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"We really like the updates you make to the game, although paying for a points patch is bad."
"So you like the updates? Ok we'll do a new points patch twice a year rather than once a year!"
"That's... that's not what we meant!"

So season passes now, hey?

"bUt Gw HaVe ChAnGeD! tHeY hAvE a FaCeBoOk PaGe AnD eVeRyThInG!"

i think a healthy plan is to discuss in your group which one of these sectors you want to play out and then get the materials (maybe even between the group). Ignore the next one and just play this one for the rest of the year. I'll probably hop on this simply because I already have the 2 other Vigilus books, have the Risk game with Vigilus map and an interest in Eldar and chaos. Will probably skip the second half book (except match play booklet as we'll probably continue to use that).
Goal is to sell off some of my backlog that I just know I won't get to.

The worst part is the continued bifurcation of rules with the separate Campaign and Crusade book.

The Crusade books are mostly reprints of the 40k rules. There's no justification for their existence as separate products beyond GW wanting to sell yet another bit of DLC.

Every new rule (Crusade, missions, etc.) should be put into the main Campaign book.

 p5freak wrote:
Did they say anything about a new CSM codex ? No, they didnt. So you will play a campaign with an old codex against eldar with a new codex.

GW has said nothing about a new Craftworlds Codex either but using the magic of my brain, I've deduced that since there's a Battlebox coming both armies will get new Codexes at the same time just like Grey Knights and Tsons, SoB and Drukhari, and Marines and Necrons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"We really like the updates you make to the game, although paying for a points patch is bad."
"So you like the updates? Ok we'll do a new points patch twice a year rather than once a year!"
"That's... that's not what we meant!"

So season passes now, hey?

"bUt Gw HaVe ChAnGeD! tHeY hAvE a FaCeBoOk PaGe AnD eVeRyThInG!"

Wargaming Tournament Seasons isn't anything new, GW just fails to understand what makes things like Infinity's ITS Seasons work(one of those reasons being free access to season rules and fluff).

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
This doesn't sound any different from what they've already been doing. It's just different branding. I don't like it, but it's just more of the same of what they've been doing for 9th edition, just with different packaging.

Exactly this. Whatever is new and different here seems exactly the same to me.

I guess the honesty in admitting up front that this pile of random books is only good for six months is new, but... warzone book, crusade book, GT book and points book... yeah. Seen that release pattern multiple times now.
Explicitly twice a year doesn't make that better, or make me want to pay for the pile of bloated garbage.

If each campaign book were to have stuff for all, or close to all, armies in a regiment of renown list or something similar I wouldn't mind. But for a reprint of the usual plus one or two different secondaries, and a new stratagem it's a waste of money.

M.

 bullyboy wrote:
i think a healthy plan is to discuss in your group which one of these sectors you want to play out and then get the materials (maybe even between the group). Ignore the next one and just play this one for the rest of the year.

Committing to being burned only once a year doesn't seem healthy. An actual healthy plan is to ignore it and just play the game they already sold you. If your group wants to play on vigilius or Nacht-so-gut, Nachoworld or wherever, a kill team box or a half dozen books aren't needed for that.

I have done well so far with 9th in not buying campaign books, not a single Octarius book. Just don't need them really. I have a copy of the new Deathwatch regiment of renown if I choose to use it. I wouldn't mind occasional campign book purchases if the price were reasonable, but these are not.

"Hey kids!"
"I'm not a chi-"
"Do you like our yearly points updates?"
"They're good, but they should be fr-"
"Well now we're doing to do them twice a year!"
"Are they fr-"
"Two Chapter-Approved rules updates per year!"
"So not free..."
"And 6-month seasons!"
"Ok, so more DLC books. Will any of this fix the underlying problems with 9th Edi-"
"A set of 3 books every 6 months, one of which invalidates the previous one!"
"Why are you acting like this is a good thi-"
"It's an exciting time to be a 40K player!"
"No it's a tedious time to be a 40k player."
"Here's a slightly updated Primaris Marine too!"
"That survey you did this year? You didn't learn a fething thing, did you?"
"He can have a power sword now!"
"Yeah ok... I'm done..."

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
This doesn't sound any different from what they've already been doing. It's just different branding. I don't like it, but it's just more of the same of what they've been doing for 9th edition, just with different packaging.

But please don't tell me they're going to release this before the new CSM codex. And are they really recycling the cover from that codex? *spits*

A codex road map would have been nice.

"Yeah ok... I'm done..."

*proceeds to spend $700 on their new custom primaris chapter that is never painted, played or even assembled.*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

"Yeah ok... I'm done..."

*Buys it anyway because everyone else was, including the new Primaris*

"Damn... why aren't GW getting the message?"

 Arbitrator wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

"Yeah ok... I'm done..."

*Buys it anyway because everyone else was, including the new Primaris*

"Damn... why aren't GW getting the message?"

*spends most their free time complaining about what they keep doing on dakkadakka.*

Please don't turn out to be some video game style battle pass...

Lol yeah, shiny marines...

To be honest in the old days we got minis from other companies t play GW games these days its the other way around for me. Get GW minis to play other games since both main systems just got ridiculously broken with the amount and price of rules. Pass on all of it.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
This doesn't sound any different from what they've already been doing. It's just different branding. I don't like it, but it's just more of the same of what they've been doing for 9th edition, just with different packaging.

But please don't tell me they're going to release this before the new CSM codex. And are they really recycling the cover from that codex? *spits*

A codex road map would have been nice.

It would have, but.. honestly I wouldn't share one now either. It isn't clear how far into 2022 the 2021 codexes are pushed, but they've vaguely suggested Tau, GSC and Custodes will keep things 'exciting' for 3-4 months (despite being just 3 books and single special character). Until they sort their book issues out, they don't need to be making new promises.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
*proceeds to spend $700 on their new custom primaris chapter that is never painted, played or even assembled.*

You appear to be taking this the wrong way...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
*proceeds to spend $700 on their new custom primaris chapter that is never painted, played or even assembled.*

You appear to be taking this the wrong way...

They definitely are.

If they're referring to you, you'd be spending that money on terrain, duh.

I guess to play devil's advocate, there are benefits to this warzone/seasons model:

1) Armies without a 9th edition codex (e.g. Tyranids and Guard) or armies with one who are struggling (e.g. necrons) can get rules to give them a boost if needed without having to wait until the next edition.

2) Similarly, armies can get new models without having to wait for a new codex to come round.

3) Points refreshes every 6 months should help to ensure imbalances are addressed more quickly.

Yes, people will say there are more books/rules but GW's counter to that would be 'You don't need the books when playing because you can put the code in the app and the rules will be available on your phone/smart device'.

This model basically seems to fix the main complaints that:

1) Armies have to wait ages for their new rules because it takes a long time to get all the codexes out.

2) Armies have to wait ages for new models because they are typically tied to codex releases.

3) It takes too long to fix broken units/rules.

The only thing you couldn't do digitally is release new models. Unless they wanted to sell some STLs. If you play an army that has not had an updated codex you should feel annoyed. CSM not being updated digitally is so that they can make money later. There is no other explanation.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
*proceeds to spend $700 on their new custom primaris chapter that is never painted, played or even assembled.*

You appear to be taking this the wrong way...

If you were referring to yourself, "Yeah ok... I'm done..." has been your stance for like 15 years now. But your still here. There are two things you can count on, the sun will rise every morning and HBMC will declare every GW release as the last straw.

Huh. I thought biannual meant every 2 years like bimonthly.

But in fact it means twice a year.

Biennial means every 2 years.

English sucks sometimes.

I would have preferred the GT mission pack to be once a year, but in the grand scheme of things this isn't a huge deal. Wish t hey would go back to the spiral back though.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
I guess to play devil's advocate, there are benefits to this warzone/seasons model:

1) Armies without a 9th edition codex (e.g. Tyranids and Guard) or armies with one who are struggling (e.g. necrons) can get rules to give them a boost if needed without having to wait until the next edition.

That would require those armies to be the ones included in the warzones. So far, its mostly been armies that just got their codex.
Or really bizarre rules for extremely specific subfactions only.

2) Similarly, armies can get new models without having to wait for a new codex to come round.

Or... they can just release new models. Don't need a new book to be happy with new plastic lictor or Berserkers or whatever.

3) Points refreshes every 6 months should help to ensure imbalances are addressed more quickly.

They've made promises about more quickly addressing imbalances before. Codex FAQs within weeks. And then DE and Ad Mech happened, and they just... didn't address the actual problems.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
"Yeah ok... I'm done..." has been your stance for like 15 years now.

Except it hasn't... so... maybe give it a rest?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
*proceeds to spend $700 on their new custom primaris chapter that is never painted, played or even assembled.*

You appear to be taking this the wrong way...

They definitely are.

If they're referring to you, you'd be spending that money on terrain, duh.

To be fair, I assumed HBMC was just pretending to quote Random Joe #3565 rather than himself.

Ok, this is my fav quote about this so far:

"Gonna be tough to conquer the vigilus sector with only 1 wound…"

 Arbitrator wrote:
To be fair, I assumed HBMC was just pretending to quote Random Joe #3565 rather than himself.

That was the point.

For only £45 you too can buy a book that’s gonna be out of date in 6 months!

Then don't buy it.

Stop buying GW products if they make you so unhappy. This isn't a complex equation.

And do the rest of us browsing these threads a huge favor and stop posting in them.