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I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with double-barrelled weapons - and I think most of the Squat guns look pretty cool - but I have to draw the line at the revolver. How is the top barrel being fed?
Those Ironhead Prospectors definitely look better with a different paint scheme than GW choose.
I still have absolutely no idea how their double barrel weapon work. Isn't that an ejection port for casings on the other side, which a revolver doesn't need?
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Being charitable you could say it was like a single shot additional barrel for adding special ammo… but that turns it into a combo weapon rather than a double barrelled revolver. I just don’t like the weapon style which is a shame as I quite like the rest of the models.
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Look, at least that was actually a thing once or twice, historically speaking.
Was also a thing in Devil May Cry.
The problem though isn't the second barrel, the problem is that the cylinder isn't aligned with the top barrel.
Like, do the bullets magically teleport upwards? Is there a second magazine that feeds into the top barrel?
If they just copied the Blue Rose I'd get it, but the current design? A bit awkward looking.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with double-barrelled weapons - and I think most of the Squat guns look pretty cool - but I have to draw the line at the revolver. How is the top barrel being fed?
looks like a single shot to me, similar to the LeMat revolver of 1856 which had a single shot large barrel (for buckshot), plus a revolver cylinder for 'normal' shooting firing through a smaller barrel(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeMat_Revolver)
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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GaroRobe wrote: I feel like my liking of the squats will go up a loooot when people get their hands on them, and give them a better paint scheme.
I mean, just look at how much better this necromunda squat looks. I actually want to get them now
Spoiler:
Who painted that one, Garorobe?
Harley Joseph Brown (HjosephP, hjoseph_painting)
Thanks for that, JWBS - always a good move to give proper credit for these things.
Purely on the basis of that photo of a different pose and colour scheme I ordered a box today. I'd put it off because I didn't think the Necromunda ones looked brill. But I've a mind for something now.
Look, at least that was actually a thing once or twice, historically speaking.
There is currently a double barreled revolver being manufactured. It's side by side though. Each barrel fires a round from the cylinder simultaneously. Three trigger pulls gives 6shots.
The problem though isn't the second barrel, the problem is that the cylinder isn't aligned with the top barrel.
Like, do the bullets magically teleport upwards? Is there a second magazine that feeds into the top barrel?
it does not need to align with the barrel because it is not a revolver drum you are seeing but a drum magazin that feeds both barrels
or why do you think the gun has an eject port, not because it is a revolver
you were just mislead by the look of the drum magazine, everything is fine here.....
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The problem though isn't the second barrel, the problem is that the cylinder isn't aligned with the top barrel.
Like, do the bullets magically teleport upwards? Is there a second magazine that feeds into the top barrel?
it does not need to align with the barrel because it is not a revolver drum you are seeing but a drum magazin that feeds both barrels
or why do you think the gun has an eject port, not because it is a revolver
you were just mislead by the look of the drum magazine, everything is fine here.....
The other types shown on the models are just drum magazines, but aren't the grooves on the side of the cylinder of the one shown on the previous page something to do with revolvers?
Games Workshop designers either don't understand weapons at all beyond a basic cargo-cult level, or they intentionally make most of their designs terrible as a joke.
The problem though isn't the second barrel, the problem is that the cylinder isn't aligned with the top barrel. Like, do the bullets magically teleport upwards? Is there a second magazine that feeds into the top barrel?
it does not need to align with the barrel because it is not a revolver drum you are seeing but a drum magazin that feeds both barrels
or why do you think the gun has an eject port, not because it is a revolver you were just mislead by the look of the drum magazine, everything is fine here.....
Ok, but aren't drum magazines situated outside of the weapon, rather than inside? I don't see how the drum is feeding bullets into both barrels.
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Agamemnon2 wrote: Games Workshop designers either don't understand weapons at all beyond a basic cargo-cult level, or they intentionally make most of their designs terrible as a joke.
Six of one, half dozen of the other?
It’s certainly a distinctive style. And solely a poser, and not a conclusion? Is it better to pretend you know how guns works, or to just go for what’s cool in your head?
Please note this isn’t me defending owt. I’ve no opinion either way.
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Agamemnon2 wrote: Games Workshop designers either don't understand weapons at all beyond a basic cargo-cult level, or they intentionally make most of their designs terrible as a joke.
Six of one, half dozen of the other?
It’s certainly a distinctive style. And solely a poser, and not a conclusion? Is it better to pretend you know how guns works, or to just go for what’s cool in your head?
Please note this isn’t me defending owt. I’ve no opinion either way.
"Six and two threes" is the formulation of that idiom where I'm from (I know the one you use here is the standard saying but I always liked this other version a lot more, it just rolls off the tongue so much better. The syllables, the cadence, it's just superior in every way).
There's been all sorts of experimentation with guns in the few years guns have been a thing. In 40,000 years I'm sure a few new ideas and ways of manufacturing weaponry to fire through multiple barrels at once or indeed alternate between them really shouldn't be a such a difficult concept to accept.
40,000 years ago multiple hominin species still lived on Earth, a lot can happen in that time frame.
It’s the uncanny valley problem though. If they made stuf that looks just like what we have today, it’s easy enou fun tianccept. The classics never go out of style. If instead they do something that is totally out there, then also fine. What they have is something the has familiar elements, it if you look a bit closer just don’t fit together in a logical manner and it bugs me. The positioning of the ejection ports, magazines/drums/cylinders/clips/whatevers and the barrels just don’t line up when they really should. Mechanical elegance is a thing as well.
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Mr_Rose wrote: Look, at least that was actually a thing once or twice, historically speaking.
I knew someone was going to post this. Yes, multi-barrel revolvers have existed. There are even triple barrelled shotguns and all sorts of weird combi-weapons. I know that already.
But this double barrelled revolver doesn't have anything aligned with the top barrel, so, like I said a few posts ago: How is the top barrel being fed?
Mr_Rose wrote: Look, at least that was actually a thing once or twice, historically speaking.
I knew someone was going to post this. Yes, multi-barrel revolvers have existed. There are even triple barrelled shotguns and all sorts of weird combi-weapons. I know that already.
But this double barrelled revolver doesn't have anything aligned with the top barrel, so, like I said a few posts ago: How is the top barrel being fed?
‘Tis in fact all a cunning ruse. Neither barrel is real; the weapon simply teleports a primed micro grenade into the target. No need for messy powder charges, and you can make it look however you want on the outside.
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Mr_Rose wrote: Look, at least that was actually a thing once or twice, historically speaking.
I knew someone was going to post this. Yes, multi-barrel revolvers have existed. There are even triple barrelled shotguns and all sorts of weird combi-weapons. I know that already.
But this double barrelled revolver doesn't have anything aligned with the top barrel, so, like I said a few posts ago: How is the top barrel being fed?
‘Tis in fact all a cunning ruse. Neither barrel is real; the weapon simply teleports a primed micro grenade into the target. No need for messy powder charges, and you can make it look however you want on the outside.
There's been all sorts of experimentation with guns in the few years guns have been a thing. In 40,000 years I'm sure a few new ideas and ways of manufacturing weaponry to fire through multiple barrels at once or indeed alternate between them really shouldn't be a such a difficult concept to accept.
That's a weird approach to the argument. Multiple barrels exist on multiple 40k weapons.
Its just that usually, the firing chamber is at least vaguely aligned with the barrel (or obscured so you can't really see it).
On these, repeatedly on both squat and Votann models, the barrels and firing chambers just visibly don't line up and are painted to actually stand out. It doesn't take expert knowledge or second guessing. They're just visibly wrong.