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chaos0xomega wrote:
Wouldn't mind new genestealers, but I would think that GW would drop those with the GSC book rather than the nids book.

The current Termagant and Hormagaunt kits are 22 years old this year according to the sprues (says copyright 2000), so hard to say that they have any real life left in them, definitely due for a re-do.

I'm of the opinion at this point that Nids are going to be the enemy faction focus in 10th, which is why we are probably only getting something like a single model and maybe a new kit. Would explain why Nids both got bumped up from the leaked schedule and why we are not getting that large of a refresh.

I'd also happily take a refresh on both Termagant and Hormagaunt kits. Along side the Finecast stuff, they have aged among the worst. The Carnifex kit has aged very well though.

 Sasori wrote:

I'm of the opinion at this point that Nids are going to be the enemy faction focus in 10th, which is why we are probably only getting something like a single model and maybe a new kit. Would explain why Nids both got bumped up from the leaked schedule and why we are not getting that large of a refresh.

Someone was claiming this on the Tyranid Discord last night. I have no idea how trustworthy this source is, but grabbed a screenshot in case any of it gets corroborated or proven in future.


(messages read backwards)

Today's Rumour Engine looks like a good tease of the Parasite of Mortrex or a Shrike kit.

I'll be so surprised if it's Shrikes.

It is more fantasy creature than nids.

Almost assuredly an Age of Sigmar death mini. The rumored parasite/shrike minis wings look entirely different:



The other big giveaway is that the number of holes and raggedness of the wing edge is far and away in excess of anything in the Tyranids model range but right at home with something like the Soulblight Fellbats, but also the size/scaling of those holes would indicate that the wing is fairly small and whatever its attached to probably isn't much larger than a gargoyle proportionally speaking.

Worth mentioning that the preview you're posting is the one said to be the Parasite. Shrikes are not supposed to have been seen yet.

I’m still thinking Jabberslythe for this and last weeks ones.

Looks more chaos demon wing, than a tyranid wing to me. Looks almost exactly like the current bloodthirster wing tbh.

Valkia maybe.

 xttz wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

I'm of the opinion at this point that Nids are going to be the enemy faction focus in 10th, which is why we are probably only getting something like a single model and maybe a new kit. Would explain why Nids both got bumped up from the leaked schedule and why we are not getting that large of a refresh.

Someone was claiming this on the Tyranid Discord last night. I have no idea how trustworthy this source is, but grabbed a screenshot in case any of it gets corroborated or proven in future.


(messages read backwards)

That was my prediction, let's wait and see if it pans out.

my only reliable rumor source (has given me good info in the past) was surprised by that when I brought it up with him. He has heard a little about 10th but not many details (at least not that he was willing to share), said he hasn't heard anything about tyranids with regards to 10th edition and that the timeline to release seemed "agressive" to him.

Also said that tyranids already have a fairly large and modern model range and while theres a few kits that could use resculpts or need to transition to plastic, the new edition launch boxes are mainly seen as an opportunity to *expand* factions rather than resculpt existing ones (then went on to demonstrate that the 8th and 9th ed 40k boxes and all three Age of Sigmar boxes contained almost 100% new minis/units with the exception of plague marines in Dark Imperium and Necron Warriors/Scarabs/Lord in Indomitus, and that this was mostly true with the follow-on kits as well (Lokhust Destroyers and Flayed Ones being the main exceptions here)). Source suggested that Tyranids are fairly well fleshed-out already with a pretty expansive range of models/units already with a solid aesthetic and theme, etc. and are less in need of expansion or design revision than other factions are/were and more in need of having existing stuff updated - which wouldn't make them a great candidate for a launch box.

chaos0xomega wrote:
my only reliable rumor source (has given me good info in the past) was surprised by that when I brought it up with him. He has heard a little about 10th but not many details (at least not that he was willing to share), said he hasn't heard anything about tyranids with regards to 10th edition and that the timeline to release seemed "agressive" to him.

Also said that tyranids already have a fairly large and modern model range and while theres a few kits that could use resculpts or need to transition to plastic, the new edition launch boxes are mainly seen as an opportunity to *expand* factions rather than resculpt existing ones (then went on to demonstrate that the 8th and 9th ed 40k boxes and all three Age of Sigmar boxes contained almost 100% new minis/units with the exception of plague marines in Dark Imperium and Necron Warriors/Scarabs/Lord in Indomitus, and that this was mostly true with the follow-on kits as well (Lokhust Destroyers and Flayed Ones being the main exceptions here)). Source suggested that Tyranids are fairly well fleshed-out already with a pretty expansive range of models/units already with a solid aesthetic and theme, etc. and are less in need of expansion or design revision than other factions are/were and more in need of having existing stuff updated - which wouldn't make them a great candidate for a launch box.

Understood but since starter boxes are almost guaranteed to be marines vs someone, none of the someone factions are that small they're desperate for a massive release, barring maybe harlequins/ynnari.

After losing brood brothers entries I could see GSC needing further expansion.

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
my only reliable rumor source (has given me good info in the past) was surprised by that when I brought it up with him. He has heard a little about 10th but not many details (at least not that he was willing to share), said he hasn't heard anything about tyranids with regards to 10th edition and that the timeline to release seemed "agressive" to him.

Also said that tyranids already have a fairly large and modern model range and while theres a few kits that could use resculpts or need to transition to plastic, the new edition launch boxes are mainly seen as an opportunity to *expand* factions rather than resculpt existing ones (then went on to demonstrate that the 8th and 9th ed 40k boxes and all three Age of Sigmar boxes contained almost 100% new minis/units with the exception of plague marines in Dark Imperium and Necron Warriors/Scarabs/Lord in Indomitus, and that this was mostly true with the follow-on kits as well (Lokhust Destroyers and Flayed Ones being the main exceptions here)). Source suggested that Tyranids are fairly well fleshed-out already with a pretty expansive range of models/units already with a solid aesthetic and theme, etc. and are less in need of expansion or design revision than other factions are/were and more in need of having existing stuff updated - which wouldn't make them a great candidate for a launch box.

Understood but since starter boxes are almost guaranteed to be marines vs someone, none of the someone factions are that small they're desperate for a massive release, barring maybe harlequins/ynnari.

After losing brood brothers entries I could see GSC needing further expansion.

I'll add on that I think the Launch box faction also needs to be a "bad guy" as well, so that limits factions as well. Dark Eldar could use a big range expansion, but I just have a hard time seeing them as the enemy faction face for an entire edition. Which really leaves Chaos and Nids at this point, since Necrons just had it.

This really just boils down to personal speculation, but nids really check a lot of the boxes, and there is near limitless design space with them for new units. They make a compelling Face of the enemy for an edition

 Sasori wrote:


This really just boils down to personal speculation, but nids really check a lot of the boxes, and there is near limitless design space with them for new units. They make a compelling Face of the enemy for an edition

Yeah they could revisit any of the current range as well and evolve it forward - that could be the story arc that new waves of Nids have arrived - evolved Fexes/warriors/Tyrants for example. The could go wild, I'm surprised they haven't started it yet with all the hints of bigger monsters due to eating their greens in Octarius. Its certainly a solid line at the moment but a year down the line .. the Fex arrived in 4th edition .. even new bio weapons/biomorphs are possible..

Tyranids already have some units tripping over each other in terms of offering similar roles/performance. The Carnifex is trapped between Warriors at the cheaper end and a slew of heavy monsters that offer specific higher priced options.

I think it highlights how there is a limit at which you just have to stop adding more models to a specific army before you are just invaliding existing ones.


A range update is a great way to side-step that - giving a bunch of fresh models which wlil still generate lots of sales with existing fans and new fans alike.

Alongside you can add a few new specialist models and hero style models (one per army type deals).



Otherwise you can do things like the Genestealer Cults and splinter off a fragment into their own army to diversify; or start a totally new army.
I hope tyranids avoid the "Primaris" approach of "new things but the same" which honestly I think is a just a relic of Kirby era management plans in the latter years of that management system. I think they "Just" got away with it for Marines, but even there you can feel the creative choke old and the oddity of having two armies that are almost the same but mashed together in some strange form.

If anything tyranids are already too "big" in terms of the chunk of the plastic in many models. Gaunts are very much some of the thickest armed and bodied models despite original designs and ideas being much more, well, gaunt in design. So I'd actually expect to see newer Tyranids if not get overall smaller (in stature) then at least get a bit thinner

 Sasori wrote:
Dark Eldar could use a big range expansion, but I just have a hard time seeing them as the enemy faction face for an entire edition. Which really leaves Chaos and Nids at this point, since Necrons just had it.

They were the enemy half of 3rd's starter set no?

xttz Shouldn't the Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord and Exocrine/Haruspex leaked profiles be in the first post summary?

chaos0xomega wrote:
my only reliable rumor source (has given me good info in the past) was surprised by that when I brought it up with him. He has heard a little about 10th but not many details (at least not that he was willing to share), said he hasn't heard anything about tyranids with regards to 10th edition and that the timeline to release seemed "agressive" to him.

Aggressive? 2023 summer would be 3 years from last which fits gw's recent pattern. No reason to think gw slows succesfull money printing system. Gw doesn't hate money.

yall think too small. The 8th launch box created Death Guard as a standalone faction, no reason a launch box couldn't be a Kroot Mercs army, or Emperors Children, or a massive GSC expansion, or Hrud, or...

 Tyran wrote:
xttz Shouldn't the Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord and Exocrine/Haruspex leaked profiles be in the first post summary?

To be fair, I posted them as confirmation that those we've seen already are indeed legitimate and not photoshops as some people thought.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still thinking Jabberslythe for this and last weeks ones.

Going with this. And when people say the wing is too small for a Jabberslythe... that's sort of the point. It's an amalgamation of mismatched, misproportioned parts.

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
my only reliable rumor source (has given me good info in the past) was surprised by that when I brought it up with him. He has heard a little about 10th but not many details (at least not that he was willing to share), said he hasn't heard anything about tyranids with regards to 10th edition and that the timeline to release seemed "agressive" to him.

Also said that tyranids already have a fairly large and modern model range and while theres a few kits that could use resculpts or need to transition to plastic, the new edition launch boxes are mainly seen as an opportunity to *expand* factions rather than resculpt existing ones (then went on to demonstrate that the 8th and 9th ed 40k boxes and all three Age of Sigmar boxes contained almost 100% new minis/units with the exception of plague marines in Dark Imperium and Necron Warriors/Scarabs/Lord in Indomitus, and that this was mostly true with the follow-on kits as well (Lokhust Destroyers and Flayed Ones being the main exceptions here)). Source suggested that Tyranids are fairly well fleshed-out already with a pretty expansive range of models/units already with a solid aesthetic and theme, etc. and are less in need of expansion or design revision than other factions are/were and more in need of having existing stuff updated - which wouldn't make them a great candidate for a launch box.

Understood but since starter boxes are almost guaranteed to be marines vs someone, none of the someone factions are that small they're desperate for a massive release, barring maybe harlequins/ynnari.

After losing brood brothers entries I could see GSC needing further expansion.

I could see guard replacing SMs for the 10th launch box, maybe introducing Tallarns or Valhallans to fight GSC/EC/whatever.

Nah. GW won't replace marines as poster boys of the game.

Oh, wow, they have all been marines so far, haven't they? I could've sworn at least one of them was Eldar.

 Flipsiders wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
my only reliable rumor source (has given me good info in the past) was surprised by that when I brought it up with him. He has heard a little about 10th but not many details (at least not that he was willing to share), said he hasn't heard anything about tyranids with regards to 10th edition and that the timeline to release seemed "agressive" to him.

Also said that tyranids already have a fairly large and modern model range and while theres a few kits that could use resculpts or need to transition to plastic, the new edition launch boxes are mainly seen as an opportunity to *expand* factions rather than resculpt existing ones (then went on to demonstrate that the 8th and 9th ed 40k boxes and all three Age of Sigmar boxes contained almost 100% new minis/units with the exception of plague marines in Dark Imperium and Necron Warriors/Scarabs/Lord in Indomitus, and that this was mostly true with the follow-on kits as well (Lokhust Destroyers and Flayed Ones being the main exceptions here)). Source suggested that Tyranids are fairly well fleshed-out already with a pretty expansive range of models/units already with a solid aesthetic and theme, etc. and are less in need of expansion or design revision than other factions are/were and more in need of having existing stuff updated - which wouldn't make them a great candidate for a launch box.

Understood but since starter boxes are almost guaranteed to be marines vs someone, none of the someone factions are that small they're desperate for a massive release, barring maybe harlequins/ynnari.

After losing brood brothers entries I could see GSC needing further expansion.

I could see guard replacing SMs for the 10th launch box, maybe introducing Tallarns or Valhallans to fight GSC/EC/whatever.

Oddly that was my gut instinct as well, but they make too much from the flashy marine models not to use marines. Maybe we'll see more than 1 starter box but I doubt it.

 Flipsiders wrote:
Oh, wow, they have all been marines so far, haven't they? I could've sworn at least one of them was Eldar.

Marines vs orks
Marines vs DE
Marines vs Tyranids
Marines vs Orks
Marines vs Chaos
Marines vs Chaos
Marines vs Death Guard
Marines vs Necrons

Always marines. In same way I don't expect AOS to not have stormcast as one side when 4th comes in 2024.

Only FB had variance in starter sets. High elf vs goblins, bretonnia vs lizardmen, empire vs orcs, dwarves vs goblins, high elves vs skaven.

Added some extra details to the OP from recent pages, plus this from Discord yesterday:

A combo with carnifexes ... when fully buffed
Melee carnifex combo: 11 attacks, hitting on 2s, 6s to hit auto-wound and generate an additional hit. S7 ap-3 d3. Can do up to 3+2d3 mortal wounds on the charge
This is best-case scenario of course

I noticed some people talking about zoanthropes earlier and wishing they actually did some damage. Well I have some good news for you: they have a new rule where for each model in the unit you get +1 to cast psychic powers and +1 mortal wound on smites (up to +3 mortal wounds).

Heh, I just bought 4 carnifexes yesterday, with an intention of re-starting my 100% melee focused tyranid army

Based on the "Synaptic Links are not paid upgrades" rumor, I'm theorizing they are going to be our purity army rule (you know, our doctrine).

So that could mean that Carnifex have 5 base attacks, and Scything Talons are indeed 2 hits per attacks, and probably an extra tail attack on top. I wonder if that weapon profile is standard of "buffed", natural S7 (bump from S6) wouldn't be a surprise seeing all the upgrades around, and the rest is the same as of now.

Zoanthrope is one of my favorite unit, so I hope they are good! With +1 MW per models means a 6-strong units would keep the +3 bonus for longer compared to now, and the extra bonus to cast is also great (probably capped too?).