinking of Baron Sathonyx perhaps?

 vipoid wrote:
For any Harlequin players out there, there's currently a rumour that they'll be limited to the options on the sprue. Not much of an issue for Harlequin weapons, given the new rules, but I believe it will limit the number of Fusion Pistols a unit can take.

Hot take/unpopular opinion time, I'm fine with this change. It was so stupid and immersion-breaking to see spammed fusion in boats. It felt like a band-aid to make Harlequins competitive, and now that they've got lots of other ways to do that, they can take the band-aid off while still letting you keep 2 pistols in every squad (a respectable output) plus another troupe master with fusion if you feel like it. I feel for the people who converted lots of fusion guns, but it was always kind of gamey and really only doable in 8th/9th IIRC.

Huh, so I guess Phoenix Lords are the C'tan equivalent for Eldar then (except they have LoS). Surprised for them to have the no more than 3 wounds clause given that so far it's only been given to units that don't have access to LoS. If Phoenix Lords only have 6W base, I don't think it will be too bad, but anymore than that and it'll get kinda silly.

 Grimskul wrote:
Huh, so I guess Phoenix Lords are the C'tan equivalent for Eldar then (except they have LoS). Surprised for them to have the no more than 3 wounds clause given that so far it's only been given to units that don't have access to LoS. If Phoenix Lords only have 6W base, I don't think it will be too bad, but anymore than that and it'll get kinda silly.

I'm happy to see it. I bet PLs will have 6 wounds (isn't that what Drazhar has?), and it'll be an extra layer of protection for a unit that has been perpetually understatted basically since inception. I hope they're monsters, they deserve to be.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Huh, so I guess Phoenix Lords are the C'tan equivalent for Eldar then (except they have LoS). Surprised for them to have the no more than 3 wounds clause given that so far it's only been given to units that don't have access to LoS. If Phoenix Lords only have 6W base, I don't think it will be too bad, but anymore than that and it'll get kinda silly.

I'm happy to see it. I bet PLs will have 6 wounds (isn't that what Drazhar has?), and it'll be an extra layer of protection for a unit that has been perpetually understatted basically since inception. I hope they're monsters, they deserve to be.

Oh don't get me wrong, they deserve their time in the spotlight, but I wasn't sure if the C'tan rule was the right way to go about it. They'll probably be pointed appropriately but we'll see how they do with their refresh. From what I heard, it seems like Jain Zar and Asurmen are going to be the auto-takes.

 Hellebore wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/09/maugan-ra-is-the-embodiment-of-death-with-these-terrifying-new-rules/

I hope the other phoenix lords get a gun that is basically two of the regular gun of its type and an extra-Killy melee weapon despite being ranged combatants…

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/09/maugan-ra-is-the-embodiment-of-death-with-these-terrifying-new-rules/

I hope the other phoenix lords get a gun that is basically two of the regular gun of its type and an extra-Killy melee weapon despite being ranged combatants…

Well I'd expect Fuegan, Asurmen and Bahroth all to be shooty+killy as they all have unique ranged weapons plus melee weapons

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
For any Harlequin players out there, there's currently a rumour that they'll be limited to the options on the sprue. Not much of an issue for Harlequin weapons, given the new rules, but I believe it will limit the number of Fusion Pistols a unit can take.

Hot take/unpopular opinion time, I'm fine with this change. It was so stupid and immersion-breaking to see spammed fusion in boats. It felt like a band-aid to make Harlequins competitive, and now that they've got lots of other ways to do that, they can take the band-aid off while still letting you keep 2 pistols in every squad (a respectable output) plus another troupe master with fusion if you feel like it. I feel for the people who converted lots of fusion guns, but it was always kind of gamey and really only doable in 8th/9th IIRC.

Nah you could do it any other time, just nobody did because Fusion Pistols sucked.

Have fun supporting your Plague Marine unit entry though.

What really makes it brutal is he can move shoot move. Blast an elite squad then dive behind cover every turn. I’m hoping jetbikes have move shoot move with auto 6” move. Eldar will be a nightmare to deal with if that’s the case. If used correctly battle focus will be the best armor there is.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
For any Harlequin players out there, there's currently a rumour that they'll be limited to the options on the sprue. Not much of an issue for Harlequin weapons, given the new rules, but I believe it will limit the number of Fusion Pistols a unit can take.

Hot take/unpopular opinion time, I'm fine with this change. It was so stupid and immersion-breaking to see spammed fusion in boats. It felt like a band-aid to make Harlequins competitive, and now that they've got lots of other ways to do that, they can take the band-aid off while still letting you keep 2 pistols in every squad (a respectable output) plus another troupe master with fusion if you feel like it. I feel for the people who converted lots of fusion guns, but it was always kind of gamey and really only doable in 8th/9th IIRC.

Nah you could do it any other time, just nobody did because Fusion Pistols sucked.

Have fun supporting your Plague Marine unit entry though.

I couldn't do that in 5th edition (only 2 fusion pistols per 5). But looks like in 7th it was possible.

 Grimskul wrote:
Huh, so I guess Phoenix Lords are the C'tan equivalent for Eldar then (except they have LoS). Surprised for them to have the no more than 3 wounds clause given that so far it's only been given to units that don't have access to LoS. If Phoenix Lords only have 6W base, I don't think it will be too bad, but anymore than that and it'll get kinda silly.

Makes sense to me. I never understood why the unique, named Aspect founders would be anything less than Primarch level threats.

warpedpig wrote:
What really makes it brutal is he can move shoot move. Blast an elite squad then dive behind cover every turn. I’m hoping jetbikes have move shoot move with auto 6” move. Eldar will be a nightmare to deal with if that’s the case. If used correctly battle focus will be the best armor there is.

What I find interesting is that T'au are probably going to give a significant bonus to move-shoot-move Eldar.

Let me explain:
People's reaction to T'au super powerful shooting phase is going to elicit a hard knee-jerk reaction to INSIST tables have plenty of LOS blocking terrain.
And with loads of LOS blocking, comes ample opportunity to abuse move-shoot-move.

Side note, I'd be really surprised and disappointed if Jetbikes don't come with auto-6" BF. They had that exact thing for several editions prior to 8th. It's time to give it back.
They already have auto-6" Advance move, so it'd be super easy to extend that to apply to BF too. It would also reduce unnecessary rolling

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Already printing my raging heroes Phoenix lord proxies LOL. No way I’m spending 30$+ a model for all them. I just play with friends so no one cares. Even printed ED209 from Robocop to use in an Imperial Guard list with custom rules. Makes the game more fun.

Turning up several pages and couple of days too late - but just to chip in I don't like the Corsairs. There's something uncanny valley about them.

I think its the fact they *look* like someone broke open their bitz box, and glued together parts from kabalites, guardians, rangers, harlequins and warlocks. Which is obviously intentional - but it just doesn't feel... like a natural thing in itself.

I had similar thoughts with the Tau Pathfinders - i.e. "here's a regular pathfinder box, and here are a load of third party heads and accessories we glued on to it".

Maybe in both cases its the paint scheme, that seems to really draw the eye to the various components rather than creating a unified whole.

Avatar looks faintly nuts - but I guess at some point you reach "just remove whatever I charge" so stop caring.

Looks like they're bumping Maugan Ra from S6 to S7 shooting, that'll make him extra deadly towards light vehicles.

I like they're giving him the max 3 Wounds per phase, makes the pinnacle of Eldar infantry a lot more durable.

Tyel wrote:
Turning up several pages and couple of days too late - but just to chip in I don't like the Corsairs. There's something uncanny valley about them.

I think its the fact they *look* like someone broke open their bitz box, and glued together parts from kabalites, guardians, rangers, harlequins and warlocks. Which is obviously intentional - but it just doesn't feel... like a natural thing in itself.

I get the same vibe. I think it's the contrast between the standardized bits and the individualized bits. They all have the kabalite feet/calves and craftworld thighs. This suggests a uniform and higher level of organization. The torsos and heads are all unique suggesting a random collection of individuals which I think is probably the better way to go for a bunch of pirates. This leaves me wondering what the design brief for them was. "Make them all different because they're wild and crazy with all kinds of different equipment, but make sure they're identifiable as a cohesive force on the tabletop."