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CoALabaer wrote:

But then that is what happens with new codexes. I will adapt my troops ( either the lord will join the lord (s) on daemonic mount in being "nice to look at" or be degraded to warptalon Champ).

Don't ask questions. Just consume the new thing.

Tyel wrote:
Possessed can buy an Icon for 5 points in the field manual.

So... who knows what to believe.

I mean one of them is literally carrying an icon on his back, so I'm going to say they can probably buy it.

Yeah, but... does it do anything since they can't be marked? Nor do they have the chaos undivided keyword.

Voss wrote:
Yeah, but... does it do anything since they can't be marked? Nor do they have the chaos undivided keyword.

Well I guess that's the case.
I guess the Icon was in the leaks and I didn't notice.

Tbh this just strikes me as a Zoanthrope Synapse situation. But I guess we'll wait and see.

The limitation situation is a fantastic example of how utterly subpar GW is as a company when it comes to designing rules. If it isn't outright malice, it has to be outright stupidity or incompetence.

Combi-Plasmas don't exist for any vehicles anymore - "Because there's no piece in the kit! " snide defenders will say. But yet for whatever reason, the Chaos Terminator Lord can take it - even though his model doesn't have it. He can also take a Combi-Flamer, yet he doesn't have that either. The same goes for the Chaos Sorcerer.

Obviously equipping the models as such is a plea for decreasing your shelf space - because you know GW will cut that option out later on. There's an incredible amount of 'planned redundancy' in the codex - and the people who defend it come off as people just desperate to buy more junk.

Voss wrote:
Yeah, but... does it do anything since they can't be marked? Nor do they have the chaos undivided keyword.

We don't know 100% that they can't have marks at all. All we know is they don't have Chaos Undivided and can't opt into buying marks voluntarily.

Zachectomy wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Xyxel wrote:
Please change to name of this thread to : "CSM whining list".
Hardly any rumors here to read.

Complaining about a product for the betterment of it is not whining. Go take your toxic positivity elsewhere.

I've done clinical research on toxic positivity. What he wrote is not toxic positivity. He's right. This thread has degenerated in to unproductive, baseless complaining, in typical fashion for this forum. I also vote for closing this thread.

edit: god, and I thought eldar players were the whiniest...

Close the thread? The codex isn't even out yet. We still have more waiting and seeing to do!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Looks like TS and DG are not getting T9 Land Raiders as the points for them went down to 245, whereas CSM is at 265. Indicates they aren't going to be FAQ'd for consistency.

Yeah, lame. Same for Vindicators, CSM Vindicators are more expensive than anyone else's. So, I guess no one else's Vindicators get the "new and improved" Demolisher Cannon just yet, either.

But, interestingly, the same is true for Predators. Ours are more expensive than anyone else's. Which begs the question: how did they change Predators?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Well aktsuahly warp talons don't get specials Despite having specials in the box

Sorry! My bad. Thought you said Raptors, not Warp Talons.

Maybe you got confused because warp talons are the guys with the claws ans that unit champ had claws on? (Yes I'm not serious)

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Looks like TS and DG are not getting T9 Land Raiders as the points for them went down to 245, whereas CSM is at 265. Indicates they aren't going to be FAQ'd for consistency.

Yeah, lame. Same for Vindicators, CSM Vindicators are more expensive than anyone else's. So, I guess no one else's Vindicators get the "new and improved" Demolisher Cannon just yet, either.

But, interestingly, the same is true for Predators. Ours are more expensive than anyone else's. Which begs the question: how did they change Predators?

incidentally the SM ALSO don't get a 265 land raider, they still got a 245 one

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Looks like TS and DG are not getting T9 Land Raiders as the points for them went down to 245, whereas CSM is at 265. Indicates they aren't going to be FAQ'd for consistency.

Yeah, lame. Same for Vindicators, CSM Vindicators are more expensive than anyone else's. So, I guess no one else's Vindicators get the "new and improved" Demolisher Cannon just yet, either.

But, interestingly, the same is true for Predators. Ours are more expensive than anyone else's. Which begs the question: how did they change Predators?

incidentally the SM ALSO don't get a 265 land raider, they still got a 245 one

Well, the update needs to happen first. Getting the points increase first would cause a notable negative reaction.

Presumably Predators are getting buffed guns. Could also get the nod for T8.

Voss wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Looks like TS and DG are not getting T9 Land Raiders as the points for them went down to 245, whereas CSM is at 265. Indicates they aren't going to be FAQ'd for consistency.

Yeah, lame. Same for Vindicators, CSM Vindicators are more expensive than anyone else's. So, I guess no one else's Vindicators get the "new and improved" Demolisher Cannon just yet, either.

But, interestingly, the same is true for Predators. Ours are more expensive than anyone else's. Which begs the question: how did they change Predators?

incidentally the SM ALSO don't get a 265 land raider, they still got a 245 one

Well, the update needs to happen first. Getting the points increase first would cause a notable negative reaction.

considering how long csm waited for a second wound, actually no, i think it would've been perfectly fine for SM to wait for a bit

/S

of course i am joking but you get my point i think

 blood reaper wrote:
Combi-Plasmas don't exist for any vehicles anymore - "Because there's no piece in the kit! " snide defenders will say. But yet for whatever reason, the Chaos Terminator Lord can take it - even though his model doesn't have it. He can also take a Combi-Flamer, yet he doesn't have that either. The same goes for the Chaos Sorcerer.

There's that Chaosistency again.

I’m looking forward to using 10 EC chosen in the new buffed land raider it’s a nice niche they have due to being medium infantry that they only take up 1 slot unlike termies and possessed.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes, I'll use all one of my Raptor Champs as a single Talon, who looks nothing like a Warp Talon.

My two jump pack Lords can join him. I'll just 'Counts As' his bolt pistol and Daemonic blade blade on one of them as 'Warp Blades'.

'Counts As' is never the answer. People have every right to hate this absurdly inconsistent change.

 Xyxel wrote:
Please change to name of this thread to : "CSM whining list".
Hardly any rumors here to read.

We're discussing the rumours and leaks.

Just yesterday we got a bunch of new sheets leaked. That was less than 24 hours ago!

What the hell else do you want?

Dont question just consume product.

Can we focus on the CSM instead of having meta discussions about the opinions abouy the product? Most of the last several pages haven't been about the rumors but instead people taking shots at each other.

This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

Chaos Space Marines can't take autocannons now?

EDIT: NM it's now called a Havoc Autocannon

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Combi-Plasmas don't exist for any vehicles anymore - "Because there's no piece in the kit! " snide defenders will say. But yet for whatever reason, the Chaos Terminator Lord can take it - even though his model doesn't have it. He can also take a Combi-Flamer, yet he doesn't have that either. The same goes for the Chaos Sorcerer.

There's that Chaosistency again.

All I can think of when I read this is the end of Sonic when Robotnik is doing "Rock-connaissance ".

They get "Havoc Autocannons" instead, because everything needs to be bespoke, except when it isn't.

The fact there's someone in the thread trying to argue this is better than the 3.5 ed codex proves that, while you won't please a lot of people, you will always somehow please someone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They get "Havoc Autocannons" instead, because everything needs to be bespoke, except when it isn't.

Which is pretty silly since, after Heavy Bolters got buffed, Autocannons could've been argued to be AP-2 anyway.

Just for the haters:
I think its the best CSM codex we ever had!
Im a veteran since 3rd edition and im totaly hyped for all the new options and synergies.
Is it a perfect Codex? No. Is it better then anything we had befor, hell yeah!!!

3.5 was good, but at that time we played with "9 obliterator spam" the "invisible" minor psychic powers, later with "lash" and "invis" for whole units. I dont want those things back!

 blood reaper wrote:
The fact there's someone in the thread trying to argue this is better than the 3.5 ed codex proves that, while you won't please a lot of people, you will always somehow please someone.

Personally I think 3.5 was garbage. The 6th edition codex with the inclusion of the Legion supplement was the correct rules, granted over too many books. It just needed some cleaning up with redundant rules, giving units more defined roles (like Plague Marines vs Chosen vs Chaos Marines in a Death Guard list), and it could've been greatness. Instead, we have two separate codices for Legions when it wasn't even necessary and inconsistent rules throughout.

Badger wrote:Just for the haters:
I think its the best CSM codex we ever had!
Im a veteran since 3rd edition and im totaly hyped for all the new options and synergies.
Is it a perfect Codex? No. Is it better then anything we had befor, hell yeah!!!

3.5 was good, but at that time we played with "9 obliterator spam" the "invisible" minor psychic powers, later with "lash" and "invis" for whole units. I dont want those things back!

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
The fact there's someone in the thread trying to argue this is better than the 3.5 ed codex proves that, while you won't please a lot of people, you will always somehow please someone.

Personally I think 3.5 was garbage. The 6th edition codex with the inclusion of the Legion supplement was the correct rules, granted over too many books. It just needed some cleaning up with redundant rules, giving units more defined roles (like Plague Marines vs Chosen vs Chaos Marines in a Death Guard list), and it could've been greatness. Instead, we have two separate codices for Legions when it wasn't even necessary and inconsistent rules throughout.

You're both mad, 3.5 was the best it's ever been for fluff and options and I will happily die on this hill.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They get "Havoc Autocannons" instead, because everything needs to be bespoke, except when it isn't.

Which is pretty silly since, after Heavy Bolters got buffed, Autocannons could've been argued to be AP-2 anyway.

What? I don't get it. Havoc Autocannon are ap2.

 Badger wrote:
Just for the haters:
I think its the best CSM codex we ever had!
Im a veteran since 3rd edition and im totaly hyped for all the new options and synergies.
Is it a perfect Codex? No. Is it better then anything we had befor, hell yeah!!!

3.5 was good, but at that time we played with "9 obliterator spam" the "invisible" minor psychic powers, later with "lash" and "invis" for whole units. I dont want those things back!

What new options?

 Badger wrote:
Just for the haters:
I think its the best CSM codex we ever had!
Im a veteran since 3rd edition and im totaly hyped for all the new options and synergies.
Is it a perfect Codex? No. Is it better then anything we had befor, hell yeah!!!

3.5 was good, but at that time we played with "9 obliterator spam" the "invisible" minor psychic powers, later with "lash" and "invis" for whole units. I dont want those things back!

This Codex just turned my BL army from usable but not brilliant, to literally unusable. My Terminators, Raptors, and Chosen can't take their modeled equipment anymore, my Exalted Champion seems to have been erased, I've lost my Plague Marines and Berzerkers, and to top it off I can't field my 10-man CSM squads anymore because of the restrictions on Special Weapons.
But sure yeah this Codex is great.

Dudeface wrote:

Badger wrote:Just for the haters:
I think its the best CSM codex we ever had!
Im a veteran since 3rd edition and im totaly hyped for all the new options and synergies.
Is it a perfect Codex? No. Is it better then anything we had befor, hell yeah!!!

3.5 was good, but at that time we played with "9 obliterator spam" the "invisible" minor psychic powers, later with "lash" and "invis" for whole units. I dont want those things back!

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
The fact there's someone in the thread trying to argue this is better than the 3.5 ed codex proves that, while you won't please a lot of people, you will always somehow please someone.

Personally I think 3.5 was garbage. The 6th edition codex with the inclusion of the Legion supplement was the correct rules, granted over too many books. It just needed some cleaning up with redundant rules, giving units more defined roles (like Plague Marines vs Chosen vs Chaos Marines in a Death Guard list), and it could've been greatness. Instead, we have two separate codices for Legions when it wasn't even necessary and inconsistent rules throughout.

You're both mad, 3.5 was the best it's ever been for fluff and options and I will happily die on this hill.

I'm not concerned with the fluff contents of 3.5. Crunch wise, a cleaned up 6th + Legion Supplement was a lot better for creating a Legion to also be YOUR dudes.