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 insaniak wrote:

Also waiting to see if the plural of 'Theyn' is 'Themn'.

Well played Insaniak, well played. My braid registered "the inn" before coffee kicked in.

It's adorable that the basic NuSquat units will be taken in up to 20 size with those measly stats while the vastly superior guardsman statline is limited to units of 10.

M.

Eh. Unless they have some sort of fearless or combat attrition immunity, why would anyone take them as twenty?
T4 and 4+ with Ld7 is an invitation for more of the unit to just vanish inexplicably.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Also waiting to see if the plural of 'Theyn' is 'Themn'.

Well played Insaniak, well played. My braid registered "the inn" before coffee kicked in.

It's adorable that the basic NuSquat units will be taken in up to 20 size with those measly stats while the vastly superior guardsman statline is limited to units of 10.

M.

Remind me again when Codex: Astra Militarum came out?

Skitarii got bumped to 20 model maximums. This isn't a huge surprise.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Miguelsan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Also waiting to see if the plural of 'Theyn' is 'Themn'.

Well played Insaniak, well played. My braid registered "the inn" before coffee kicked in.

It's adorable that the basic NuSquat units will be taken in up to 20 size with those measly stats while the vastly superior guardsman statline is limited to units of 10.

M.

Remind me again when Codex: Astra Militarum came out?

Skitarii got bumped to 20 model maximums. This isn't a huge surprise.

Sure, October 2017. But since that time GW could have changed it at anytime the same way IG got Hammer of the Emperor, or Cadian conscripts got to use orders, yet GW didn't. Must be because they thing 10 man is the optimal size for those super strong IG.

M.

It's super optimal. Look at all the free stuff they get now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's super optimal. Look at all the free stuff they get now.

Fear the 2 attacks Power Sword sergeant!

M.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Haven't they been calling themselves "Kin" in some of the background stuff? Why not internal consistency? I realize you need something to TM, but how about Hyrtthkin?

Or Hyrthkyn, so they can join the Fyreslyres in the silly use of 'y' in place of vowels.

Modern Games Wyrkshop naming at it's best.

 cuda1179 wrote:

Now that the topic comes up, what do we think the stats for a basic Squat rifle will be? If it's just Bolter stats I'd bed disappointed and confused about why they just didn't model it as a bolter. My best guess? Assault 2, 18 inch range, strength 4, AP-.

That would have been good weapon in 3rd ed. Stat infilation has left that bit of lacking...

Though AoC does compensate for that so maybe now it's not that bad again as -1 AP has become quite weak again.


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 Miguelsan wrote:


Sure, October 2017. But since that time GW could have changed it at anytime the same way IG got Hammer of the Emperor, or Cadian conscripts got to use orders, yet GW didn't. Must be because they thing 10 man is the optimal size for those super strong IG.

M.

Then again 20 strong chaff isn't that hot...Yeah you COULD run them in 20...but you need some pretty good stratagems to make it worth it.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 krijthebold wrote:
Hyrthkyyn would have been better.

Only if we need confirmation that GW hires barely trained monkeys now. But do we need that?

It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times???

I'll be disappointed if a remembrancer isn't quoted saying that in the last Siege of Terra book.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Also waiting to see if the plural of 'Theyn' is 'Themn'.

Well played Insaniak, well played. My braid registered "the inn" before coffee kicked in.

It's adorable that the basic NuSquat units will be taken in up to 20 size with those measly stats while the vastly superior guardsman statline is limited to units of 10.

M.

In game terms Imperial Guard is held back, if you will, by adherence to long established and oft repeated doctrine. If GW felt the need to do anything about squad sizes, I'd expect them to have another look at platoons before they go above ten man squads for normal infantry..

Squats are returning post Chapterhouse with all the Sigmarization that may entail after a long absence that makes sure the overwhelming majority of players doesn't know a thing about them beyond the name. It's not a comparable situation. Squats exist entirely in the 8th ed design framework with no legacy to tie them to less functional or obsolete rule design.

That might even be a good thing. Imagine if GW had given unit and weapon statlines a complete overhaul at the start of 8th ed instead of slowly rolling out bandaids during 9th ed. We might have gotten a better rule set with a solid foundation if they had thought things through from the start. Squats should at least play decently in the environment they are thrown in since they're specifically designed for it, if GW even has the least bit of understanding of how their game works.

 silverstu wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'm confused. We've seen about as much of squats as we have chaos marines at this point. Are squats going to drop much sooner than we think?

Yeah this seems like a lot of info if they aren't coming for 3+months.. I'm thinking soon like June. Would they drop them in a Killteam box? On the one hand I want get my hands on them soon, but having to buy a big box at £100 for one squad would be taxing... Its probably more likely they are going an Army set but I wouldn't put it past them to unveil "and the first chance for you to play with your hearthkyn is in the new Killteam Set .."

Octarius was mid-August, Chalnath was end of October (2.5 months), Nachmund was mid-March (4.5 months) so mid-June would be about the earliest start of the slot for the next KT box, this summer certainly and probably within the 3-month preview window. And, well, flogging 10 squats for 150e with some bonus stuff is what I would do as GW.

N3p3nth3 wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I'm confused. We've seen about as much of squats as we have chaos marines at this point. Are squats going to drop much sooner than we think?

Yeah this seems like a lot of info if they aren't coming for 3+months.. I'm thinking soon like June. Would they drop them in a Killteam box? On the one hand I want get my hands on them soon, but having to buy a big box at £100 for one squad would be taxing... Its probably more likely they are going an Army set but I wouldn't put it past them to unveil "and the first chance for you to play with your hearthkyn is in the new Killteam Set .."

Octarius was mid-August, Chalnath was end of October (2.5 months), Nachmund was mid-March (4.5 months) so mid-June would be about the earliest start of the slot for the next KT box, this summer certainly and probably within the 3-month preview window. And, well, flogging 10 squats for 150e with some bonus stuff is what I would do as GW.

As it's a new range entirely from scratch GW will almost certain split up the first model releases. A KT box alone might be too small to help with that. With the preview timing we're seeing and number of new kits expected for both factions, I'm starting to expect a Shadowspear-style boxed set with CSM vs Squats.

Then once people have had time to paint up their first few hundred points of Squats there's another wave later in the year with the rest of the faction plus a codex.

EightFoldPath wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I recon T4 1W stat line because that's pretty much been vacated by the marines.
Anyone claiming thats not good enough forgets that vast portions of factions run 1w t3 infantry as basic troops...

M5 WS3 BS3 S4 T5 1W 2A 9Ld 3+ Save is my guess.
I could see S3 T4 but don't think Dwarves would like being less tough than Orks.
I could also see 2Ws on the first statline, as they go for an elite technological army.
The more like Space Marines they are, the more they will probably sell.
A Xenos Space Marine faction would seem like a good money maker.

Not a bad guess, got 6 right 3 wrong! Out by a pip of T, Ld and Sv. Argive was right on the vacated Space Marine stat line.

Overall they feel a bit Tau-ey in stats. Love the ancestor computers, I really hope we get a giant floating head model the size of a monolith.

The only thing I don't like is the 2A seems odd to give these guys the same basic attacks stat line as a primaris marine..

Heaven forbid that the precious primaris marines don't have a monopoly on a good stat. I guess no other troop should have the same strength or toughness either.

I think it looks interesting. Not enough info yet, but it looks like they may be carving out a unique faction profile. If so, I'm in.

New hover trike is up on the warhammer community site.
Not sure how I feel about it

punisher357 wrote:
New hover trike is up on the warhammer community site.
Not sure how I feel about it

I’m not sure I like it in isolation. As in, as a single model for 40K.

I think (hope?) that’ll change when we see it in the greater context of the full Squat army.

Particularly it’s “NHS Crockery Blue” hull colour!

It's interesting that they decided not to reveal the rest of the basic squad

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's interesting that they decided not to reveal the rest of the basic squad

I’m mildly disappointed we didn’t see more to be honest. But I guess we can conclude Squats are at least 3 or so months away?

It looks like a hover street sweeper, the circular disc as a-grav lift for the bike is not a good design choice.

Also, is that a goliath stub cannon she's holding

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's interesting that they decided not to reveal the rest of the basic squad

Not entirely impossible that they're one of the kill teams on Friday. KT as a fore-runner to a proper release seems to be a thing (and is quite sensible from a business perspective, gauge level of interest with a smaller release)

I like the bike. It's got a "bulky trike" feel to it, and it's clearly not a knock-off of any of the other races. It looks like a combat vehicle. It makes me hopeful for the larger League vehicle designs.

KillerAngel wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s the worst spelling of Thane I can imagine

And Thane is the worse spelling of Thegn I can imagine.

...are you married yet..?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's interesting that they decided not to reveal the rest of the basic squad

I’m mildly disappointed we didn’t see more to be honest. But I guess we can conclude Squats are at least 3 or so months away?

I feel the same. We still lack the overall design view on the Kin as an army. As much as I appreciate the vehicle with the female scout it does not bring a clear design context on its own.

I was hopeful for the trikes/bikes and my hope was the first step on the road to damnation.

I'll just continue with my KO Squats.

I like the trike, it's a clever aesthetic choice. It has early imperial vibes, similar to the castellan robots. But then it has diverged to it's own thing. That is what I want from new squats. I hope for a helmet. The rider is a bit meh.

Chopstick wrote:
It looks like a hover street sweeper, the circular disc as a-grav lift for the bike is not a good design choice.

Also, is that a goliath stub cannon she's holding

Nah, not a street sweeper:

https://www.lidl.de/p/philips-rotationsrasierer-s1131-41-mit-27-selbstscharfenden-klingen/p100342397?mktc=shopping_shop&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyMiTBhDKARIsAAJ-9VtXDEsVw4wHY-rC1kqGW0c0zKauXmLBOr7zusAoJVG_b3RWbRYAzloaAkUnEALw_wcB

Glad they got a trike even if i don't really like it

(maybe painted so the driver doesn't meld with the trike so much may help?)

armor on the trike gives me vibes of Man of Iron from blackstone Fortress in it's shapes, as say compared to mechanicus robots.

Catulle wrote:

KillerAngel wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s the worst spelling of Thane I can imagine

And Thane is the worse spelling of Thegn I can imagine.

...are you married yet..?

Wut

KillerAngel wrote:

Catulle wrote:

KillerAngel wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
That’s the worst spelling of Thane I can imagine

And Thane is the worse spelling of Thegn I can imagine.

...are you married yet..?

Wut

Bro they askin if you single

Badly proportioned body with a Gnomes head on a Norelco Electric Razor.