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That was lame. Not even mediocre but plain lame. And the FX of him jetpacking into the crashed speeder scene are worse that fan film quality. And why does every "villain" need to be redeemed or show their fluffy side? First Boba and now the rancor. I suppose the season finale will be how the wampa on Hoth was just epicurious and a very talented gardener during the summer.

So far probably the best episode that actually gives a bit of a setup for the series. The flashbacks aren't just there to explain how Boba survived the escape of Luke and Han. Now, it can serve as a setup for some bad blood between the Pikes, the villain of the series, and the hero.

On the street gang, I must say that their appearance seems to clash with the rest of Tatooine, but I suppose that's sort of the point. Street gangs tend to dress in ways that aren't really conformist. The slow speed-ish pursuit makes sense considering how small and narrow the streets are and the idea of "space vespa" was pretty funny.

The fact that Fett could take a punch from a wookie with a powerfist seemed to me a bit strange. Shouldn't have this smashed his head easily? I know Fett was shown both on this show and in the Mandalorian to be tough as old boots and very strong (if not very quick and agile), but still.

Now, it can serve as a setup for some bad blood between the Pikes, the villain of the series, and the hero.

Sure. But honestly, the setup for the series was:

Fett: I declare myself Boss of Tatooine.
Anyone else: No.

We didn't need to see a labored, trope-filled backstory if it just ends in the most predictable fashion possible. The first three episodes are basically Boba being a clueless disaster magnet as the inevitable happens.

And to add insult to injury, we are still likely to be punished with the painstakingly dull story of how exactly Boba trudges from the end result of his adventures in the Dunes all the way to the intersection with the Mandalorian story before we finally get to the unnecessary explanation of the beginning of the first episode. Followed by a brief shootout (for justice!) and... something something sequel bait.

Rather than, you know, actually building and protecting a criminal empire from the start, which might have been actually interesting.

Voss wrote:
We didn't need to see a labored, trope-filled backstory if it just ends in the most predictable fashion possible.

You are right that so far, while I enjoy the show, it's neither original nor particularly innovative in anything. It does play its tropes well though. I enjoy slow worldbuilding episode in series, especially in anthology series like Star Wars.

So far, the only thing I would say is a blast, a really good thing, in this series is the soundtrack. I think its really good. Star Wars, in my opinion, never disappoint when it comes to music and sound design.

I think the main thing that is irking me is, they went to all that trouble to give Boba his dues in the madalorian, making him extremely smart, calculated and competent...

He now is just coming across as a fraud - a little like some of the theories of him used to be, all the gear no idea and used to luck his way through things.

I love the pun on “Mod” here, very funny stuff. Someone upstream ITT said that Mods belong in an urban setting rather than a frontier cow town. That’s true but of course this is Mos Espa, a sprawling city, rather than Mos Eisely.

Why are people ITT so convinced the rancor is just what meets the eye? Seems fairly clearly set up as another Hutt plot to kill Boba, with Machete even given an ominously ambiguous line.

I really enjoyed getting to see a Wookie go all out ferocious, tearing into throats, slamming people across rooms, etc. It took eight people to defeat Krrsatan — well eight people and a trap door.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think the main thing that is irking me is, they went to all that trouble to give Boba his dues in the madalorian, making him extremely smart, calculated and competent...

He now is just coming across as a fraud - a little like some of the theories of him used to be, all the gear no idea and used to luck his way through things.

When did he appear smart, calculating, or competent in the Mandolorian? He literally shows up. Wants his armor. Kills some storm troopers. Misses with his backpack rocket doing better then he intended to on accident, and then just does whatever the Mando wants for the rest of the show.

I'm enjoying the show, but that was a poor episode to watch. I was interested in the Tuskan stuff, but that's been killed off, (just as I was starting to thing the 'Flashback' is the real story) and the awful biker gang acted RADA by graduates like 1983 Doctor Who. That was a really slow, dull chase scene*. The Rancor is cool though. I'm guessing nobody will complain he hasn't got a litter when he rides into town on a Rancor.

*I guess, to be kind, the chase had to be that slow to allow for all the hallmarks of an urban car chase: falling boxes, pedestrians fretting over crossing the street, smashing through something two people are carrying... although to be done properly, the two guys carrying the painting should have dodged all the traffic before accidently damaging it themselves.

Oh my God! It was the Pykes all along! What a blistering revelation that raised neither my eyebrows nor my heart rate, a bit like that walking-speed speeder chase.

At least the music's good, he said, damning with faint praise...

 Manchu wrote:
I love the pun on “Mod” here, very funny stuff. Someone upstream ITT said that Mods belong in an urban setting rather than a frontier cow town. That’s true but of course this is Mos Espa, a sprawling city, rather than Mos Eisely.

I'm not the only one who noticed that! Who are the rockers?

Why are people ITT so convinced the rancor is just what meets the eye? Seems fairly clearly set up as another Hutt plot to kill Boba, with Machete even given an ominously ambiguous line.

Really could go either way. We know Rancor form strong bonds, or at least their trainers form strong bonds with them. But if the Hutts gave me a Big Monster... yeah, no way on earth am I going near that thing.

I really enjoyed getting to see a Wookie go all out ferocious, tearing into throats, slamming people across rooms, etc. It took eight people to defeat Krrsatan — well eight people and a trap door.

I think what Boba said to Krrsatan was interesting. Boba has spent his life working for dodgy, or downright evil, people. He's done with that. He doesn't want to be a crime boss because that's what he wants to do. He's just fed up working for people.

 Manchu wrote:
I really enjoyed getting to see a Wookie go all out ferocious, tearing into throats, slamming people across rooms, etc. It took eight people to defeat Krrsatan — well eight people and a trap door.

The Wookie was sent to kill a man who was asleep in a bacta tank. He failed utterly, and then failed to kill any of the much smaller and weaker people that tried to stop him.

It wasn't a good showing for the Wookie.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I really enjoyed getting to see a Wookie go all out ferocious, tearing into throats, slamming people across rooms, etc. It took eight people to defeat Krrsatan — well eight people and a trap door.

The Wookie was sent to kill a man who was asleep in a bacta tank. He failed utterly, and then failed to kill any of the much smaller and weaker people that tried to stop him.

It wasn't a good showing for the Wookie.

Black K used to work alongside Boba for Jabba (and then Vader) - it's possible he wanted to give him a fighting chance.

But yeah -

To be “fair” to him, Krrsantan comes from blood soaked gladiatorial pits, not a school for stealthy assassins. Shanking a dude in his sleep’s not really his style. And even with the six/seven people fighting him at once, he was holding his own, and only went down thanks to Dues Ex Trapdoor.

Someone earlier mentioned Aphra. It would be interesting to see her, but I don’t think she has any reason yet to be involved. She typically shows up for ancient tech and archaeological stuff. When she briefly met Boba she hard noped right out, and while she hangs out with Krrsantan quit a bit, that’s more just she owes him a ton of money and he follows her around to make sure she doesn’t die before paying him back. She’s ditched people she likes more for less so I doubt she’d care about his shenanigans.

From now on, I won't be able to think about the city as anything else but Mos Vespa.

All the mentions of Vespa just don’t work for me, because when I think of Vespa I think of FLCL, and the Vespa in that show was WAY faster than these “Speeders”.

 AduroT wrote:
Im down with the designs of the mod gang on their own, but the idea of them seems poor. Poor street kids with no jobs who can’t even afford water, but did pay who knows how much for all those fancy shiny cybernetics and shiny custom speeders. They look very out of place for their surroundings.

I thought they seemed more like rich kids playing gangsta

beast_gts wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Im down with the designs of the mod gang on their own, but the idea of them seems poor. Poor street kids with no jobs who can’t even afford water, but did pay who knows how much for all those fancy shiny cybernetics and shiny custom speeders. They look very out of place for their surroundings.

I thought they seemed more like rich kids playing gangsta

I don’t see rich kids complaining about the price of water in how many weeks of wages it takes to pay for it.

 AduroT wrote:
I don’t see rich kids complaining about the price of water in how many weeks of wages it takes to pay for it.

Yeah - that's where my theory falls down

 Albertorius wrote:
Mos Vespa.

Gotttttem! made me smile thx

Voss wrote:
Rather than, you know, actually building and protecting a criminal empire from the start, which might have been actually interesting.

I can only assume for Disney reasons the crime boss doesn't do any actual crime...

Looked like souped up Hover Rounds to me.

I am really on the fence about this series. It just seems the script and plot are so simple and juvenile. Hey, props to Jon Favreau and all, but he needs some help with script writing or something as the dialogue is severely lacking and just not getting any depth after 3 episodes.

Maybe Jon did not write this last one, not sure, but I may bail on this; however, I will give it another episode or two to see if it improves.

Sorry for my possibly unpopular opinion.

 AduroT wrote:
I’m realizing just how sad Boba’s claim to being in charge really is. Like you’d think when he killed Bibb he’d have taken over the operation. Instead it was just him and Fennec. He just kind of showed up by himself and said I own everything now with no organization or backing of any kind. He’s just hollow.

Any man who has to say "I am daimyo" is no daimyo.

I would agree that a dedicated writer might make for a better series, overall.

 Ouze wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
I’m realizing just how sad Boba’s claim to being in charge really is. Like you’d think when he killed Bibb he’d have taken over the operation. Instead it was just him and Fennec. He just kind of showed up by himself and said I own everything now with no organization or backing of any kind. He’s just hollow.

Any man who has to say "I am daimyo" is no daimyo.

At least he's saying it to more than one person and a robot now, right?

His 'empire' is up to two orcs, a handful of dumb kids, a stereotype and a big dog.

Out of curiosity, for anyone who's not so happy with how Book of Boba is shaping up, would it make a difference how you view it if the show had been named "Bombad Boss Boba" and advertised as a comedy instead? There seem to be a lot of raised eyebrows over stylistic choices and Boba's portrayal as somewhat bumbling. Would it make a difference to you if your expectations had been set accordingly from the beginning?

As for me, I'm still enjoying it. The latest episode had a good few laughs. Danny Trejo's appearance didn't hurt.

The space vespa gang needs more exposition, though. They look entirely too flashy for Tatooine, which isn't really capitalized on except for a bit of attitude the teenage delinquents give old man Boba when they first meet. Might come down the line, I guess.

He’s not bumbling enough to make it an actual comedy, he’s merely inept.

 Geifer wrote:
Out of curiosity, for anyone who's not so happy with how Book of Boba is shaping up, would it make a difference how you view it if the show had been named "Bombad Boss Boba" and advertised as a comedy instead? There seem to be a lot of raised eyebrows over stylistic choices and Boba's portrayal as somewhat bumbling. Would it make a difference to you if your expectations had been set accordingly from the beginning?

Well, its certainly part of my problem with the show as is. I expected a confident, experienced and effective individual with a plan. (and people in Jabba's/Bib's organization, or allies in the overall crime syndicate or _something_) Not just trying to fake being the Boss to a handful of people who know better.

He reminds me of Luke at the beginning of New Hope: an idealistic dreamer with no idea how anything really works, or how to accomplish anything beyond 'fly ship.' And it doesn't work for someone who's been kicking around the galaxy for decades, with a reputation strong enough that Darth Vader himself has to caution him about going too far.

 AduroT wrote:
He’s not bumbling enough to make it an actual comedy, he’s merely inept.

I don't think we can call Fett inept in the series so far. In fact, we have spent most of the first three episodes in the past while Fett was living with the Tuskens and the only thing we have actually seen him do in present day is receive the welcomes of his ''supposed'' goons, get challenged by one of them, him making a run to get some money from his lackey which goes perfectly fine, foil a bold assassination attempt by expert assassins, catch a survivor and made him talk, threaten the mayor who wasn't taking him seriously, solve a minor dispute in his territory, recruit a bunch of talented small criminals to bolster his security, foil an assassination by a famous bounty hunter, "get him on his side" and that's it so far. Fett isn't inept at all, he simply hasn't done much beside you starting his new job with the casual routine tasks. He doesn't seem all too surprised he is encountering resistance from his supposed underlings and rivals, but he explicitly doesn't want to go hard on them, trying to win them over by showing off that he is a reasonable and generous man who can make them profit from his business. Fett doesn't want to be a cruel gang lord; he explicitly wants to ''civilize'' the criminal underground of Tatooine. We haven't seen him to enough so far to call him inept, there hasn't been enough time in the three episode so far to say that his action fails or are ill advised. Yes, he is idealist, but that comes with a character whose main motive is changing a bad and firmly entrenched tradition.

Honestly I think the problem at this point is Dave Filoni.

As much as everyone loves him for his work in all the "best" stuff since the prequels, he really only does a couple of things.

1) explain gak that doesn't need explanation for fan service/nostalgia sake. More than anything else Dave Filoni is responsible for Starwars street.

2) Often very simplistic narratives. Especially when you are looking at the over all story. I mean look at Bad Batch? Look at Book of Boba Fett? You get a simple set up and you run down it with as many stops on SW street as you can get.

I think Jon Favreau is responsible for all the best parts of the Mandolorian and I think BoBF is more a DF project than a JF project.