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Hi,

Just seen the Warhammer Community preview showing that CSM will be getting 2 wounds, 3 attacks, a two handed chain axe and a sorcerer upgrade.

If you had to bet everything you had on ONE other new thing in the up coming codex what would it be?

Solidly mid-tier, FAQ'd in the first month?

I guess that's not really new though.

The last vestiges of hope I have for 40k leaving my body and drifting into the aether to be consumed by laughing gods.
Oh, right uh... Legionaries suffering from the Kommandos and Plague Marine curse.

A new Night Lords upgrade kit?

I'll be interested to see what Renegade Chapters are kept in the book. SM have their 9 First Foundings then 3 Second Foundings and, IIRC, CSM would be 7 Legions and 5 Renegade Chapters. Unless of course EC and WE are out then it's 5 and 5.

Do you want serious suggestions, or silly suggestions? SM Land Raiders to go to T9/20W in an FAQ immediately after the book lands, no upgrade for Chaos Land Raiders?

mrFickle wrote:
Hi,

Just seen the Warhammer Community preview showing that CSM will be getting 2 wounds, 3 attacks, a two handed chain axe and a sorcerer upgrade.

If you had to bet everything you had on ONE other new thing in the up coming codex what would it be?

Lord of Skulls will be good.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
Solidly mid-tier, FAQ'd in the first month?

New codices/battletomes are scheduled to receive their initial FAQ four weeks after release (previously it was two weeks). From Warhammer Community:

A note about FAQs: We’ll be publishing the first FAQ for new battletomes and codexes four weeks after the book arrives, instead of two, moving forward. This gives the Studio team a little more time to collect feedback and make sure they’re not missing anything. This includes the new Space Marines and Necrons codexes.

 Ghaz wrote:
New codices/battletomes are scheduled to receive their initial FAQ four weeks after release (previously it was two weeks).

Yes, you are correct.

It was a joke.

Only Orks get nerfed faster than CSM.

New Primaris Lieutenant, obviously.

Reliable sources mentioned the introductions of plenty new dinobots:

- Stegosaurus
- Ankylosaurus

mrFickle wrote:
...If you had to bet everything you had on ONE other new thing in the up coming codex what would it be?

Day 0 FAQ to give all Space Marine infantry +1 wound.

Since this is a high risk bet, I am going to say with certainty that the new Codex: Chaos Space Marine book will feature the newer basic Troop CSM, Havocs and Abaddon models in its photographs compared to the codex I am currently using.

Come on guys, we were promised a bumper year for chaos in 2022, whys everyone being so salty.

We can at least expect new noise marines

Well, what do you want from us? Our hopes for what's in the codex? That's not exactly what your OP says. And you should know that Dakka is a little persnickety.

What I hope is in the new CSM is more flavorful Legion traits and custom warband builder at least as good as the loyalist one.

As for actual rules, I've been playing CSM long enough to accept the rules are what they are and work with the hand I was dealt. Wish listing mostly just leads to disappointment.

 waefre_1 wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
...If you had to bet everything you had on ONE other new thing in the up coming codex what would it be?

Day 0 FAQ to give all Space Marine infantry +1 wound.

Exalted

Retirement of the HERETIC ASTARTES keyword and replacement by a new CHAOTIC ASTARTES keyword, which is exactly the same expect it stops them getting Armour of Contempt.

Pass. I don't gamble with more than I can afford to lose.

 Strg Alt wrote:
Reliable sources mentioned the introductions of plenty new dinobots:

- Stegosaurus
- Ankylosaurus

I unironically want another Dinobot and one that's a transport.

 waefre_1 wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
...If you had to bet everything you had on ONE other new thing in the up coming codex what would it be?

Day 0 FAQ to give all Space Marine infantry +1 wound.

You joke, but... I can absolutely see a FAQ/dataslate for a bonus attack to bring Old Marines up to par with the new chaos stat-line and Primaris back in the lead.
And then when the SM 9.5 codex hits, they'll lose shock assault and be set to 3 attacks and 4 attacks for primaris.



For Chaos...well, since the chaincannon is now on the KT sprue for basic troopers, and not just scavenged from Havocs, I see a 0-1 cap on chaincannons for basic chaos marines..

mrFickle wrote:

We can at least expect new noise marines

Hmm. Nope. I don't expect NM until the EC standalone codex. I think we would have seen or heard something by now if they were coming.

The Lord Discordant, Hellbrute, and Venomcrawler will be the only vehicles given the Core keyword.

I bet a friend $5 that Chaos Lord options will be gutted and they won't be able to take jump packs anymore.

It is a bet I would be extremely happy to lose.

Even more spikes

 waefre_1 wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
...If you had to bet everything you had on ONE other new thing in the up coming codex what would it be?

Day 0 FAQ to give all Space Marine infantry +1 wound.

Brutal. Just brutal.

I expect killer crusade content- probably a path to becoming a champion- possibly multiple paths depending upon the specific god.

I hope for (but don't expect) ways for different chaos factions and subfactions to soup up at least as easily as eldar do, and hopefully easier, though this may come in a campaign book and not the core dex.

Given the reveal of undivided traits existing for chaos knights, I think there will be at least some of that in the dex as well.

I expect upgrades for characters- a dark mirror to chapter masters, master chaplains, apothecaries etc. You can pay for them in matched with points or PL, but if you crusade, they'll be earned.

That's as far as I'm willing to speculate. Satisfaction is all about managing expectations.

I expect a combined Adeptus/Hereticus book

It will include generic daemons for summoning / army inclusion that are meant to be rather bland and uninteresting and boring but will unironically be better than Codex: Chaos Daemons.

Voss wrote:

 waefre_1 wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
...If you had to bet everything you had on ONE other new thing in the up coming codex what would it be?

Day 0 FAQ to give all Space Marine infantry +1 wound.

You joke, but... I can absolutely see a FAQ/dataslate for a bonus attack to bring Old Marines up to par with the new chaos stat-line and Primaris back in the lead.
And then when the SM 9.5 codex hits, they'll lose shock assault and be set to 3 attacks and 4 attacks for primaris.

Yeah, I expect that as well. They're not going to allow CSM to be "better" than loyalists for very long.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
Reliable sources mentioned the introductions of plenty new dinobots:

- Stegosaurus
- Ankylosaurus

I unironically want another Dinobot and one that's a transport.

We do need some daemon engines that fill other roles, but I'd rather see one that functions as artillery, as indirect fire is something Chaos currently lacks. And you just know that if they make a daemon engine transport, they'll stick it with the old "it eats some of your dudes" rule.

Arcanis161 wrote:The Lord Discordant, Hellbrute, and Venomcrawler will be the only vehicles given the Core keyword.

Probably just Hellbrutes. Disco Lords are characters, and they didn't give CORE to any of the daemon engines in the Death Guard and Thousand Sons codexes.

All actual CSMs are overpriced except for criminally undercosted Venom Crawlers that can be taken in squadrons and absolutely warp the meta in every single way until GW releases the next Balance Dataslate

All Daemon units will be included in the Codex and there won't be a Codex: Chaos Daemons after it.