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Not Online!!! wrote:

2x210 wrote:

Lol

The sad thing is I'm meeting more and more people with this actual mindset. A friend of mine who is a really good minipainter refuses to paint anything that isnt an "official" color scheme and thinks conversions and even kitbashes are and I quote "really weird and ruin the immersion of the game".

He said this after seeing a squad of Raptors I made that had the possessed wing back packs instead of the normal jump packs........

Yikes


In the past we had awesome conversions, etc, even in wd... Now , we got Kits which we need to be happy if they got the full basic equipment.

Don't worry, if the kit doesn't have the full basic equiptment now, I'm sure GW will fix that in the rules next book.
10th Edition Ork Boys with mandated mix of Shootas and Choppas after the old kit is axed, here we come!

Well i am pretty much done anyways, recent pricehikes and me finishing my last projects i wanted to complete, whilest the one thing 8-9th supposedly had over 6-7 being balance and that just not existing because of course .... With even more ludicrous prices... Yeah gonna get some use out of older books instead.

How long has it been since GW promised two wounds for all Space Marines, by the way? I think it's around two years by now.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
How long has it been since GW promised two wounds for all Space Marines, by the way? I think it's around two years by now.

I've spent the last year in a timeless void. That number sounds both right and wrong.
Has to be wrong, though, since 9th came out the end of summer and Space Marines codex was in the fall. October 2020. So, 18 months or so. Give or take leaks and previews.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
I wonder why World Eater players are the most calm ones around here. They have little to no information at all and peoples armies are at risk of loosing access to several units. Props for that

I stopped having much hope they would remember the World Eaters even exist more than a decade ago.

Voss wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
How long has it been since GW promised two wounds for all Space Marines, by the way? I think it's around two years by now.

I've spent the last year in a timeless void. That number sounds both right and wrong.
Has to be wrong, though, since 9th came out the end of summer and Space Marines codex was in the fall. October 2020. So, 18 months or so. Give or take leaks and previews.

I went-a digging, and apparently it's been over 19 months, with the change being announced on exactly 13th of August 2020.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/13/new-boxes-new-rules-new-codexes/

So not quite two years, but still a lot of time waiting for something that could've been a simple FAQ

Yeah, it's insane. When they first announced that the CSM have to wait for their codex to get the two wounds, I assumed that this obviously means that their codex is right around the corner. But nope, here we are nineteen months later...

Worse than that, and as I've said a number of times over the years, the Chaos Codex would be better served by being delayed even later to allow for a full World Eater and Emperor's Children Codices to come out, lest we end up in a situation where the Chaos Codex has some Cult units with full rules and others with bare bones rules from ancient (and incompatible) kits.

Unfortunately, GW found a way to somehow make that even worse, so now the book won't even have Cult units, except the dilapidated Noise Marines, leaving WE players with nothing for the foreseeable future.

Tyranids caught a break. Chaos got what they usually get: The pointy end of the stick.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Worse than that, and as I've said a number of times over the years, the Chaos Codex would be better served by being delayed even later to allow for a full World Eater and Emperor's Children Codices to come out, lest we end up in a situation where the Chaos Codex has some Cult units with full rules and others with bare bones rules from ancient (and incompatible) kits.

Unfortunately, GW found a way to somehow make that even worse, so now the book won't even have Cult units, except the dilapidated Noise Marines, leaving WE players with nothing for the foreseeable future.

Tyranids caught a break. Chaos got what they usually get: The pointy end of the stick.

Ok, but it's almost guaranteed that GW will use the CSM release as the reveal of the WE expansion if they haven't already shown it off by then. Regardless of your personal opinions on GW's decision making having a first founding legion missing from the book is something they can't ignore.

My guess would be a download pdf on WarCom with largely unchanged holdover rules updated to match the new CSM book with a "WE coming Q? 202?-ish"

Would it be better to pop out WE and EC before CSM? Sure. But certain very vocal segments of the community couldn't even handle the last CSM update coming "so close" after DG without screaming bloody murder. So trying to do Chaos Knights, WE, EC, and CSM near back to back would probably birth a new Chaos god...

The amount of mess that releasing CSM prior to WE would imply, makes me really doubt that we will see this order of releases at all. We have quite many Khorne based Rumor Engines already, maybe WE will drop sooner than we think?

Btw I wonder when GW will release the update for the CSM from KT:Nachmund. We have new weapon options but no 40k rules to use along yet. I wouldn’t wonder to see GW release the update to Legionaries soon, maxbe even with the 2W stat

Is there any actual clues that we might get a WE Codex, or is that all pure rumours and conjecture?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is there any actual clues that we might get a WE Codex, or is that all pure rumours and conjecture?

There’s nothing official from GW if that’s what you mean, but World Eaters were mentioned in the still extremely correct big leak. Doesn’t specify a codex but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is there any actual clues that we might get a WE Codex, or is that all pure rumours and conjecture?

There’s nothing official from GW if that’s what you mean, but World Eaters were mentioned in the still extremely correct big leak. Doesn’t specify a codex but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

Surely there would be some rather World Eater-esque rumour engines though, wouldn't there?

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:The amount of mess that releasing CSM prior to WE would imply, makes me really doubt that we will see this order of releases at all. We have quite many Khorne based Rumor Engines already, maybe WE will drop sooner than we think?

Btw I wonder when GW will release the update for the CSM from KT:Nachmund. We have new weapon options but no 40k rules to use along yet. I wouldn’t wonder to see GW release the update to Legionaries soon, maxbe even with the 2W stat

There really aren't that many clearly Khorne looking Rumor Engines though. And between having a very trustworthy leak of the CSM update which was stated to be coming soon, a partial update release with Eldritch Omens, and no details on the WE release other than it's existence/absence from the CSM codex it would be hard to imagine that WE were coming before CSM.

Especially given than WE won't likely be just a quick dump and run update like a loyalist Space Marine Supplement. At the very least it will likely be a TS sized and at best DG sized release. Absolute worst case scenario could be a new box of Berzerkers and a codex containing 98% CSM units, but I think even GW knows how badly that'd go.

Regarding the KT upgrade, if GW follows their current pattern then the 40k rules could be either in Nachmund or on WarCom and then hopefully reprinted in the CSM book. The bundled kit likely won't be sold seperately until the next KT box set releases.

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is there any actual clues that we might get a WE Codex, or is that all pure rumours and conjecture?

There’s nothing official from GW if that’s what you mean, but World Eaters were mentioned in the still extremely correct big leak. Doesn’t specify a codex but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be.

Surely there would be some rather World Eater-esque rumour engines though, wouldn't there?

GW makes the rules when it comes to what shows up in the Rumor Engines so no we have no way of knowing. They seem to like leaving some ambiguity of what the images are for though which could mean that the new WE stuff is so obvious what it is that they don't want to spoil it. Or it could be that the WE release is not coming as soon as we think it is. Because even what I said earlier about GW "having to address the missing berzerkers in the room" when CSM drops, that could just be a "Hey looks like there's no WE here, have a dataslate. WE coming eventually." with no visual teasers if they're worried about hyping it up too soon.

That said, there are a few that might be WE related:
These could be Angrons wings since they look similar to the plastic Bloodthirser wings. The size seems off however and they could also fit a Jabberslythe (which we've gotten another rumor engine picture of)


This is almost certainly Khorne related though whether it's for Daemons, a marine, or some mutation is hard to say.


I think this is the most likely WE teaser so far. It looks more sterile/engineered than what I'd expect for AoS and seems to be part of some butcher/chopping weapon. The bare arm could mean it's something for Corpse Grinder Cults (if GW ever gives them anything again...) but WE are also not unknown for going sleeveless.


This one seems a little less likely as it looks a little to "dainty" for something Khornate, though it's also not clear what Chaos army it would fit (looks a little like a reimagined Huron though)


Everyone seemed to think this would be for the new Warpsmith howeverwhile it could still be CSM, I think there's a chance it's WE. The forge motif of the side vent would fit in with Khorne and the way the handle is shaded makes it look as though it could be made of bone.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
The amount of mess that releasing CSM prior to WE would imply, makes me really doubt that we will see this order of releases at all. We have quite many Khorne based Rumor Engines already, maybe WE will drop sooner than we think?

Btw I wonder when GW will release the update for the CSM from KT:Nachmund. We have new weapon options but no 40k rules to use along yet. I wouldn’t wonder to see GW release the update to Legionaries soon, maxbe even with the 2W stat

CSM are not getting 2W until the 9th edition codex. Gw has had plenty of opportunities to do it since announcing that it will happen, the most recent being the release of the new Chosen in the CSM vs Eldar box, but haven't done it. They're going for "maximum manufactured discontent" with Chaos players. Expect nothing before the codex.

And as for future codexes for other genetically engineered transhuman warriors (both of the shiny grey and spikey variety), the same will apply to them. Just think how durable that will make units like Rubric Marines or Plague Marines.

So just like they promised 19 months ago.

Nothing to see here but the ongoing discontent of CSM players. Do we have any Edition 3.5 Codex comments to add

But seriously, GW is taking their own sweet time getting around to the basic Heretic Astartes. I understand why it isn’t “a simple FAQ” job to give them more wounds, but it’s looking like 2 years from the initial announcement. Oof.

 alextroy wrote:

And as for future codexes for other genetically engineered transhuman warriors (both of the shiny grey and spikey variety), the same will apply to them. Just think how durable that will make units like Rubric Marines or Plague Marines.

So just like they promised 19 months ago.

Nothing to see here but the ongoing discontent of CSM players. Do we have any Edition 3.5 Codex comments to add

But seriously, GW is taking their own sweet time getting around to the basic Heretic Astartes. I understand why it isn’t “a simple FAQ” job to give them more wounds, but it’s looking like 2 years from the initial announcement. Oof.

By all accounts they're expanding the section of the roster with 1w ironically as well, so it'll be "here's 2 wounds, enjoy some more 1w models!"

That's confirmation of range rotation BTW.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/20/sunday-preview-avatar-autarch-and-aspect-warriors-aeldari-reinforcements-inbound/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundaypreview200322&fbclid=IwAR0umvir5ay_HntHhnXF6adLzVgQhN4CCjb2KP-nhc36A86DOJrr51i2v3Q
All the stuff that went LCTB is included.

Cool, cool.
Elf players, here's all your stuff.
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Oh, hey chaos riffraff. We're just... just going to go. What, these kits? They're coming with us- you weren't buying them anyway.
Oh, did you expect a heads up or something on your half of Eldritch Omens? No? Bye.

Voss wrote:
Oh, hey chaos riffraff. We're just... just going to go. What, these kits? They're coming with us- you weren't buying them anyway.

People on here knew about it on Friday, now other people will know. And yes, generally it follows that if you haven't bought the Chaos models listed, all of which are web order only, you weren't buying them anyway.

Oh, did you expect a heads up or something on your half of Eldritch Omens? No? Bye.

What? Did you expect the Chaos stuff to not come out with the Codex? The Codex that might show up at the Adepticon preview on Thursday?

The Eldritch Omens models are probably cheaper on ebay right now than they will be when gw gives them a separate release. Those cardboard boxes aren't cheap, y'know.

So, if the Jump Lord is just being "rotated", then I guess there's some hope that our characters won't be losing their jump packs. Hmmm....hope. Feels weird. It probably won't last long, though.

 Gert wrote:

Oh, did you expect a heads up or something on your half of Eldritch Omens? No? Bye.

What? Did you expect the Chaos stuff to not come out with the Codex? The Codex that might show up at the Adepticon preview on Thursday?

I didn't expect the eldar so soon. usually its several months for versus boxes to become solo releases. But given that they're setting elfs loose in the world, an update about the chaos models seems warranted. Or polite. Or a token gesture. Not absolute silence and a complete lack of anything. And given the chaos release is supposed to be multiple kits, no, I do not. I'd expect the EO solo releases to happen separately so the codex release weekend isn't overcrowded.


No idea why you'd expect the chaos codex in the Adepticon preview. I mean, absolutely none. They're in mid-hype about the tyranid book, and rumors point to knights before marines (and said rumormonger has been reliable to a fault so far). At best, I expect a short roadmap of the next three codex releases, but only a vague mention by super faction (imperial, chaos, xenos)

People talk about how the autarch fix was GW taking a step in the right direction, but to me it really just peeves me off because it shows they can easily fix their weird design restrictions but they continue to ignore it for no reason. It genuinely seems like they hate certain factions.

How bad does the team at GW have to be to not know what to do with EVIL SPACE MARINES. Its such a simple concept that writes itself. I could design crazy demon engines in my sleep.

Restricted loadouts with no weapon options is unacceptable for plastic kits of non-named characters if you ask me.

GW miniatures are fine but my friends and I have moved on when it comes to their rules writing. Onepagerules is a great alternative and pretty dang fun if you ask me.

I am quite sure Adepticon will show Chaos Knights. We already have them teased from the new years trailer. When there is one thing that GW is reliable on, it is that stuff teased will be released first before new teasers. We currently still miss one Guard Related and one Chaos Knight related model from the teaser.

But yeah, it is hard to deny that GW tends to treat some factions way worse than others. I cannot get rid of the feel that the designers are simply having no love/motivation for Chaos currently

 Don Savik wrote:
People talk about how the autarch fix was GW taking a step in the right direction, but to me it really just peeves me off because it shows they can easily fix their weird design restrictions but they continue to ignore it for no reason. It genuinely seems like they hate certain factions.

How bad does the team at GW have to be to not know what to do with EVIL SPACE MARINES. Its such a simple concept that writes itself. I could design crazy demon engines in my sleep.

To be fair to GW, a good chunk of CSM players hate the daemon engines (or at least have no use for them) and _really, really_ despise the idea that their faction is just 'Space Marines, but Evil.'
So that puts up some design constraints.

Voss wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
People talk about how the autarch fix was GW taking a step in the right direction, but to me it really just peeves me off because it shows they can easily fix their weird design restrictions but they continue to ignore it for no reason. It genuinely seems like they hate certain factions.

How bad does the team at GW have to be to not know what to do with EVIL SPACE MARINES. Its such a simple concept that writes itself. I could design crazy demon engines in my sleep.

To be fair to GW, a good chunk of CSM players hate the daemon engines (or at least have no use for them) and _really, really_ despise the idea that their faction is just 'Space Marines, but Evil.'
So that puts up some design constraints.

Well if instead of lackluster dinobots we would've gotten more things like hellblades and decimators then most people would be more than happy about more daemonengines.

I love all three Dinobots and I will die on this hill.

The Dinobots are not bad, but the Venomcrawler and Helstalker are much more of the design style I'd like to see going forward.

Honestly, Daemon engines are the big draw for me to CSM.

Some people like daemon engines some don't. Which is fine, because the CSM roster is deep enough that you should be able to take what you like, and leave the rest. My only problem is when it seems like gw is trying to push us towards daemon engines and away from our other vehicle options through rules.

 Sasori wrote:
The Dinobots are not bad, but the Venomcrawler and Helstalker are much more of the design style I'd like to see going forward.

Same. My biggest problem with the first few daemon engines (including the defiler) is they look grossly out of scale with everything else.

I really want the claw/flamer from the rumor engine to be another engine, not special character ex-loyalist guy.