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Well I'm callin' 'em "Irynkyn".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well I'm callin' 'em "Irynkyn".

Do you think they drink Irynbryw?

Is there any other drink?

 cuda1179 wrote:
Perhaps the Ironkin are just strait up-lied about. The imperium itself is NOT opposed to extreme bionics. Some space marines have had every limb replaced and are still battle brothers, not to mention Dreadnoughts.

If I were a Squat and had to explain an Ironkin I'd say, "Oh, Bob, yeah, he took a meltabomb to the chest and had all the right connections for super-bionics. Nothing to see here."

Yeah, and then they look at it from the side, and want an explanation for Bob's (or rather, Roberta's)... head. 'Cause that definitely looks like a head. Not any other part of human anatomy. At all.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well I'm callin' 'em "Irynkyn".

Do you think they drink Irynbryw?

Thanks to you it just became a legal requirement to paint their aprons with tartan

 Baragash wrote:
Thanks to you it just became a legal requirement to paint their aprons with tartan

With Tyrtyn, thankyouvermuch!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Baragash wrote:
Thanks to you it just became a legal requirement to paint their aprons with tartan

With Tyrtyn, thankyouvermuch!

Huumyr, apparently.

 silverstu wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Given the loadout and what they mention in the article, I think we may only get a few of these guys sprinkled around the army. There could be a unit of them, but I think they're just the servitors/dark acolytes/grot orderly/ammo runt equivalent for squats. Something that tags along with a character, maybe has some attacks, but mostly soaks up damage and provides buffs.

Yep- I'm wondering if they appear within regular kin units or have units of their own. This guy clearly works beside a master engineer [Brôkhyr Iron-masters] and there at least 2 rumour engines that point to more of these models - maybe set of a Brôkhyr Iron-master and 2 ironkin [as opposed to servitors]. They are a bit like the forge assistant in the old Anvil of Doom.

I like how combat pilots are mentioned, suggesting possible aircraft, there being larger COG robots[ [walker kit?] as well as shock troops and I wonder if they are the combat medics as well. It makes the faction very distinct having AI robots throughout the force.

Which other rumour engine pictures are you referring to?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:


Which other rumour engine pictures are you referring to?

There is the recent one with two mechanical arms with 3 fingers like the ironkin [maybe a special character?]. https://warbosskurgan.blogspot.com/p/rumour-engines.html#2022-05-17

This one with similar hoses - thinking its the Brokhyr Iron master. https://warbosskurgan.blogspot.com/p/rumour-engines.html#2021-06-29


As an aside - does anyone remember the old Ork tinboyz ? They were pretty funny - especially the eldar one, there was a squat version too - something of a distant relation to these guys maybe..

 Baragash wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well I'm callin' 'em "Irynkyn".

Do you think they drink Irynbryw?

Thanks to you it just became a legal requirement to paint their aprons with tartan

Orange and blue will do nicely thanks

Voss wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Also, since Navigators are basically lifted from Dune and in Dune they are ultimately replaced by machines that calculated their flight path, I'd be fine with machines calculating it for the squats.

Great. So now you need to explain why tau, eldar and especially necrons are complete feth-wits.

In the case of the Tau, some idiot in R&D locked all their resources into GIANT MECHA instead of, you know, continuing developing their warp tech and/or aircraft...

Well yeah but have you watched anime? one day the Tau are going to have giant mecha the size of the universe that runs on the power of love and it is going to fistfight the Chaos Gods.

 Tyran wrote:
Well yeah but have you watched anime?

No, for I am a gentleman of taste and discretion.

 Tyran wrote:
one day the Tau are going to have giant mecha the size of the universe that runs on the power of love and it is going to fistfight the Chaos Gods.

At the rate their fanboy designer in the Studio is going, you're probably not wrong - unfortunately.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Well yeah but have you watched anime?

No, for I am a gentleman of taste and discretion.

 Tyran wrote:
one day the Tau are going to have giant mecha the size of the universe that runs on the power of love and it is going to fistfight the Chaos Gods.

At the rate their fanboy designer in the Studio is going, you're probably not wrong - unfortunately.

I mean look at what Kelly did with Kais LOL

Honestly I'm surprised people would think Admech would be able to unite well enough to gather Squat tech. We've seen how Admech has it's quirks that means you would never get the entire Admech after you. Small groups led by someone powerful maybe but nothing on par with someone bringing forth the entire Admech armory to bear with full Titans since it's often difficult to get them to agree on how tech is and should be worshipped, let alone gathering it.

We've also seen that Admech, much like inquisition has been told to feth off when they don't have the power to really do something about it. So maybe a Tech-priest here and there thinks they can bully up and get some tech for themselves. Only to find themselves scrapped into a graveyard.

But how hard is it really to scavenge the remains of busted robots. Necrons get around that by being magical teleporty beasties, but given the general level of danger In The galaxy, a wee admech party just needs to lurk for a bit the swoop in and gather remains. Sounds like a rather nice background for a narrative campaign

 Geifer wrote:

Yeah, I find it hard to believe that Aiyernkyn have been around for thousands of years and no one in the Adeptus Mechanicus ever got any funny ideas.

Dunno, this guy looks pretty shifty...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/991412-.html

 Flinty wrote:
But how hard is it really to scavenge the remains of busted robots. Necrons get around that by being magical teleporty beasties, but given the general level of danger In The galaxy, a wee admech party just needs to lurk for a bit the swoop in and gather remains. Sounds like a rather nice background for a narrative campaign

Even if an Admech party did recover the remains, and the Kin didn't recover them the information they recovered would have to get to the right poeple to have any impact in the setting. It could be lost in the piles of data, locked away in storage etc..
I imagine the Kin would go to great lengths to the recover the bodies of the fallen, plus we don't know how long the Leagues have been present in the setting - wether they have always been there or have returned somehow. The first mention of them was an explorator ship which was shocked to meet one of their vessels so they may not have been interacting with the imperium much. Plus that ship was held in a gravity weapon.. maybe the Kin were recovering something the Imperials shouldn't have..

Sooner or later the Kin would lose a battle against the Imperium, and not be in a position to recover the bodies. It's probably happened quite a few times. It's been 10,000 years, after all.

However, recovering the bodies/parts and actually making sense of the parts are two different things - particularly when the parts that you're working with are broken beyond repair (which is why the Ad Mech would be able to get its manipulators on them in the first place). Likely all that they'd be able to tell is that, "The Kin have some sort of mechanical servitor with cogitators that aren't compatible with ours. We can see what appears to be some common design elements, but they've diverged in a wildly different direction than our own designs have. We can't make heads or tails of what we're looking at."

Not impossible that a dying ironkin might have an option to destroy their thinking engine beyond recovery. Assuming they aren’t “dying” because of a shot to the brain case in the first place of course, but that would probably make the whole thing moot.

Or, y’know, this whole thing is part of why they’ve been running silent for the last however many centuries and they’re only back because the tech priest that discovered the truth has died of perfectly natural causes and his notes mysteriously erased themselves…

I can't help but think that while all those maybes people bring up may be valid in isolation, it's missing the point of the setting that coined the term grimdark pretty hard if Squats and their AI BFFs don't fail at keeping the whole thing hush hush in spite of their best efforts. Especially since they embody themes that are counter to the general tone of 40k.

It may all just be marketing articles and the codex is more nuanced* about it, but the fluff previews so far seem pretty catastrophic to me.




*Nuance and GW don't go together, but the road to disappointment needs treading.

 Geifer wrote:
I can't help but think that while all those maybes people bring up may be valid in isolation, it's missing the point of the setting that coined the term grimdark pretty hard if Squats and their AI BFFs don't fail at keeping the whole thing hush hush in spite of their best efforts. Especially since they embody themes that are counter to the general tone of 40k.

It may all just be marketing articles and the codex is more nuanced* about it, but the fluff previews so far seem pretty catastrophic to me.




*Nuance and GW don't go together, but the road to disappointment needs treading.

I don't really agree with it missing the grimdark aspect if the Imperium doesn't find out. If it's the Kin being extremely isolated and secretive to the point they distrust anyone but themselves, that has all sorts of powerful advanced tech but can't use them depending on the situation and has to evaluate the risks all the time, that decides to resort to extreme measures to try and ensure that the Mechanicus doesn't finds out about (i.e. wiping out their own forces if going to lose), let alone gets hold of their stuff, that lives in constant fear of being found out and somehow just narrowly avoids doing so is something that by itself would be dark. It doesn't need the Mechanicus actually finding out in order to be so.

Eumerin wrote:
Sooner or later the Kin would lose a battle against the Imperium, and not be in a position to recover the bodies. It's probably happened quite a few times. It's been 10,000 years, after all.

However, recovering the bodies/parts and actually making sense of the parts are two different things - particularly when the parts that you're working with are broken beyond repair (which is why the Ad Mech would be able to get its manipulators on them in the first place). Likely all that they'd be able to tell is that, "The Kin have some sort of mechanical servitor with cogitators that aren't compatible with ours. We can see what appears to be some common design elements, but they've diverged in a wildly different direction than our own designs have. We can't make heads or tails of what we're looking at."

Which is the problem. 'They've diverged from our designs' _is_ tech heresy to the Ad Mech.
That it also may be AI (because it is), and they can't tell, would ramp fervor up to 11.

Unfamiliar scraps of machines are their whole obsession.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I don't really agree with it missing the grimdark aspect if the Imperium doesn't find out. If it's the Kin being extremely isolated and secretive to the point they distrust anyone but themselves, that has all sorts of powerful advanced tech but can't use them depending on the situation and has to evaluate the risks all the time, that decides to resort to extreme measures to try and ensure that the Mechanicus doesn't finds out about (i.e. wiping out their own forces if going to lose), let alone gets hold of their stuff, that lives in constant fear of being found out and somehow just narrowly avoids doing so is something that by itself would be dark. It doesn't need the Mechanicus actually finding out in order to be so.

That's a direction in which GW could take them, but I'm not getting that impression from the articles we have so far. It seems that the only problem to which the Squats don't have a solution to hand is the slow decay of their computer gods. On macro level that may put them right beside the besieged and declining Imperium and the dying Eldar race. But just like the Imperium always has the forces and (lately oftentimes newly invented) gadgets to pull off their famed Pyrrhic victories that keep missing the Pyrrhic part and always more space elves following the ones that tragically sacrificed themselves, I don't expect an overarching existential threat to Squatkind to impact how their stories play out. So while there is potential to fit them into their own grimdark niche even without the Mechanicus finding out about Aiyernkyn, I have no reason to believe that GW is actually going to do that. Instead they'll get to use all their toys and look awesome doing it, and any repercussions are either mentioned and not followed up on or deus exed out of existence.

Like I said, I hope I'll be proven wrong, but I'm definitely not going to believe it before I see it. There is no reason to give GW's writers the benefit of the doubt.

Well it hasn't been established if the Leagues have been in the present setting for the last 10,000 years or if they are returning. Plus they seem to be pretty isolationist - they aren't sharing their tech freely with humanity. Their guiding "gods" , the Votann have become ore distant/irratic and they are bred into their role in Votann society. doesn't sound all happy skippy to me. Plus if everything is super grim -where is the contrast?
At this stage though we have seen 3 individual models and a few bits of lore- a bit early to panic, but of course that's the Dakka way..
Personally I'm loving the sound of everything, I just hope they don't do the whole "dying race" thing- its pretty tedious..

Another article in the Ironhead Prospectors: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/10/necromundas-squat-prospectors-provide-yet-another-reason-not-to-go-outside/

A few small bits of lore there.

It sounds like the Leagues have been active enough in the Millennia since the end of the Horus Heresy when the Ironheads left to at least have had a small amount of contact with them on Necromunda (as it says "minimal", implying there's still been some).

These Squats are making use of Land Trains. So probably not getting any for the Leagues themselves.

Basic members of the group are called "Drill-kyn" so it seems they might refer to themselves as "Kyn" (which i think would have been a better spelling than just "kin")

And they have usual long-lived Dwarf aspect with them living for hundreds of years.

Voss wrote:


Which is the problem. 'They've diverged from our designs' _is_ tech heresy to the Ad Mech.
That it also may be AI (because it is), and they can't tell, would ramp fervor up to 11.

Unfamiliar scraps of machines are their whole obsession.

And what are they going to do about it?

"Primarch Guilliman! Primarch Guilliman!"

"What is it?"

"We need to launch an immediate invasion of the Kyn worlds! It's possible that they've modified The Holy Omnissiah's technology!"

*pause*

"Guards! Get this cog-boy out of my chambers! In fact, get him out of this sector!"

The AdMech would care. No one else would. And it would only be those members of the AdMech that pay attention to the kyn, instead of - for example - the AdMech members that are *certain* that if they just get their hands on another half-dozen intact Starcannons (ignore the last fifty that they somehow obtained and then ruined while examining), that they'll finally figure out the Eldar secrets of plasma technology! There's likely the occasional raid. But the Imperium as a whole would probably be interested in keeping the inevitable conflict with the Squats on the back burner until the more actively hostile enemies, such as the Tyranids, Orks, and Chaos, have been dealt with.

I'm curious if the Land Train might be a modular kit. Like, there's a base engine, then different cars you can buy and 'attach' to it.

This is it- The Kin are outside the Imperium, allied with it but thats it. The Ad Mech have no authority, the Kin would give zero Fecks what the Ad Mech think and probably meet any enquiries with a Ion Blaster pointed at the face. The Leagues are clearly as a strong as any of the Xenos Factions, they are outside the Imperium because they are too powerful to be overcome and the Imperium has more pressing things to deal with. The Ad Mech can do sod all , they aren't all powerful so all the hand wringing about "but the Ad Mech.." is pretty pointless.


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Anvildude wrote:
I'm curious if the Land Train might be a modular kit. Like, there's a base engine, then different cars you can buy and 'attach' to it.

Well the latest Necromunda fluff has the squats living on the Land Trains so they must be massive moving communities - more like a setting for a battle rather than a game useable war machine. They will probably stay with the Squats and the Leagues will have other things. The Land Fortress could maybe have rules allowing them to combine in some way, you never know. I imagine there will be a transport option and a big weapon option [perhaps a mix of both].

Well we don't technically know if the Leagues will be considered too strong to mess with

the squats were (plus they had the comes from human stock bonus that also kept the ogryn and ratlings alive) but they've lost their home systems and those populations

With all the great rift/imperium coming apart/primeris crusade stuff i'm sure they'll be down the list but we might expect the imperium to try a few accidental fights to check their current strength